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Am I the only one who went "Duuuude...not cool" when Coulson shot Whitehall?
I wanted to see Cal rip into him SO bad.
Well, I REALLY wanted to see Cal go all Hyde.... if that's what you mean :(
what if those were thorns on Raina, plant based abilities. Shw always liked flowers
I think you're right about this. Just read something from showrunner Maurissa Tanchereon alluding to something similar as well.
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Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Casts Blair Underwood
Well, it's been a nice run. He's killed many a show before.
Who?
I looked up his IMDB and it looks like he's never been in much of anything anybody actually watched.
Yes that includes some shows that ran quite a few seasons.
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I'd hardly say he's been in anything nobody watched. L.A. Law, which he is probably most famous for, was widely popular during most of its run on network tv in the 80s.
I hope Raina's powers are plant based instead of the reptile version character of the same name.
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Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Casts Blair Underwood
Well, it's been a nice run. He's killed many a show before.
I hope they cast Ted McGinley next.
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Am I the only one who went "Duuuude...not cool" when Coulson shot Whitehall?
I wanted to see Cal rip into him SO bad.
On the bright side it does give Coulson a perfect record of two out of two major Hydra leaders that he killed with a shot to the back in the show. I hope this becomes a theme for him.
Great episode, tons of stuff happening. Unlike most here, it seems, I thought the way Tripp died was fairly cool, tragic and climactic. Not every death has to be an intentional heroic sacrifice or a death in combat. I find myself wishing that maybe instead of some of the time spent on other characters these last two episodes we could have had him be more important. I do think getting rid of characters is smart though, as the number of them was beginning to get a bit out of hand.
So for one who's not knowledgable in comics, why did what we see confirm that Skye is an inhuman? other than "she has some power now", what did we learn that is specific to Inhumans?
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Well, it's been building towards that. Raina mentioned that the two of them and Skye's parents were descended from people from the stars known as the Kree. In the comics, the Kree set up the Inhumans as a breeding program for supersoliders. The initiative was eventually abandoned, and the Inhumans founded their own society hidden away from humanity. Also, Raina hinted that Skye's father was interested in evolution, and the Inhumans are all about directing the course of their own genetics.
The biggest smoking gun, though? The Inhumans are basically powerless until they undergo Terrigenesis, which is sort of a metamorphic coming-of-age ceremony. They are exposed to the Terrigen Mists, and they gain their powers. As it turns out, that's what the Diviner was all along - a cartridge of Terrigen Mist that triggered both Raina and Skye to metamorphose into their selves.
And as for Tripp...dammit, Joss, stop hitting me in the Wash.
And as for Tripp...dammit, Joss, stop hitting me in the Wash.
Yet another sacrifice to keep whedon on air....
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Tripp's death was a heroic sacrifice.
Not exactly, it's not that he made a deliberate decision to die in order to save others, and after he stopped the bombs there was no need for him to stay in the city any longer. He tragically made it just in time into the chamber where the crystal went off, where he was useless to others and helpless to save himself. He didn't achieve anything in dying. He just bit the bullet.
And as for Tripp...dammit, Joss, stop hitting me in the Wash.
Agents of Shield is not a Joss Whedon show.
Tripp's death was a heroic sacrifice.Not exactly, it's not that he made a deliberate decision to die in order to save others, and after he stopped the bombs there was no need for him to stay in the city any longer. He tragically made it just in time into the chamber where the crystal went off, where he was useless to others and helpless to save himself. He didn't achieve anything in dying. He just bit the bullet.
Black Dude Dies First. I had hoped that we were beyond that trope.
Worse, it was a useless, empty death.
And as for Tripp...dammit, Joss, stop hitting me in the Wash.Agents of Shield is not a Joss Whedon show.
True. But, he is still connected - as far as FreeholdDM is concerned.
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Black Dude Dies First. I had hoped that we were beyond that trope.
Worse, it was a useless, empty death.
