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And Fitz jumps right back into work mode. Go Fitz.


Re Fitz: now that's love.

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Tonight was cool, but, OMG, THE DRAMA!


That was disappointing on many levels. Though I would love to know what that entity was.


Fitz is now my favorite on AoS, followed by Coulson.

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Well, that was......interesting.

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It was nice to see that Henstridge chick get a chance to shine, much like her BFF Fitz has been getting a chance. Still, the love angle was a bit too predictable and clichéd. I wish they had gone a different route.

And she'd best not be pregnant!!!

As for Will and IT - Maybe Will actually was a NASA astronaut, and maybe they will go back for him. Then he'll either die in the attempt, or they'll be successful, but he'll be proven to have gone mad or been corrupted by IT. Then he'll either be killed, or escape to be another bad guy.

OR....maybe Will is IT! Can we say Maximus the Mad - the inhuman who's crazy, a bit of a villain, and has mental powers? Maybe he's been trapped there all this time, kill the poor saps who come through the portal. This time, though, something stayed his hand, and that something was the simple fact that (a)Gemma is most definitely female, (b) she showed more scientific knowledge than the other people he's killed, and (c) she mentioned someone with equal scientific knowledge would be trying to rescue her. The second two factors, especially, would represent Maximus' best chance yet of escape the planet he'd been exiled to.

Could also be that IT and Will are two separate entities, but I'm still putting my money on IT being Maximus.

Hell, it could be this storyline helps set up the Inhumans movie they've talked about.

Fitz, damnit! You'd best fight for your woman!!!

My wife was sitting there watching with me, and asked "How can her phone battery still have power?" My response was along the lines of "It's some special SHIELD tech." Sure enough.....

And, from the preview for next week, it looks like confirmation that May's ex- is, in fact, crispy-critter worm food.

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Dragon78 wrote:
That was disappointing on many levels. Though I would love to know what that entity was.

See my thoughts, just recently posted.


I've been thinking that

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the entity could be Hel from Thor Mythology, thus setting something for Thor Ragnarok.

I also hope that Will doesn't become part of a Love Triangle. Fitz deserves the girl. At least Gemma's reasoning is understandable. She wants to rescue a fellow human.


This is why I come to this thread after watching my episodes on DVR! Thanks Aberzombie/Goldmyr!

I agree that the "falling in love" stuff was a bit cliche and it annoyed me. But Fitz gotta Fitz...I mean did we all think he would "actually" get the girl this time?

I agree that Will is probably not exactly who/what he says he is...


My $0.02 worth of opinion...

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IT is despair. Will lost all hope when Gemma went through the portal. Since he "killed" IT, he gained IT's powers when he succumbed to despair.

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GM Niles wrote:

Thanks Aberzombie/Goldmyr!

You're welcome!!!

For what it's worth....

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If I had to bet, I'd put money on my theory of IT being related to Maximus the Mad. It jives with the Inhumans connection to the Monolith. PLus, Will's description of how IT gets in your head jives with Maximus having mental powers.

Plus, I'm just realizing that, with the sun down on that world, everything was very...blue. Kind of like the "blue area of the Moon" in Marvel comics, where the Inhuman city of Attilan was eventually located. Of course, alien world wasn't the Moon. I just find the connection to blue very interesting.


GM Niles wrote:

This is why I come to this thread after watching my episodes on DVR! Thanks Aberzombie/Goldmyr!

I agree that the "falling in love" stuff was a bit cliche and it annoyed me. But Fitz gotta Fitz...I mean did we all think he would "actually" get the girl this time?

I agree that Will is probably not exactly who/what he says he is...

Of course not - I mentioned to my wife before the episode that Simmons secondary purpose is as a dollar-on-a-string for Fitz. Every time he thinks something will happen - YOINK! It's reaching the point where I want him to move on and realize it's never going to happen.


It has been killing for hundreds of years I doubt it is Maximus. Though the theory about the planet being alive(Maybe Ego) could be true.

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Dragon78 wrote:
It has been killing for hundreds of years I doubt it is Maximus. Though the theory about the planet being alive(Maybe Ego) could be true.

Spoiler tags are other people's friend.

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Well, Inhumans can live a long time. Average lifespan is 150 years according to Wikipedia.

We do know that someone from Earth was sent through in the 1800s (which they showed, and can speculate that group sent others through. We can't even know for certain that IT even killed the other astronauts. And we can only surmise that IT has been killing for centuries because either Will or Gemma speculated that. We don't know.

