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Hama wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Technically only the Super Skrull is entailed in that license, the Skrulls as a species are still with Marvel according to Kevin Feige.
Then, let the invasion begin!

Also....FOX owns the Movies Rights...not the TV rights. That is why they can not make a X-Men TV show.


John Kretzer wrote:
Hama wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Technically only the Super Skrull is entailed in that license, the Skrulls as a species are still with Marvel according to Kevin Feige.
Then, let the invasion begin!
Also....FOX owns the Movies Rights...not the TV rights. That is why they can not make a X-Men TV show.

So we could have Skrulls in TV but not in Movies.

so SHIELD vs. Skrulls would be doable

Skrulls who are a traditional enemy of the Kree and would sure as heck not want Kree bio-weapons (IE: Inhumans) on the loose.

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No, Skrulls are good for Marvel to use on both TV and Movies if you believe Kevin Feige. The Super-Skrull (a specific Skrull) is entailed in the rights held by Fox. As are the Badoon. Assuming John's correct, and I have no reason to doubt him, Fox doesn't have the TV rights to any of it. Since the Super-Skrull appeared in recent Marvel animation projects, this seems confirmed.

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If the Skrulls are even slightly questionable, it's not like Marvel lacks for alien races that can change their shape / assume a human form. Dire Wraiths, Plodex, etc. are all on the table.

Simms just happening to be near the portal (and still alive) was terribly convenient, and Fitz having brought back an imposter would be interesting.

It would be an interesting trick of the medium if what we were primed to see as Simmon's having a nightmare about her time away was a scene shift to the real Simmons, still trapped there, while the imposter wakes up next to Fitz and ponders stabbing him...

Still, generally, when I expect a TV show to do something relatively clever like this, they don't.


Krensky wrote:
No, Skrulls are good for Marvel to use on both TV and Movies if you believe Kevin Feige. The Super-Skrull (a specific Skrull) is entailed in the rights held by Fox. As are the Badoon. Assuming John's correct, and I have no reason to doubt him, Fox doesn't have the TV rights to any of it. Since the Super-Skrull appeared in recent Marvel animation projects, this seems confirmed.

If I recall correctly, the animation rights are also entirely separate from the live action TV rights.

It wouldn't surprise me if Skrulls were being held in reserve for whatever the next big bad is going to be post Phase 3.


Greylurker wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
They're already planning a sequel.

and WB has been planning a Green Lantern sequel for how long now.

It's more a matter of denial while trying to figure out WTH went wrong

I believe DC is now going ahead with a Green Lantern reboot...early rumors mentioned the movie having multiple human green lanterns.


Set wrote:

If the Skrulls are even slightly questionable, it's not like Marvel lacks for alien races that can change their shape / assume a human form. Dire Wraiths, Plodex, etc. are all on the table.

Simms just happening to be near the portal (and still alive) was terribly convenient, and Fitz having brought back an imposter would be interesting.

It would be an interesting trick of the medium if what we were primed to see as Simmon's having a nightmare about her time away was a scene shift to the real Simmons, still trapped there, while the imposter wakes up next to Fitz and ponders stabbing him...

Still, generally, when I expect a TV show to do something relatively clever like this, they don't.

You probably right it is too clever...but they did get Simmons back really easy...


Set wrote:
Simms just happening to be near the portal (and still alive) was terribly convenient, and Fitz having brought back an imposter would be interesting.

It makes sense for her to remain as near her arrival point as she can or at least revisit it frequently, since that's the only place she knows of where a portal can open on her end; but in any case she didn't just happen to be nearby, she saw the flare Fitz shot through and came toward it.


Nice to see what sort of aftereffects being off-world had on Simmons. Not just some mental trauma but it clearly messed her up physically. Big surprise of course being at the end. Any guesses as to her reasons

a) Physiology set to new world, return or die
b) Not really Simmons, Alien double needs to go home
c) (My Guess) People there in need of rescue

Also I am liking the growing partnership between Daisy and Mac


Greylurker wrote:

Nice to see what sort of aftereffects being off-world had on Simmons. Not just some mental trauma but it clearly messed her up physically. Big surprise of course being at the end. Any guesses as to her reasons

a) Physiology set to new world, return or die
b) Not really Simmons, Alien double needs to go home
c) (My Guess) People there in need of rescue

Also I am liking the growing partnership between Daisy and Mac

I had a weird thought that her next line is "It wasn't 6 months, it was - longer. I need to go get my child!"

