Big Norse,
I don't think they'll pull that one again. They already did it with Coulson. Don't see them going to the well again.
I do believe the 'fake off" in terms of none of the main cast. One of the Secret Warriors will probably die, but not any of the humans.
The thing that bugs me about her 'vision' is that each person the guy touched (except his kid) saw their own deaths.
The thing that bugs me about her 'vision' is that each person the guy touched (except his kid) saw their own deaths.
She has had two visions, the first did not lead directly to her death (well, ... the death of her free will maybe).
I don't think the second one will either.
I would guess Lincoln, since he seems like the largest bit of dead weight on the show.
I'm betting on a named character dying, but probably not Daisy, Coulson, Fitz, Simmons, or May (the original team).
As to that, if it's a main/named character (other than Daisy), I'd bet on Mack, given Daisy's "I'm trying to SAVE you" and the floating cross necklace. The only other person who might be wearing that is the teleporter who's codename I've forgotten.
I'm betting on a named character dying, but probably not Daisy, Coulson, Fitz, Simmons, or May (the original team).As to that, if it's a main/named character (other than Daisy), I'd bet on Mack, given Daisy's "I'm trying to SAVE you" and the floating cross necklace. The only other person who might be wearing that is the teleporter who's codename I've forgotten.
Elena Rodriguez. She's not a teleporter, she just moves VERY fast for a few seconds. Now there is Eden Fesi, he's a mutant in the comics AND can teleport others.
I would guess Lincoln, since he seems like the largest bit of dead weight on the show.
I don't think the writers like him. Its like he makes the same decisions as colson but they never work out right.
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I'm betting on a named character dying, but probably not Daisy, Coulson, Fitz, Simmons, or May (the original team).
Maybe they think there would be riots if Fitz were killed. He seems to be a favorite of many. Which probably makes it a good thing Joss Whedon doesn't have a more direct hand in things.
Whedon doesn't have a habit of killing of the msin, main cast before end-game regardless. He likes to pick characters that are well liked but generally unnecessary, and rarely "Dark Horse" characters.
The most memorable main character deaths from him (like Wash) come in the grand finale, or near enough.
He'd be most likely to kill off Mack or May of the current core cast. Characters well liked enough, but with minimal potential to squeeze further plot and character development out of.
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My guess is that Mack is going to die. One of the repeated visions in the vision is that there is a floating crucifix, which Elena normally wears. It's either going to be Elena or whoever Elena gives the crucifix to. It would be a rather boring and obvious setup if Elena ends up dying, so it's probably someone else. The only people that have a good enough relationship with her for her to give them her crucifix is either Mack or Joey Guttierez, the metal corroding guy. There's a case to be made for Joey, but I think that Mack makes more sense - it's a stronger reaction than Joey would be. Plus, Elena and Mack seem to have some chemistry together, while Joey and Elena are just coworkers. More pathos with his death than Joey's.
Whedon doesn't have a habit of killing of the msin, main cast before end-game regardless. He likes to pick characters that are well liked but generally unnecessary, and rarely "Dark Horse" characters.
The most memorable main character deaths from him (like Wash) come in the grand finale, or near enough.
Agent Colson was killed very near the middle of The Avengers.
My guess is that Mack is going to die. One of the repeated visions in the vision is that there is a floating crucifix, which Elena normally wears. It's either going to be Elena or whoever Elena gives the crucifix to. It would be a rather boring and obvious setup if Elena ends up dying, so it's probably someone else. The only people that have a good enough relationship with her for her to give them her crucifix is either Mack or Joey Guttierez, the metal corroding guy. There's a case to be made for Joey, but I think that Mack makes more sense - it's a stronger reaction than Joey would be. Plus, Elena and Mack seem to have some chemistry together, while Joey and Elena are just coworkers. More pathos with his death than Joey's.
I think Mack is safe if only because it starts looking a bit weird when the only major team members that die are the African American ones...
I don't think it's Mack. I still think Yo-Yo might be the one that dies.
Agent Colson was killed very near the middle of The Avengers.Whedon doesn't have a habit of killing of the msin, main cast before end-game regardless. He likes to pick characters that are well liked but generally unnecessary, and rarely "Dark Horse" characters.
