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It appears that the show has finally turned a corner. I was incredibly pleased with this latest episode. Ward's acting was finally decent - with an explanation of why he was so wooden earlier. (Though that is a retcon, since we know that the actor wasn't told until mid-season.) Some of the lines were actually quite clever. I've grown to like Bill Paxton, who I felt was chewing too much scenery in the previous episodes; he's grown on me with his glee for the work. The line about a West Texas cheerleader cracked me up. I also really enjoyed that he didn't want to waste a good one-liner opening. Patton Oswalt was a good addition as well. The show's taking itself less seriously, which is a nice change of pace.

I've settled on the theory that Skye is actually a low-level telepath. Consider how many times they mentioned early on that there were no confirmed telepaths. What if it was a double red herring? Consider how people throw themselves to protect her, even acting out of character (Coulson okay with killing the guards at the hidden bunker). What if it was caused by an unintentional mental enchantment?

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Hama wrote:
Oooh, i loved the episode. It's been really good. Also ** spoiler omitted **

Yes

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no... skye is not a telepath... if she was, she would have detected something is wrong with Ward and not invite the wolf into the nice little secret sheep barn

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i also like that Coulson lost it yesterday... not a good move for a leader, but we can tell he's "reached his BS limit" :)


I loved Clark Gregg's delivery of that speech. Coulson had hit bottom at that point and was praying for a lifeline.

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Thankfully he got it.

I'm anxious to see Quinn's reaction when he opens up "his" gravitonium and it shapes itself into Graviton.

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Yeah, Garrett's running high right now, but I don't see that as lasting.

1) None of those people particularly like him, excepting Ward. He's not doing wonders for earning loyalty, either.

2) Those last few seconds.

3) Garrett didn't send the "Out of the shadows into the light" message. He seems awfully lacadaisical about getting in touch with his HYDRA superiors.

4) Deathlok.

And, you know, he seems to have a need for the rejuvination serum. (Metal kidneys?) He's well on the road to being next season's Centipede-enhanced monster.

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Incidentally, the scene where Skye whines about losing her badge, and then Coulson just pulls his out and drops it on the pile, was really nicely written and acted. Point made.

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DM Barcas wrote:
It appears that the show has finally turned a corner. I was incredibly pleased with this latest episode. Ward's acting was finally decent - with an explanation of why he was so wooden earlier. (Though that is a retcon, since we know that the actor wasn't told until mid-season.)

Yes! Loved the bit where he was talking to Raina. "I thought you weren't her type" and "I'm everybody's type". The man actually can change his facial expression!

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Yeah, Garrett is making liberal uses of his Bluff skill. I think he's being over the top in self-declaring that he was the Clairvoyant (maybe he's the new "live decoy model" for the Clairvoyant... I know bad pun, but essentially, his mission right now could be "open recruiter" for HYDRA, and "keep telling everyone you're the Clairvoyant". I think Brad Dourif is due for a comeback! especially that it was Ward that "shot" him.... he he he)

Layers within layers... but bottom line: Arnim Zola. He's running that show right now, unless Red Skull has found a way out of the cosmic cube (he's been sucked in it right? can't remember the end of Cap 1.... :P )


sucked in, transported by... unknown at this point...

if he was sucked in that'd mean the tesseract is the soul gem...

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Layers within layers... but bottom line: Arnim Zola. He's running that show right now, unless Red Skull has found a way out of the cosmic cube (he's been sucked in it right? can't remember the end of Cap 1.... :P )

I do find it interesting that Fury was able to touch the tesseract without harm.

But, my impression was that the cube killed the Red Skull, especially since Hugo Weaving has expressed his disinterest in reprising the role.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Layers within layers... but bottom line: Arnim Zola. He's running that show right now, unless Red Skull has found a way out of the cosmic cube (he's been sucked in it right? can't remember the end of Cap 1.... :P )

I do find it interesting that Fury was able to touch the tesseract without harm.

But, my impression was that the cube killed the Red Skull, especially since Hugo Weaving has expressed his disinterest in reprising the role.

Fury was wearing gloves. I don't remember if The Red Skull was or not.

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So this is where they start laying the threads for season 2, to turn Agents of SHIELD into the A-Team for the Marvel Universe.

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Oh god, I want Mr T to join the agents of SHIELD as B A Barakus.


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I love how Agents of SHIELD just became Firefly. Clever, Whedon, very clever.