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My thoughts...

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I wish they'd just get Lincoln to finally sign up. This back and forth with him is annoying.

I also like the Daisy/Mac Bromance.

I do not like the partnership between Coulson and Rosalind. Come on, Phil! You learned spy stuff from the master, Nick Fury! You should be able to get the better of this chick! Hopefully, it's all part of some brilliant, long-range plan.

I've got misgivings about Hunter's infiltrate Hydra plan. I do think it'll get him closer to Ward, but I also think he's going to regret that.

Simmons wants to go back. I hope it's not because of a "her new boyfriend or child" plot twist. That would just suck balls. There's no need to be that mean to Fitz. He does not deserve endless friendzone-ness!


Lincoln might not join there team at all, he may even become a villain.


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I'm thinking May's a goner barring timely rescue from the tentacled clutches of the regenerating Hydra. Ward is not going to buy that she's all-in. If he doesn't shoot her in the face fairly quickly, it might be only because Strucker Jr. develops the hots for her and plays his Big Damn Money card.

Simmons' development is the most interesting of the subplots for various reasons. She may even have some form of addiction...

I'm betting Phil is playing three cards (at least). First, he's taking a shot at grabbing the reins to try and keep Uncle Sam from going all "concentration camp and genocide" on the 'powered people'. This is a Good Thing, *if* he succeeds. Second, if he's on the inside, so are his minions, or at least most of them, which keeps those he cares for better protected from getting vivisected. Last, if nothing else he could become his own double-agent as a long-term play - and I'm waging a tie-in to Civil War, with Coulson taking Cap's side from behind the curtain.

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Am I the only one that regrets never having seen (the 51 year old) Ming-Na Wen actually wearing that red bikini?

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Dragon78 wrote:

Lincoln might not join there team at all, he may even become a villain.

Rumor mill has him eventually going by the name of Sparkplug and being part of the New Warriors team Daisy is putting together.

Liberty's Edge

Did they use the term New Warriors somewhere?

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May's ex used the term "Secret Warriors" while talking to her on the couch.

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I got that, but those are two different groups.

The New Warriors is (very loosely) Marvel's Teen Titans (one of them, anyway) and was Dwayne Taylor's team and the group involved in the Stamford Incident which lead to the Civil War storyline in the comics.

The Secret Warriors was a series following Daisy Johnson's White Caterpillar team made up mostly of the children of super villains during Fury and SHIELD's war with HAMMER, Hydra, Leviathan, and, well, pretty much everyone.

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My bad. I believe it was Secret Warriors I'd seen mentioned. I never collected New Warriors, and Secret Warriors was after my time being a big Marvel collector, so I wasn't terribly familiar with either team.

Liberty's Edge

No big deal, they're both semi-obscure references

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Also...

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The first rule of Hydra is: You do not talk about Hydra.

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I'm waiting for Red Skull to come back from whatever dimension he got zapped to by the tesseract and wipe out hydra himself for the terrible job they did while he was gone.


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Imbicatus wrote:
I'm waiting for Red Skull to come back from whatever dimension he got zapped to by the tesseract and wipe out hydra himself for the terrible job they did while he was gone.

This. Would. Be. AWESOME!

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Imbicatus wrote:
I'm waiting for Red Skull to come back from whatever dimension he got zapped to by the tesseract and wipe out hydra himself for the terrible job they did while he was gone.

did he have a hand in the end of civil war in the comics? I remember a giant red skull in Washington... things are a bit hazy now

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Krensky wrote:
No big deal, they're both semi-obscure references

It still bugs me a bit. I pride myself on my knowledge of comics.

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Kind of wish they'd made Hunter's infiltration of Hydra and working his way up the ranks to Ward last a bit longer. I thought the way it turned out was a bit too much, however. Seems awfully convenient that the gasoline Ward was shown with earlier in the episode made it's way to Baby Strucker and thugs (not too mention they were oh so conveniently near May's husband), just in time for the May/Hunter attack. Bad writing.

I really don't like Rosalind and her people. Now, however, there's this new wrinkle of Lash being able to turn human-looking. Makes me wonder if one of the people he turns into isn't one of the ATCU folks. If that's the case, then he's either infiltrated the ATCU, or the entire group is a front for Lash's faction of Inhuman purists.