The most memorable main character deaths from him (like Wash) come in the grand finale, or near enough.
He falls under the category of "liked, but generally unnecessary". Or completely unnecessary, if we're being brutally honest.
Plus, he's alive so it doesn't count.
Sun,
Only because Marvel said "Do over!"
I REALLY liked this episode. It had exactly the kind of carathis I needed to get through a rough day. (Mom had some gastrointestinal tests done this morning. Guess who had to sit with her in the waiting room?)
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Lash was a total let down. This business about every Inhuman existing for a [specific] reason was bizarre enough to begin with: are terrigen crystals prophetic? HowTF do they know what's "needed?"
But the team's eventual conclusion on what Lash was for...absurd! Way too specific. And even if that were his purpose all along, does that mean he can't do other things as well? He hurt Hive, and then just walked away. Finish him, you idiot!
That was a neat and unexpected trick Lash pulled, but due to his idiocy he was only able to do it for one person before being killed. Are Inhumans programmed to self destruct once their one super-specific task has been accomplished?
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Lash was a total let down. This business about every Inhuman existing for a [specific] reason was bizarre enough to begin with: are terrigen crystals prophetic? HowTF do they know what's "needed?"
But the team's eventual conclusion on what Lash was for...absurd! Way too specific. And even if that were his purpose all along, does that mean he can't do other things as well? He hurt Hive, and then just walked away. Finish him, you idiot!
That was a neat and unexpected trick Lash pulled, but due to his idiocy he was only able to do it for one person before being killed. Are Inhumans programmed to self destruct once their one super-specific task has been accomplished?
I did not like the episode.
The idea that Lash was an "anti-body" to Hive would have made sense(with the Kree setting this into motion after they banished Hive).
But Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has just wandered into "bad fan-fic" territory.
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I really liked the way this episode built up….
Plus, I agree that the “reason” for Lash getting the powers he did was way too specific. If he could have healed one, he could have healed more. And this does leave open some kind of lame idea of the Terrigen Crystals either being prophetic themselves, or someone with knowledge of the future somehow programmed them that way. Otherwise, the idea that the crystals just “know what will be needed” is just a lame-ass MacGuffin.
Lash’s death was a disappointment, however. Come on! The dude kills how many other Inhumans, but gets taken out by the Ghost Rider Chain trick?!? At the beginning of the season, they made it like Lash was going to be the Big Bad. Nice fake out, writers.
Hive’s ex-Watchdog drones were pretty cool. I kind of liked the way they played that. It made sense. And that actor did a great job of playing off Hive’s obvious joy at the result, but also keeping his reaction subdued enough to emphasize his distinct way less than human-ness.
I think what’s-her-face giving Mack the cross might be another attempted fake out. We know the cross (or one similar to it) shows up in the VISION OF DOOM! Could be that someone else gets a hold of it. Or there could be more than one of those crosses.
I honestly loved this episode. I know killing Lash sucked the wind out of him, but he did a great job of showing why he's still a dangerous being. I do agree though that it shouldn't have been Hellfire that kills him. Maybe more like Black Bolt or someone else? Regardless, there was a lot to enjoy about this episode.
Hama,
He DOES exist. :p He's just waiting to show up in 2020. Maybe.
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I didn't think the "Lash's purpose was to save Daisy, not to stop Hive" bit was lame at all. It wasn't true, but I saw it as a way for the team to convince themselves that Lash failing wasn't as bad, and protect their already fragile nerves over Hive. At least Lash did something good, and they can mentally re-write their view of the world to make it easier to swallow that Lash didn't take out Hive.
We don't know that the "inhumans are there for a purpose" is anything other than inhuman religion/philosophy. And even if it is true, I view it as Lash's purpose was to stop Hive, but Dr. Garner's personality took enough control to save Daisy first. They had a pretty strong bond.
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AZ - good thought, I would expect that might happen.
I liked that last night's episode showed how CA: Civil War will be impacting the rest of the MCU for a while. I expect the accords won't be going away anytime soon, and could pop up in the Netflix series as well. I wonder if it will be a major plot point for the spinoff Marvel's Most Wanted, with Bobbi and Hunter helping enhanced beings who don't want to register.