Plenty of characters died before him... hack in this very episode Whitehall died. In the previous season Ward killed Agent Hand (I think here name was?) who was about as much of a main character as Tripps is. Also a couple of people died in the beginning of this season (the woman who touched the obelisk and that other dude).
I honestly can't agree with your accusation. You could maybe argue that there isn't really a main black character in the show but of the side good guy character like 2/5 are black or something, so chance of first one to go being black even if chosen at random are fairly high.
Plenty of characters died before him... hack in this very episode Whitehall died.Black Dude Dies First. I had hoped that we were beyond that trope.
Worse, it was a useless, empty death.
Daniel Whitehall was the villain (and a remarkably unsympathetic one). His death was always foreordained. That he was killed off so early was a surprise - His death was not.
In the previous season Ward killed Agent Hand (I think here name was?)
who was about as much of a main character as Tripps is.
Agreed.
Also a couple of people died in the beginning of this season (the woman who touched the obelisk and that other dude).
They were meant to be redshirts.
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I kinda expect to see agents die unheroically on this show, but I can't shrug off the feeling that Trip's death (and demonstrating that Mac may not always be around for Fitz) was "necessary" to set the stage for the "inevitable" Fitz+Simmons relationship.
{still quietly roots for Simmons+Morse relationship}
So for one who's not knowledgable in comics, why did what we see confirm that Skye is an inhuman? other than "she has some power now", what did we learn that is specific to Inhumans?
The Inhumans are descended from the Kree. They are normal humans until exposed to the Terrigen mists, which unlock their Kree genetics and bestow powers on them. We saw this in the show. The ruins have been confirmed as Kree in origin, so we've pretty much got the same thing going on here.
Don't forget that Terrigen mists come from Terrigen crystals, which is what the diviner transformed into before gassing out mist
Also the Terrigen mist doesn't alter humans of non inhuman descent. Hence why Tripp wasn't initially affected.
As for Tripp's death...my understanding is that the actor already had lots of scheduling conflicts related to being on another show. So I would guess that was the biggest reason he was killed off.
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Black Dude Dies First. I had hoped that we were beyond that trope.
Worse, it was a useless, empty death.
Plenty of characters died before him... hack in this very episode Whitehall died. In the previous season Ward killed Agent Hand (I think here name was?) who was about as much of a main character as Tripps is. Also a couple of people died in the beginning of this season (the woman who touched the obelisk and that other dude).
I honestly can't agree with your accusation. You could maybe argue that there isn't really a main black character in the show but of the side good guy character like 2/5 are black or something, so chance of first one to go being black even if chosen at random are fairly high.
I remember the fun accusations that AoS was the "whitest show on TV" in the first season. Because Ming-Na Wen and Chloe Bennet are so amazingly white.
As far as SJWs are concerned, Asian people are just white people from a different part of the world.
Makes it easier to explain why they're totally not an inconsistency in their whole oppression narrative.
I kinda expect to see agents die unheroically on this show,
And this was my problem, Tripp's death should NOT have been unheroic.
Tripp's death was a heroic sacrifice.Not exactly, it's not that he made a deliberate decision to die in order to save others, and after he stopped the bombs there was no need for him to stay in the city any longer. He tragically made it just in time into the chamber where the crystal went off, where he was useless to others and helpless to save himself. He didn't achieve anything in dying. He just bit the bullet.
And as for Tripp...dammit, Joss, stop hitting me in the Wash.Agents of Shield is not a Joss Whedon show.
[Simpsons] must you turn the paizo.com messageboards into a house of lies?! [/Simpsons]
As far as SJWs are concerned, Asian people are just white people from a different part of the world.
Makes it easier to explain why they're totally not an inconsistency in their whole oppression narrative.
there are plenty of white people who prop up Asians as a model minority and put them into the spotlight as such, especially in tv. Green Hornet was possibly the best example.
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As far as SJWs are concerned, Asian people are just white people from a different part of the world.Makes it easier to explain why they're totally not an inconsistency in their whole oppression narrative.
there are plenty of white people who prop up Asians as a model minority and put them into the spotlight as such, especially in tv. Green Hornet was possibly the best example.