As for Dwight Frye - damn, what a sucktastic power. Despite what Lash says, it was a mercy to kill that poor bastard.

As for the whole Fitz/Simmons escapade - if those f#$!-head writers introduce some new character who helped her survive the alien world and is now her love interest (or her baby-daddy), I'm gonna be pissed. That'd be just a bit too cliché to me. Unless they throw everyone for a loop and made it some young, half-alien hottie who's a descendent of the dude we saw go through in the flashback. That might make things.....interesting.


I just hope Simmons' reason for going back is not because...
-of a new love interest.
-she is not the real Simmons.
-she has an addiction problem.
-she is brainwashed/mind controlled.
-she bonded with an alien parasite.

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Dragon78 wrote:

I just hope Simmons' reason for going back is not because...

-of a new love interest.
-she is not the real Simmons.
-she has an addiction problem.
-she is brainwashed/mind controlled.
-she bonded with an alien parasite.

That leaves nothing

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So do we hate Ward enough now? I think we do. Yes, I'm pretty sure of that.

Really didn't see Andrew dying there coming. Whenever I start thinking Agents of Shield is becoming maybe a little bit too stale/vanilla, they throw in a surprise punch like that. Happens several times a season. It is a large part of what makes the show work.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Ward had people so close to Andrew like Aberzombie said. We have seen him planning this operation for about three episodes now, I'm pretty sure he would have had Andrew tailed 24/7. That's how Ward is.

As for Simmons wanting to go back - pretty sure it's not a love interest. She clearly still cares about Fitz, which is the obvious reason why she told him last about her secret - she knew it would be the hardest.

She said she "changed" and we've seen something chasing her on the alien world. That's really all we know at the moment. Hard to guess what that might mean.

All in all, best episode in this season by a wide margin, so far. I'm maybe a bit disappointed at the action scenes, which are shorter and less awesome than those of the previous season, but maybe they are slowly ramping things up.

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Hama wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:

I just hope Simmons' reason for going back is not because...

-of a new love interest.
-she is not the real Simmons.
-she has an addiction problem.
-she is brainwashed/mind controlled.
-she bonded with an alien parasite.
That leaves nothing

Other than like a hundred other things this could be. Off the top of my head,

- she found something that she needs to retrieve
- she was on the verge of discovering something
- she is insane and thinks she belongs there

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At the risk of being yelled at, some of us have to watch stuff on Hulu the day after, so could we maybe use spoilers on Wednesday? Please?

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Krensky wrote:
At the risk of being yelled at, some of us have to watch stuff on Hulu the day after, so could we maybe use spoilers on Wednesday? Please?

This.

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Lord Snow wrote:

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All in all, best episode in this season by a wide margin, so far. I'm maybe a bit disappointed at the action scenes, which are shorter and less awesome than those of the previous season, but maybe they are slowly ramping things up.

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Are we sure that Andrew is dead?

Yes, it's the most likely outcome. However, all we saw was some blood and part of a body. It would perfectly within Ward's character and capability to kidnap Andrew, use the Hydra Uber-brainwashing technique on him, then save him as a weapon to use against May at some future date. All the while, he's causing May (and SHIELD) all kinds of heartache and conflict by making them think Andrew is dead.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:

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All in all, best episode in this season by a wide margin, so far. I'm maybe a bit disappointed at the action scenes, which are shorter and less awesome than those of the previous season, but maybe they are slowly ramping things up.

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I really hope this isn't the direction they're going with this. I don't want this to be one of those shows where a character isn't dead dead until you see their body chopped into fifteen pieces and then burned and tossed to the void of outer space. They clearly showed blood and part of the body and then the whole place exploded. I think (hope) he's dead.

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If Andrew isn't dead, it's only because he's Lash's human form, or something similar. ;)


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Turin the Mad wrote:
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If Andrew isn't dead, it's only because he's Lash's human form, or something similar. ;)

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This was my thought exactly. Baby Strucker looked way too terrified for things to have gone according to plan, and the other two Hydra guys were nowhere to be seen (with the gas can being conspicuously dropped from someone's hand rather than deliberately poured). It's a safe bet Andrew killed them SOMEHOW, and having your heart ripped from your chest tends to be bloody.
Aberzombie wrote:
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Kind of wish they'd made Hunter's infiltration of Hydra and working his way up the ranks to Ward last a bit longer. I thought the way it turned out was a bit too much, however. Seems awfully convenient that the gasoline Ward was shown with earlier in the episode made it's way to Baby Strucker and thugs (not too mention they were oh so conveniently near May's husband), just in time for the May/Hunter attack. Bad writing.