Joel,
No idea if Marvel's Most Wanted is actually happening. There's some grumblings about it not making print.
As for what A-zombie said, I kind of think they might.
AZ - good thought, I would expect that might happen.
I liked that last night's episode showed how CA: Civil War will be impacting the rest of the MCU for a while. I expect the accords won't be going away anytime soon, and could pop up in the Netflix series as well. I wonder if it will be a major plot point for the spinoff Marvel's Most Wanted, with Bobbi and Hunter helping enhanced beings who don't want to register.
I was torn on the crossover. While watching Civil War, I was surprised how UNLIKE the comic, the Accord wasn't about ALL metahumans. It was about leashing the Avengers and putting them back under government control.
I was wondering all week how SHIELD would reference it, because people like Spider-man didn't actually seem affected. They weren't referencing any disasters that weren't strictly Avenger Related.
Then this episode starts up, and they're back to registering every metahuman they can get their hands on...
Frankly THAT kind of crappy writing/planning is what ruined the original miniseries. One issue said the heroes could retire... the next issue had SHIELD breaking down doors at midnight with 'Cape-killer' suits...
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AZ - good thought, I would expect that might happen.
I liked that last night's episode showed how CA: Civil War will be impacting the rest of the MCU for a while. I expect the accords won't be going away anytime soon, and could pop up in the Netflix series as well. I wonder if it will be a major plot point for the spinoff Marvel's Most Wanted, with Bobbi and Hunter helping enhanced beings who don't want to register.
I was torn on the crossover. While watching Civil War, I was surprised how UNLIKE the comic, the Accord wasn't about ALL metahumans. It was about leashing the Avengers and putting them back under government control.
I was wondering all week how SHIELD would reference it, because people like Spider-man didn't actually seem affected. They weren't referencing any disasters that weren't strictly Avenger Related.
Then this episode starts up, and they're back to registering every metahuman they can get their hands on...
Frankly THAT kind of crappy writing/planning is what ruined the original miniseries. One issue said the heroes could retire... the next issue had SHIELD breaking down doors at midnight with 'Cape-killer' suits...
Did you read the entire accords? Because as I remember the draft was mighty thick.
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I was left in the movie wondering what exactly the accords said. It seemed a very think book of law if it was Avengers specific. Also, making it Avengers specific would simply not work. If so, then the whole team quits, and it doesn't apply to them.
I don't see a contradiction between AoS and Avengers. Civil War is going to focus on the part of the accords relevant to the Avengers: e.g. extragovernmental organizations operating outside of government control.
Given that none of the baseline avengers have alter egos, registering powered individuals is likely not something that needs to be brought up.
Did you read the entire accords? Because as I remember the draft was mighty thick.AZ - good thought, I would expect that might happen.
I liked that last night's episode showed how CA: Civil War will be impacting the rest of the MCU for a while. I expect the accords won't be going away anytime soon, and could pop up in the Netflix series as well. I wonder if it will be a major plot point for the spinoff Marvel's Most Wanted, with Bobbi and Hunter helping enhanced beings who don't want to register.
I was torn on the crossover. While watching Civil War, I was surprised how UNLIKE the comic, the Accord wasn't about ALL metahumans. It was about leashing the Avengers and putting them back under government control.
I was wondering all week how SHIELD would reference it, because people like Spider-man didn't actually seem affected. They weren't referencing any disasters that weren't strictly Avenger Related.
Then this episode starts up, and they're back to registering every metahuman they can get their hands on...
Frankly THAT kind of crappy writing/planning is what ruined the original miniseries. One issue said the heroes could retire... the next issue had SHIELD breaking down doors at midnight with 'Cape-killer' suits...
Meh... with 100+ countries putting in their input, it may actually be a bit thin :D
That was something else I missed... I wonder when the Accords were signed. It seemed to me that meeting was interrupted with death and explosions... You'd think they'd be a bit leery about getting everyone together again so soon.
E signature. Done.
ARGH! On sky being the special center of the universe again. This time its not just the characters doing it, its a random mutation.
