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Tomorrow! Tomorrow! New season tomorrow! You're only a day away!

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I caught The Usual Suspects on last night, and noticed the dude who plays Coulson was in it.


I can't wait as well.


Gonna be an interesting season I think.

I can kind of get where Daisy is coming from right now. There was an interview with the actress that touched on it really nicely.
After she got freed from Hive and then ran into him again, she caved. She wanted back into the "Hive Mind" She only ended up fighting him when it became clear she couldn't rejoin him. She dosen't trust herself to be in the group anymore. She knows what she did when Hive had her and she knows she was willing to go back to it. She is feeling a ton of guilt right now for all of it.

Enter Ghost Rider
What dose the Ghost Rider do to the guilty?

Plus I just gotta see the moment Mack sees the Rider, and the Car.


Grey,

Yeah Mack and the Car will be pretty awesome.

As for Daisy...she's in a bad place but I think she'll get back to where she was before this...maybe by the end.

What I'm wondering is where does LMDs, AIDA and even the rumor of a certain Human Fireman being in this...

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certain Human Fireman?


Hama,

The original Human Torch alright. I just didn't want to say it out loud and then be proven wrong.

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I'm actually looking forward to Coulson seeing the car and being jealous that he no longer has the coolest car around. Poor Lola.


Eh. I think he'll be fine. It's Mac that will be drooling, Joel.


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I enjoyed the episode. Good set up and good performances all around. Love the Jemma/May confrontation as they lay their respective possitions on the table.

Ghost Rider/ Robbie was good. Feels right and the Rider effects weren't bad. Can't wait to see more


Grey,

I look forward to seeing this episode myself.

Also I think they chose the RIGHT Ghost Rider for this show. Mainly because Robbie isn't as all-mightily powerful as Danny or Johnny can be.

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Interesting.....

Spoiler:
I loved the LMD stuff between Fitz and Radcliffe. Two excellent actors, with some great, old school comic stuff.

Ghost Rider was...a bit more murderous. Still, I think they pulled off the look well enough. And the fear. The way there playing it, though, Robbie and GR don't have much difference between them. It's like the later times of Danny Ketch GR, when Danny had embraced it and even begun to enjoy it. I'd still prefer the bike to the car.

I loved some of the inter-agent interaction, especially between Mack and Coulson, then Mack and Yo-Yo. Speaking of...Yo-Yo seemed far more comfortable with herself, her powers, and the spy world. It was a nice development to see. I've kind of grown to like her character.

I hope they don't overuse the Watchdogs. If I recall correctly, in the comics they were originally one of the groups Red Skull funded and used to stir some shit up. Same with the Scourge of the Underworld, whom I would love to see show up here.


Spoiler:
I don't think Scourge will show up but maybe something like Doctor Druid perhaps?

Also I think the Watchdogs, while in the comics are Red Skull's, this one is mostly just one man's mission to destroy what he sees as a threat, IE Inhumans.


A lot of different story/sub plot set ups in this one.


Is it just me, or did they not reveal the new Director of SHIELD in this episode?

My just-crazy-enough-that-it-might-be-true prediction is:

ID speculation spoiler:
Tony Stark

Yes, I know the movie and TV MCU rarely mixes, Tony doesn't know that Coulson lives, and RDJ is crazy-expensive. However, my thinking is as follows:

1. This version of SHIELD has some crazy tech upgrades versus previous seasons. A large airplane that can stay aloft for weeks without resupplying is Stark-level tech.

2. There was a brief mention of cute acronyms. We know Stark likes acronyms (JARVIS, JOCASTA, etc.).

3. A comment was made about how the new director didn't like the way things were run under the government. Despite his support for the Siclovia accords for most of Civil War, Stark has been known to be generally distrustful of government control.

4. This version of SHIELD appears to be better funded than any time since Season 1. At least there are a lot more agents running around. If government control and support is limited, who else could bankroll it besides the richest guy in the world?

5. This one is an indirect inference, but Tony tends to compensate for past failures by performing a grand act of atonement. Becoming SHIELD director could be his way of atoning for Civil War.

I know that this conjecture is just that, and realistically there is no way they are bringing in RDJ for a cameo, but why keep the identity a mystery if the reveal isn't going to be shocking?

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Bringing RDJ for a cameo might make me watch the show again. Has anyone here seen "The Judge" movie? RDJ has joined the pantheon of greatest movie stars if you ask me...


TarSpartan wrote:

Is it just me, or did they not reveal the new Director of SHIELD in this episode?

My just-crazy-enough-that-it-might-be-true prediction is:

** spoiler omitted **

Don't get too attached to this theory...they already announcing the casting of the new director, and if I recall correctly he is played by the same actor who was the dad in Terra Nova.


MMCJawa wrote:
TarSpartan wrote:

Is it just me, or did they not reveal the new Director of SHIELD in this episode?