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Remember that in a previous episode BStruck joined Andrew's Psych class. It wasn't "convenient", it was clearly planned for them to be watching him and ready to move when he made the call (which he had Weirdly Shaped Head Guy do after May showed up).

Rynjin wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
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Aberzombie wrote:
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Yeah right now I am leaning on Lash = Andrew. Remember May mentioned that Andrew left abruptly with no explanation, and he still hasn't explained it. Seems like it

And yeah...only Werner seems to have survived that attack. We've gotten no hint that Andrew is secretly some May-level badass and I don't know why they wouldn't show the death if there is no misdirection involved.

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This show needs to be more about Coulson again. Him, Fitz and Simmons are the only one I still give a dam about. Mockingbird doesn't really cut it compared to the comics one.


I like the expanded cast. I would like to see more of Coulson, but I'm enjoying the other plots right now. Though I agree, Bobbie's could use less screen time. I don't know about her in the comics but as interesting as the concept of a field agent in rehab transitioning to the science department is in theory, they don't seem to be doing a ton with it except showing scenes of her either in the gym or in the lab doing things while OTHER people's plots are being progressed.

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Lord Snow wrote:

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Really didn't see Andrew dying there coming.
Whenever I start thinking Agents of Shield is becoming maybe a little bit too stale/vanilla, they throw in a surprise punch like that. Happens several times a season. It is a large part of what makes the show work.

They do it to damn often. I'm still pissed that they killed off Tripp. He was the best character on the show.


I'm not 100% sure why everyone loved Tripp so much. He seemed like just another generic SHIELD guy who happened to be a potential Simmons love interest to me.

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She seems to love black men the most so far. Am I imagining that or has she fawned over other non-black dudes?

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Rynjin wrote:
I'm not 100% sure why everyone loved Tripp so much. He seemed like just another generic SHIELD guy who happened to be a potential Simmons love interest to me.

The most distinct part of him was the family relation to a howling commando, which allowed for a cute geek-out scene he had with Coulson that one time, but yeah, otherwise he was rather generic.

In those terms the new people are actually better - Mac deviates reasonably from the norm of both a Shield agent AND what you would expect from such a big guy. Bobbie is fine, nothing special, but way prettier than Tripp, so hey. And Hunter is one of the most consistently fun characters on the show.

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This show needs to be more about Coulson again.

While I'm a big Coulson fan, the character pretty much played it's potential as the focus of the show out already in season 1. There just really aren't enough new and interesting things to do with him. Kept in small douses however, he can still be one of the best parts in each new episode.

Speaking of which,

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The dynamic that developed around Coulson and Rosalind and their flirtations is amusing. Coulson is in the role of a father for the group, and the other characters are acting exactly like petulent children who don't like their father's new girlfriend. Of course they have a reason to (although seeing as how they know Coulson they should at least suspect that there's more going on than what they see and that he has his motivations), but still the whole situation is amusing.

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Rynjin wrote:
I'm not 100% sure why everyone loved Tripp so much. He seemed like just another generic SHIELD guy who happened to be a potential Simmons love interest to me.

He was funny. He was a joker who was a good guy, and he had all the cool WW2 spy gear form the Howling Commandos, which was a great tie in to Captain America.


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Imbicatus wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
I'm not 100% sure why everyone loved Tripp so much. He seemed like just another generic SHIELD guy who happened to be a potential Simmons love interest to me.

He was funny. He was a joker who was a good guy, and he had all the cool WW2 spy gear form the Howling Commandos, which was a great tie in to Captain America.

Which, sans the old spy gear, describes pretty much every SHIELD agent.

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My alignment is TN for the purposes of Tripp discussions.


Tripp was way too good at everything and he seem to know stuff about science side of shield. He was bland and underdeveloped as character it would have been nice if he lasted longer.

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He was expected.... to DIE!!!

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Didn't actor B.J. Britt have a time conflict though?

I thought that was the reason he was written out.


I'm rather intrigued about how the storyline with ATCU will go. I like the rivalry and semi-cooperation. Also, Coulson and Rosalind always have really nice scenes.

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