COLE is going nuts trying to get sky back? Says the guy who broke into a restricted shield base and killed two agents. Offering yourself as a guinea apig when you're useless in the fight anyway is at least twice as sane as that.
Unsurprised, Marik.
As for the accords and their affect on Inhumans, as stated previously the Avengers (like Coulson said) work out in front. People know who each of them are, (well maybe not Spiderman) but they each have a public persona. The Inhuman community is still being cataloged. It can still change. So to me, I agree with Coulson, the whole registering Inhumans doesn't work the same way it does for the Avengers. Sort of.
In any case, I do hope they use Lash's body/DNA some way. He's like the best line of defense against Hive's powers.
The major has a point. Hive is a potentially world ending event. Bring in the army, and you can/should have had a nuke on that jet
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Hatti,
Glenn Talbot isn't exactly what I'd call the sharpest mind in the Marvel U. Plus the fact nuking Hive in his location isn't a guaranteed solution to this. Mostly because as stated by Coulson, that's still requires going through the proper channels. That takes time. Hive could turn half the world in Alpha Primates before that got to the President.
Feral,
I'm more of a fan of wishing Lash could survive a fiery chain to the chest.
you can't be 100% sure a nuke would do the job. Despite having a host body Hive isn't a physical person he's a sentient infection. The infection that puts Inhumans under the Sway, is Hive. Essentially any inhuman he's gotten to is a carrier. If that infection gains a way of growing (presumably by killing a whole lot of humans) he could potentially regenerate all he needs to do is make certain a few of his minions are hidden a good distance away from him. Then after lying low for a while they get a human corpse and vomit a mouthful of sludge into it.
...which kind of brings us back to "Cut off one head and two more shall grow" Hydra motto.
Might explain why the previous solution was Throw him to another planet.
Hatti,
Glenn Talbot isn't exactly what I'd call the sharpest mind in the Marvel U.
Speaking of which....
HOW the heck did
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ARGH! On sky being the special center of the universe again. This time its not just the characters doing it, its a random mutation.
You're aware that a second after someone claimed that someone else immediately contradicted them with the much more reasonable explanation that Dr. Garner overrode Lash on that one?
Because that was a comment that was made, was the last word on the subject, and made vastly more sense.
Or, to put it another way: Someone in the show said that, but was immediately contradicted.
ARGH! On sky being the special center of the universe again. This time its not just the characters doing it, its a random mutation.You're aware that a second after someone claimed that someone else immediately contradicted them with the much more reasonable explanation that Dr. Garner overrode Lash on that one?
Because that was a comment that was made, was the last word on the subject, and made vastly more sense.
Or, to put it another way: Someone in the show said that, but was immediately contradicted.
So Dr. Garner can control lash for Skye, who he's biologically programmed to kill, but not, you know, his wife?
ABC Not Moving Forward With Marvel's Most WantedMeh. I liked Hunter but didn't care either way for Bobbi. More Hunter would be nice but I think he probably would play better in a bigger cast like on AoS rather than being one of two mains.
One 15 minute retirement and they're back in play
you can't be 100% sure a nuke would do the job. Despite having a host body Hive isn't a physical person he's a sentient infection. The infection that puts Inhumans under the Sway, is Hive. Essentially any inhuman he's gotten to is a carrier.
Nothings 100%, but I think it would have been smarter than sending an inhuman (albeit a very different than most inhumans inhuman) after an inhuman controlling monster.
Despite several opportunities, we haven't seen inhuman to inhuman infection. Its always been direct hive to inhuman. Taking out hive would leave inhumans that would miss him, want to bring him back, and start some sort of ressurection plot in action, but would die with the host. You blow their brains out and flame thrower the gray matter on the wall.
...which kind of brings us back to "Cut off one head and two more shall grow" Hydra motto.
Might explain why the previous solution was Throw him to another planet.
Alright i'll give you that one.
Hatti,
Glenn Talbot isn't exactly what I'd call the sharpest mind in the Marvel U.
Speaking of which....
HOW the heck did
Spoiler:General Ross get promoted to Secretary of State?? You want to talk about someone who's entire career was plagued with absolute failure... The thought of him rising through political ranks boggles the mind.