But I dig on the Ego possibility. That thought passed through my head: Ego did possess mental powers, and his ability to rearrange his landscape would explain the surprise at the much wider than thought of canyon. I discarded the theory because (a) it didn't fit with the Inhumans-oriented storyline, and (b) Ego has a bad habit of absorbing people he comes in contact with. Doesn't make me correct, but I thought the Maximus thing fit better.

Time will tell, but either story would, I think, be cool.


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It is not Maximus, he a "talker" villain, not the silent type. This thing didn't talk and it's form could vary. Also not everything they encounter will be a Inhuman(s) even if they are the focus right now.


re:Spoiler tags I hate using them mostly because if you come into this thread its to discuss the show, why would you come if you haven't watched the show?

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Dragon78 wrote:
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Good points. And I actually hope you're correct. Because if I am, it could signal an Inhuman overload, the kind that just drags a show down.

It would be nice to mix in more of Marvel's vast universe.

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GM Niles wrote:
why would you come if you haven't watched the show?

Because...people. Many of whom will complain and b~@%~. I get enough of that from my kids and other sections of the boards.


I deal with children all day (I'm a Principal). I'd prefer to treat with adults who make adult decisions(Like not looking at a thread about a show if you haven't watched the show) on the boards.

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GM Niles wrote:
I'd prefer to treat with adults who make adult decisions(Like not looking at a thread about a show if you haven't watched the show) on the boards.

You and me both. But, like I said.....people

And....internet.

That's why I've been avoiding the Supergirl thread like the plague. Haven't watched the pilot yet.


Aberzombie, you need to use spoilers more often. ~thinks~ Never mind. As an undead monstrosity, you are already spoiled enough.


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I seriously doubt it is Maximus...It's apparently been around for hundreds of years, and the MO is in my opinion inconsistent with an Inhuman versus some other being. Also, Maximus is going to be saved as an antagonist for the Royal Family, which is in turn what the Inhumans movie seems to be the focus of.

My first thought is that the description was literal. It IS Death, which is a Marvel character after all. But other than that I have no idea, other than I am almost certain it will get released on Earth and be the big bad for latter half of the season.

As for the episode...I liked it. It's nice to see an episode focus on a single character since the cast was so large. And it makes sense that Simmons and Astronaut dude would hook up. They are LITERALLY the only two people on the planet...the loneliness is going to make a person look for comfort where they can find it (and both people being attractive can't have hurt the odds).


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I'm a bit confused as to why everyone seems to think they "fell in love". They're alone on a barren planet with only the other person to comfort them. Sex happens.

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Geez you're so romantic! Lol :)


Rynjin wrote:
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Not to mention almost nothing else to pass the time.

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Rynjin wrote:
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More like they fell into an intense relationship based on the fact they were two humans, alone on an alien planet, fighting for survival, with no hope of rescue.

Loved the NASA masons connections

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My question... why did Gemma wait to tell anyone?

Wouldn't, 'Oh no! We have to go back!' have been more logical as an immediate response? What exactly was the point of hiding it? For several days.

Not so much a criticism of the character, as the writers.


Aberzombie wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
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Basically what I said.

CBDunkerson wrote:

My question... why did Gemma wait to tell anyone?

Wouldn't, 'Oh no! We have to go back!' have been more logical as an immediate response? What exactly was the point of hiding it? For several days.

Not so much a criticism of the character, as the writers.

Imagine you're alone in a pace with a mind altering horror movie villain for six months.

Now, imagine you escape your nightmare, unclear if your one companion is even still ALIVE, and the person you maybe love (but definitely kept you sane in your isolation) is now comforting you, and you're back in familiar surrounds.

Is your first thought REALLY going to be "I HAVE TO GO BACK", or is your conscience going to war with you for a bit?

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Some would say screw that guy. Not literally though... I mean... ;)


Ryjin wrote:
Is your first thought REALLY going to be "I HAVE TO GO BACK", or is your conscience going to war with you for a bit?

Colson, get on the phone with fury, get some avengers, chuck em throuh the portal and get my bo.. erm. That guy back.

Fitz, call nasa, tell them they have a suit of workers comp suits incomming.

I'll be in the shower.

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That might be how you react to the ordeal, it might not. I don't know your experiences, BNW, so I don't know how you'd react to a traumatic event, or if you have and you're speaking from experience. However, what we're seeing, I would argue, is a reasonable portrayal of how Simmons is dealing with the 6.5 months she spent on the planet with Will.