Asians are not a minority, but multiple minorities. Asia does stretch from the Urals, Dardanelles, and Suez Canal in the West all the way to the Pacific Ocean and Bering Straight in the East. There are a lot of ethnicities and races in-between.
And you can say the same thing about Europeans / whites, Africans / blacks, etc. We all tend to be lumped into some larger grouping...
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Plenty of characters died before him... hack in this very episode Whitehall died.Black Dude Dies First. I had hoped that we were beyond that trope.
Worse, it was a useless, empty death.
Daniel Whitehall was the villain (and a remarkably unsympathetic one). His death was always foreordained. That he was killed off so early was a surprise - His death was not.
In the previous season Ward killed Agent Hand (I think here name was?)who was about as much of a main character as Tripps is.Agreed.
Also a couple of people died in the beginning of this season (the woman who touched the obelisk and that other dude).They were meant to be redshirts.
So, sure, once you ignore every character death until the death of the first black character, then the black character will always die first. Doesn't have much impact, that.
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Hyde's daughter is Daisy Johnson, who is a member of S.H.I.E.L.D.; her mother was apparently a prostitute with whom Calvin Zabo regularly had 'business',[26] with the girl being put up for adoption after birth. Daisy subsequently manifested superpowers due to Zabo's mutated genetic code being passed on to her.
Doesn't sound Inhuman to me. Technically, not a mutant either, so I suppose I'm wrong as well.
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Daisy Johnson, also known as Quake, is a fictional character appearing in comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by writer Brian Michael Bendis and artist Gabriele Dell'Otto, the character first appeared in Secret War #2 (July 2004). She is a superpowered secret agent of the intelligence organization S.H.I.E.L.D. with the ability to generate earthquakes and is the daughter of the supervillain Mister Hyde. Chloe Bennet portrays a version of the character in the television series Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
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In the comics, Daisy "Quake" Johnson is not an Inhuman. She's a considered a mutant, as her powers are the result of genetic damage to her father, Dr. Calvin "Mr. Hyde" Zabo, passing down to her and giving her a 'mutant' profile.
Also, in the comics, the Terrigen Mists can affect normal humans, and even mutants (and former mutants), as shown in the one-shots after the whole House Of M event, where the Scarlet Witch's depowered mutant (and absolutely batnuts wackadoo) brother Quicksilver used them to repower himself.
I may have considered this a little too much.
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In the comics, Daisy "Quake" Johnson is not an Inhuman. She's a considered a mutant, as her powers are the result of genetic damage to her father, Dr. Calvin "Mr. Hyde" Zabo, passing down to her and giving her a 'mutant' profile.
Also, in the comics, the Terrigen Mists can affect normal humans, and even mutants (and former mutants), as shown in the one-shots after the whole House Of M event, where the Scarlet Witch's depowered mutant (and absolutely batnuts wackadoo) brother Quicksilver used them to repower himself.
I may have considered this a little too much.
Quicksilver had to have surgery to implant the Terrigen crystals in himself in order to make the mists work, though. Ordinary people aren't affected by them.
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I kinda expect to see agents die unheroically on this show,And this was my problem, Tripp's death should NOT have been unheroic.
I don't think it was unheroic. He had no idea WHAT the diviner was doing to Skye, and by damaging it he thought he was helping her. And that was after running around the temple and defusing bombs, one of which was at the very last minute.
So yeah he still went out like a hero, even if his actual cause of death was accidental.
although recent events have revealed that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch might not be mutants after all, so Quicksilver could be an Inhuman after all.
(at the very least Magneto isn't their father)
although recent events have revealed that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch might not be mutants after all, so Quicksilver could be an Inhuman after all.
(at the very least Magneto isn't their father)
So is this Marvel's way of retconning their own history to get around their licenses with Sony and Fox?
What's next, the Fabulous Four, Arachnid-Man and the Ex-Men?