My just-crazy-enough-that-it-might-be-true prediction is:

** spoiler omitted **

Don't get too attached to this theory...they already announcing the casting of the new director, and if I recall correctly he is played by the same actor who was the dad in Terra Nova.

I still say it's Jim Hammond in disguise. :P

That or one of the Squadron.

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Or a skrull!

Or not. I'm running out of possible and most likely choices.


Aberzombie wrote:

Interesting.....

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah... Still disappointed that it's not Ketch or Blaze, but it looks interesting to say the least. Not 100% sure about the skull head, but it looks a LOT better then the comic version of Reye's mask/helmet/thing...

It'll be interesting if they are going to keep in villain mode or make him more a team player... Curious where this season is going to go.

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Phantom,

I agree that Reyes isn't my favorite Ghost Rider, but I have strong hopes for this season.

When it was just Skye as a random person I was unenthusiastic. Now that's she Daisy Freaking Johnson? Pretty rad to me. Coulson back in the field and out from behind the desk is also a good thing.

Meh, The Daisy reveal annoyed me too. Daisy Johnson isn't a comic character I ever liked, so shoe-horning her in here... left me pretty cold.

I'm torn now with her out on her own. On the one hand, I don't like her around the team bossing everyone around like she DOESN"T have the least seniority in the entire SHIELD orginaztion... (Seriously, She was given her badge during the Winter Soldier crossover...)

But I'm a little concerned that splitting the team up so much, is going to result in less screen time for everyone.... That's not great either. I'd have rather Someone... (daisy, may) quit the show and come back for special episodes... rather then run 3-4 plots in each episode with only about 10 minutes total for each...

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The skull looks freaking amazing.


Hama wrote:
The skull looks freaking amazing.

I haven't seen it move the jaw yet, or speak in Rider form...

It looks encouraging and creepy... but I'm withholding judgement ;)


I think they did a great job on the CGI for Ghost Rider/Skull.

Also I don't think Skrulls are allowed in the MCU JUST yet.


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My theory as to the new Director?

Henry Peter Gyrich.

:)


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Well it might be Feros!

I'm certainly not ruling it out. But his first name is Jeffery. Many are suspecting him to be Jeffery Mace aka the Patriot aka Third Captain America.

Honestly I don't necessarily buy it but I'm not against it either.


Well he's an inhuman we learned that much. Super strong + nigh invulnerable is a good power set.

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Holy f$+!balls!

Spoiler:
Interesting move on the writer's part, making the Director an inhuman. Very interesting indeed.

Even more important....

Did mine ears deceive me, or did ghost chick namedrop the f#@&ing Darkhold?!? That's some serious black magic mojo there, the kind you usually find mentioned alongside names such as Doctor Strange, Dracula, Varnae, and Cthon. Which is cool. They've been linking each season of the series with a Marvel movie, and now it seems this season (or at least the first half) will be inextricably linked with Doctor Strange.

I also noticed that Daisy mentioned Robbie's unlce during her interogation. I really wish they'd have left him out, but it seems they're going that route with GR's source of power.

Either way, this season is really ensnaring my interest.


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OK, Jeffrey Mace could be an interesting choice. I still think Gyrich as a hostile Director rather than Mace as a friendly but divisive Director would have been better given the MASSIVE bunch of sub-plots they are driving out this season, but I'm still intrigued and enjoying what I am seeing.


Aber,

Your ears didn't deceive you. They straight up said "The Darkhold."

That means some of BADDEST most evil crap this side of the Necronomicon is coming to Agents. IF it shows up. If not, Damn if Strange doesn't get messed up by Kaedicus probably using it. Which means...CTHON!

I dunno if his uncle is where his powers are derived, but it might seem that if the mutherfing Darkhold is involved...shizzle just go supernaturally real.

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As a follow-up....

Spoiler:
I'm not entirely thrilled about the new Director being an Inhuman. I was hoping they'd take the opportunity this season to move further away from the Inhuman plotline, but this and Daisy mean it stays a big part.

Kind of the same with the supernatural stuff. They went from zero to HOLY SHIT in 2 episodes. I hope they don't overdo it.

I just hope they take some time and give us a few nice spy stories. They could take a lesson from both Winter Soldier and Civil War, which gave some great political/spy/pyschological thrills and twists.


Aber,

I think the Supernatural angle might last for a season or two. Not sure. But I do think the Inhuman angle is pretty much locked into this show.

What I really hope is they don't use a quasi-science speak about what is clearly NOT true physics.

As for the Winter Soldier/Civil War, I think that angle is probably either fizzled (no HYDRA remember?) or slow burn (maybe Secret Empire instead?)

One fan speculated the true villain for this season might be Parker Robbins aka the Hood.


oh man
Jemma giving Mack the pity face "yes it could be a ghost"

I think this season is going to be a bit rough on our Science team, although I sense plenty of moments for Mack to say "I told you so"

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I was wondering if there was any connection with the company and the reactor where the ghosts were trapped in the cubes, and Isodyne and Zero Matter from season 2 of Agent Carter.