An unlikely group of highly specialized people led by a commanding officer who has a haunted past and recently saw the disintegration of the organization he so long fought for. Then there's the warrior woman who keeps her emotions under wraps. The engineer(s) who keep the bird in the air and the tech flowing and serve as comic relief. And, finally, there's the enigma who the badies are chasing both for what she knows and what she is.

If only Skye had a protective older brother and they leased part of their plane to a geisha....

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Dustin Ashe wrote:
If only Skye had a protective older brother and they leased part of their plane to a geisha....

We dunno what Simmons's hobbies are...


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Dustin Ashe wrote:


If only Skye had a protective older brother and they leased part of their plane to a geisha....

We dunno what Simmons's hobbies are...

Kthulhu, thanks for the laugh. It came at a good time.


Dustin Ashe wrote:

I love how Agents of SHIELD just became Firefly. Clever, Whedon, very clever.

An unlikely group of highly specialized people led by a commanding officer who has a haunted past and recently saw the disintegration of the organization he so long fought for. Then there's the warrior woman who keeps her emotions under wraps. The engineer(s) who keep the bird in the air and the tech flowing and serve as comic relief. And, finally, there's the enigma who the badies are chasing both for what she knows and what she is.

If only Skye had a protective older brother and they leased part of their plane to a geisha....

Well the new guy (Triplett) has medical training and seems like the Papa Wolf / Big Brother archtype. And while he's no Inara, Ward could probably do a passable job as Jayne. We are still short wise older religious gentleman with an unspoken dark past though.


I always interpreted what happened to the Red Skull as being a result of the tesseract teleporting him somewhere. They might not want to use him again right away, but I am skeptical the MCU would kill off on his first appearance. He is one of the most iconic Marvel villains the MCU actually has the rights to use.

Anyway, my current impression is that Hydra might not be terribly unified right now, so I question whether it has a single leader. This is based on the ending of Winter Soldier as well as last nights AOS episode

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I'm sure Strucker will assume control pretty quickly

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Hama wrote:
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Nah, he's too busy creating super powered weapons and / or mind control devices for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch... :)

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MMCJawa wrote:
Anyway, my current impression is that Hydra might not be terribly unified right now, so I question whether it has a single leader. This is based on the ending of Winter Soldier as well as last nights AOS episode

This makes sense. It is a negative consequence of two heads growing to replace the one cut off. Hydra will become more and more fragmented.

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Yes. One must not unify the heads.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Yes. One must not unify the heads.

So, right now, the Zola head has taken a hit with the loss of the Insight Carriers.

But the Strucker head is gaining strength.

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The Zola has not been diminished. It is the all pervasive "body" of the HYDRA upon which all heads are connected.


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As far as AoS goes, Garrett seems to be operating independently from Strucker, if not possibly from other major Shield Hydra deserters. And now he has raided the Fridge and gotten all their goodies

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MMCJawa wrote:
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Good for him! wouldn't it be funny if it is revealed that the was never "officially" admitted into HYDRA! lol! THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY HIM! "ya know, Ward, I saw an opportunity, and took it... that's right! I told those HYDRA suckas that I was now also HYDRA, and those who asked questions, I broke their noses... after a while they stopped asking about my membership card. Did I tell you how I shot that guy with a flare gun? I did? huh... ya sure?"

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Did anyone else appreciate the irony of the 'barbershop chair elevator'?

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MMCJawa wrote:

I always interpreted what happened to the Red Skull as being a result of the tesseract teleporting him somewhere. They might not want to use him again right away, but I am skeptical the MCU would kill off on his first appearance. He is one of the most iconic Marvel villains the MCU actually has the rights to use.

Word on the street however, is that the actor wasn't particularly keen on revisiting the part, so Skull may indeed have been Killed Off For Real. Zola himself is now on that perma-dead list as well, since his conciousness was stuck inside that old computer complex that was blown up by Hydra. Strucker's main rival at this point, is the Garrett-Ward teamup, assuming of course Madam Hydra doesn't make an appearance.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Did anyone else appreciate the irony of the 'barbershop chair elevator'?

Captain? Please explain.


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LazarX wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:

I always interpreted what happened to the Red Skull as being a result of the tesseract teleporting him somewhere. They might not want to use him again right away, but I am skeptical the MCU would kill off on his first appearance. He is one of the most iconic Marvel villains the MCU actually has the rights to use.