If Marvel does get Spidey back, they're apparently ready to just cut to the chase.
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From Shadowborn's link:
1) Andrew Garfield will be replaced as Peter Parker, and all existing stories will be wiped clean.
2) Marvel will skip an origin story and start their version of Spidey as one that sees Peter already leading a double life
3) The MCU version would put far less focus on the romance angle of Spider-Man as the idea’s already been played out in five other films.
4) An appearance in Civil War is still possible, but as the script is just about finished for the film, the clock is ticking.
1. I don't really have a problem with Garfield as Peter, but I do agree that all existing stories should be wiped clean. And keeping Garfield would just confuse the issue.
2. That's really how it should be done with a superhero who's as popular as Spidey, with an origin story that's as absurdly well-known as his. Superman, Batman, and Spidey's origin stories are well-known enough that there's no need to rehash them again and again everytime each of these franchises renews itself. The one problem with starting him out as established is why he's never been referenced before in any of the other Marvel movies/TV shows/etc. Not a huge problem, but it would kinda make some wonder why Coulson was never sent to meet him, etc.
3. Thank Odin. While Peter's personal life has always been a huge part of the comics, both Sony series have pushed it a bit too much. Especially the Raimi ones...made worse by the fact that Raimi's MJ was such a dour, joyless character. She sucked the life out of every scene that she appeared in (or was mentioned in....which due to Raimi having Peter basically be an obsessive stalker, was virtually every scene in the entire trilogy).
4. Meh. Spidey in the MCU Civil War would seem rushed.
No, they just won't exist as far as MCU is concerned. Not until they get the licenses back.
Spiderman does though, because Sony has no problem working with Marvel. But Fox, as we know, is a bunch of terrible douchebags.
Both Sony and Marvel are generally concerned about how to use characters which they don't completely own the rights to.
Apparently Sony and Marvel were in serious negotiations to have Spidey appear in the Captain America 3. It made it all the way to the top before both studio heads nixed the idea.
So is this Marvel's way of retconning their own history to get around their licenses with Sony and Fox?
What's next, the Fabulous Four, Arachnid-Man and the Ex-Men?
Just wait until Phase 4 and the announcement of these movie analogues of properties not within Marvel studios' purview:
The Unearthly U-Foes!
The Daring Darkhawk!
And... err... the Inhumans 2. (Best substitute for the X-men I could think of in the MCU offhand, especially now.)
1. I don't really have a problem with Garfield as Peter, but I do agree that all existing stories should be wiped clean. And keeping Garfield would just confuse the issue.
2. That's really how it should be done with a superhero who's as popular as Spidey, with an origin story that's as absurdly well-known as his. Superman, Batman, and Spidey's origin stories are well-known enough that there's no need to rehash them again and again everytime each of these franchises renews itself. The one problem with starting him out as established is why he's never been referenced before in any of the other Marvel movies/TV shows/etc. Not a huge problem, but it would kinda make some wonder why Coulson was never sent to meet him, etc.
I am in total agreement with this, and hope that this may happen at some point in the future. I was OK with the new Man of Steel wiping the slate clean in the hopes of better, but Spidey's been rebooted enough with varying origin stories several times. We can totally skip that and have him throw in a few one-liners and I'd be good to go.
There are reports that the Marvel-Sony talks are still on.
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Yeah if the rumors are correct, the Japanese division of Sony has been rather unhappy with how the Spiderman franchise has been handled, and are more supportive of the deal.
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I hope they cast Ted McGinley next.Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Casts Blair Underwood
Well, it's been a nice run. He's killed many a show before.
Dang Freehold; you really have to let this go.
Or I'll ask Joss Whedon to hide under your bed with a loofah....
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I hope they cast Ted McGinley next.Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Casts Blair Underwood
Well, it's been a nice run. He's killed many a show before.
Dang Freehold; you really have to let this go.
Or I'll ask Joss Whedon to hide under your bed with a loofah....
What? He's an excellent actor. Loved him on married with children.