And for everyone shaming Simmons for shacking up with Will...did you notice she spent roughly five of those six months doing everything she could to survive and get back to Fitz? She had grown to trust Will over that time, and he was there for her when she was at her lowest. That's what love is. Hell, the only person who had any right to be mad at her was Fitz, and so far, his first impulse was to get right back to work with her to go save him. If she had instantly jumped in the sack with him after she met up with him, I'd be right there with you, but again, this is a perfectly natural extension of the extreme situation she found herself in.


You would think that they would check to see if Will's story about working for NASA is true.

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I did feel as if Simmon's story was a bit cliché at the moment. I was hoping for a more interesting story of her time on the planet.

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What Fitz did is pure love.

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Hama gets it.

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Misroi wrote:
Hama gets it.

That's one of those "I don't care if you're not with me as long as you are happy" kinds of love. Rare and precious.


The thing is...what happened on the planet...did not gel with her waking up in the middle of night with that bone shiv. She was hunted once...she seemed to have a safe place to sleep...and they did not even show her make this bone shiv.

I actually thought her time on the planet was much more harsher than what it was.

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John Kretzer wrote:

The thing is...what happened on the planet...did not gel with her waking up in the middle of night with that bone shiv. She was hunted once...she seemed to have a safe place to sleep...and they did not even show her make this bone shiv.

I actually thought her time on the planet was much more harsher than what it was.

It was an unfamiliar location with unfamiliar sounds and smells.

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Lol - don't forget the regular groping tentacles bathing sessions


John Kretzer wrote:

The thing is...what happened on the planet...did not gel with her waking up in the middle of night with that bone shiv. She was hunted once...she seemed to have a safe place to sleep...and they did not even show her make this bone shiv.

I actually thought her time on the planet was much more harsher than what it was.

She got used to being hunted and probably had it on her when she was rescued and then didn't think to get rid of it. It's really not that out there.

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While I don't think this is the case, we don't know that the story we were shown was true. It was what she told Fitz. She could have had a much harsher time, been mentally influenced, etc. and spun the story under that influence for other purposes, and taken pieces of what really happened to concoct a story that would get Fitz to re-open the portal for other (very bad) reasons.


JoelF847 wrote:
While I don't think this is the case, we don't know that the story we were shown was true. It was what she told Fitz. She could have had a much harsher time, been mentally influenced, etc. and spun the story under that influence for other purposes, and taken pieces of what really happened to concoct a story that would get Fitz to re-open the portal for other (very bad) reasons.

That could be it....heck for all we know she is the entity...


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If it involves tentacled horrors, I'm all in for Simmons being a tentacle-beast in disguise.

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John Kretzer wrote:

The thing is...what happened on the planet...did not gel with her waking up in the middle of night with that bone shiv. She was hunted once...she seemed to have a safe place to sleep...and they did not even show her make this bone shiv.

I actually thought her time on the planet was much more harsher than what it was.

I assume they had to go hunting for food, though, and probably ranged in a radius of days from the camp. Sleeping could be pretty dangerous outside, I guess.

I guess what we mistook for trauma in the few episodes since she's been back really has more to do with her struggling with the idea of going back to save Will. She knows she has to, but she really, *really* doesn't want to.

As for the episode itself... I actually didn't like it all that much. The actress honestly wasn't quite good enough to make the first parts of it work, and the second parts were indeed a tad predictable.

The obelisk, planet, connection to inhumans, mysterious evil alien dude and so on are all still pretty intriguing mysteries, though, and are a better foundation for a plot than the previous two seasons had, in my opinion.

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I thought as well that the entity on the planet was Death itself, and the planet was Titan. It once was a paradise, but now only Death remains.


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I keep seeing that theory everywhere and again I must ask why the (generally depicted as benevolent, or at least fairly business-like) anthropomorphic personification of Death would be dicking around with two random people in the middle of nowhere instead of doing her job?


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Rynjin wrote:
I keep seeing that theory everywhere and again I must ask why the (generally depicted as benevolent, or at least fairly business-like) anthropomorphic personification of Death would be dicking around with two random people in the middle of nowhere instead of doing her job?

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Well, in the Marvel Universe and especially in the context of Titan, as Rosgakori suggests, the obvious connection is Thanos.
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During the last show they already said they're in a different galaxy. So it's not Titan...


Hama wrote:
What Fitz did is pure love.

Fitz is hands down the best character of the show.

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