I am happy that we are finally getting magic in marvel universe.

I can't wait to see Mack say "I told you so".


Grey,

Yeah I think that will come back into play once they find (or at least learn more about) the Darkhold.

Joel,

Maybe but it also might connect to Secret Empire and their designs to rule unseen via the Darkhold.

Dragon,

I'm just happy we have REALLY strong MC connection via the Darkhold.


Though I am not happy about the sudden limiting factor on Daisy's powers this season.

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Well I wonder if Robbie is tied to the Darkhold. I hope we might see Victoria Montessi.

The subtitles give him as Jeffrey Mace.

I'd add to my Christmas list... Frank Drake. Him and Linda could cross the 'magi-tech' divide, and provide a foil for Jemma.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Though I am not happy about the sudden limiting factor on Daisy's powers this season.

In fairness, I got the impression it was sorta temporary/a result of overuse. If she'd just give herself time to heal and then not use them quite as often she'd be fine...but her overuse of them is a symptom of the serious self-destruction thing she's doing right now.

Or to put it another way: It's not a power limitation so much as the equivalent of showing a character who isn't sleeping more than three hours a night being physically weak. Yes, there's a problem here, but it's not that the character has a new limitation, it's that they aren't taking basic care of themselves.


Deadman is right. Daisy is pushing her powers to their limits that her body can stand. It's not an uncommon trope in MC lore. We don't know how much stress her body can handle, considering she's only been Inhuman for like...maybe 2 years? I mean look how long it took Jean Grey to get bad ass levels!

Matthew,

My sense is yes, the Darkhold and thus perhaps Cthon is tied to Robbie/Ghost Rider. But as to whether we'll get Midnight Sons...no idea. I'd like to think so but I'd much rather that be a spin-off thing IE Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze or Danny Ketch) doing that along with maybe Doctor Strange or hell Doctor Voodoo!

There's still not a clear line about what history Jeffery Mace has in the MCU. I mean it could be new, or it could be even he was part of the All-Winner Squad. Or something like it. I don't think it would be Invaders though.


Aberzombie wrote:
I caught The Usual Suspects on last night, and noticed the dude who plays Coulson was in it.

I still think the show should cast Mrs. Grey in some part that butts heads with the Son of Coul.


I'd rather have Son of Coul be throwing down drinks with the Warriors Three.

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
I caught The Usual Suspects on last night, and noticed the dude who plays Coulson was in it.
I still think the show should cast Mrs. Grey in some part that butts heads with the Son of Coul.

Yeah, that Dirty dancing remake they're working on blew it when they didn't cast the two of them as baby's parents.

I mean talk about no brainer cameo...


Thomas Seitz wrote:
I'd rather have Son of Coul be throwing down drinks with the Warriors Three.

He can do that too. I was just thinking Clark Gregg and his real-life wife would likely have good onscreen chemistry. Doesn't even have to be romantic chemistry (it's probably better character development-wise if it isn't), but two or more actors that really click together onscreen can help ease the show over some of the weaker writing/plot moments. Plus, Mrs. Grey is a fun actor to watch.


Dragon78 wrote:
Though I am not happy about the sudden limiting factor on Daisy's powers this season.

Not all that sudden, it was there since she got her powers. Simmons and Fitz designed her some gauntlets that prevented it, but she seems to have lost them since going rogue.


No, her powers were hurting her then because she was trying to control/stop them but were being directed back at her. She was strong enough in the last two seasons to level forest and destroy buildings now she can barely do a simple blast without hurting herself.


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could be psychological. She has a major Self-hate going right now, could be she is subconciously punishing herself

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Dragon78 wrote:
No, her powers were hurting her then because she was trying to control/stop them but were being directed back at her. She was strong enough in the last two seasons to level forest and destroy buildings now she can barely do a simple blast without hurting herself.

Again, I'm pretty sure this is because she's not taking care of herself. If she'd just take some time to heal properly and not overuse her powers she'd be fine.


I agree with the Deadman. Daisy's been going 24-7 with out much sleep or down time. This is pretty much leading to her over-extending herself.

Secondly, DARKHOLD!!!

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
No, her powers were hurting her then because she was trying to control/stop them but were being directed back at her. She was strong enough in the last two seasons to level forest and destroy buildings now she can barely do a simple blast without hurting herself.
Again, I'm pretty sure this is because she's not taking care of herself. If she'd just take some time to heal properly and not overuse her powers she'd be fine.

Also, didn't she have special gloves made for her that minimize the damage or accelerate her bones healing? If she's not wearing them, or they're not working properly and in need of a tune-up, that could explain things.


I thought she was wearing them but she was using her powers so often that she was doing more damage then the gloves could help. kind of like minimizing the damage but the wear and tear could still add-up

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