Word on the street however, is that the actor wasn't particularly keen on revisiting the part, so Skull may indeed have been Killed Off For Real. Zola himself is now on that perma-dead list as well, since his consciousness was stuck inside that old computer complex that was blown up by Hydra. Strucker's main rival at this point, is the Garrett-Ward teamup, assuming of course Madam Hydra doesn't make an appearance.

That just means recasting, which they have already done for Bruce Banner and War Machine. I don't think Marvel would hesitate for a second in bringing back Red Skull if they needed him or wanted to use him.

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Hell, within the MCU this has already happened. As of Iron Man 3, the Mandarin was suppose to be a fake figurehead to drum up arms sales, with Adrian Killrich the "real" Mandarin. Except that the most recent Marvel short, focused on Trevor, reveals that there is actually a real Mandarin in charge of the real 10 rings from the first Iron Man, and he is not terribly pleased people have been using his name


Hama wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Did anyone else appreciate the irony of the 'barbershop chair elevator'?
Captain? Please explain.

The Man From UNCLE.

Or the Girl.

Or both.

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MMCJawa wrote:

That just means recasting, which they have already done for Bruce Banner and War Machine. I don't think Marvel would hesitate for a second in bringing back Red Skull if they needed him or wanted to use him.

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I agree 100% especially that since they did his "human face" origin story already, this would mean they could basically "recast" the Red Skull with the janitor down the hall and CGI his facial expression if he sucks at it...


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Blayde MacRonan wrote:
Four more episodes after the new one until the season is done, so it should be one helluva ride from here on out.
Season Finale or Series Finale?

As of this moment ABC has yet to announce ANY season renewals.

Pretty sure they won't for a while but I have no doubt the show will be returning.
Ratings indicate they have reached who they wanted to reach and the show has outperformed every network except CBS (at least until the Voice began airing... but last week in the 9pm slot when they weren't against the Voice they retook that position.)
The show is regarded as one of the reasons for Capt. America's record breaking April opening weekend as well. They aren't likely to give up that advantage.
Though I have to admit I was surprised there was not an Agents of SHIELD trailer attached to the film. It's rare to do that for a TV show but it has happened and I kind of expected it given the relevance to the story.

Also of note: There was an article post on Whedonesque about the "format of Season 2" which noted that a mini-series for Agent Carter (of CA:TFA & the IronMan3 BR-1shot) was in the works and might be used as a mid-season filler during the next season of SHIELD. Again, still not announced or confirmed... but worthy of note to anyone doubting the probability of another season.

Regarding Skye...
She's not a telepath or anything else... yet. I do tend to lean toward the theory that we she "turns" she's likely to have a psychic ability because they've put SO MUCH EMPHASIS on explaining their are no psychics... but it'll probably go another way exactly because they've been leading us with that line all along.

Regarding Garret:
Did anyone else catch that moment when he was putting on his turtleneck and they briefly showed that metal plate attached to half his abdomen? Looks like there's more to connect him with his 616 counterpart after all. Of course, the 616 Garrett was a member of Zodiac , which especially interesting now that I've gotten to see the...

Agent Carter spoiler:
Agent Carter one shot where they make it pretty plain that Zodiac was highly active as a nemesis of SHIELD after Cap was lost.


Spiral_Ninja wrote:
Hama wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Did anyone else appreciate the irony of the 'barbershop chair elevator'?
Captain? Please explain.

The Man From UNCLE.

Or the Girl.

Or both.

While those series may have inspired it, the barbershop HQ of SHIELD is an actual thing from the comic books.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Spiral_Ninja wrote:
Hama wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Did anyone else appreciate the irony of the 'barbershop chair elevator'?
Captain? Please explain.

The Man From UNCLE.

Or the Girl.

Or both.

While those series may have inspired it, the barbershop HQ of SHIELD is an actual thing from the comic books.

That's what I was thinking of. (It shows up in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes too.)

I was kind of amused that Hydra had, in addition to stealing all of their stuff, stolen the barbershop enterance too.


DM Barcas wrote:
The line about a West Texas cheerleader cracked me up.

I missed that. What was said?

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Garrett says this after a soldier gives him the double fist pump "Hail HYDRA!" It does look like a cheerleading pose, and Garrett's the perfect guy to call out how stupid the salute looks.


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So when do you think Garret going to say 'Game over Man!' ?


So ether when they shoot him or when he sees a real life alien;)


Downside here is that we seem to be setting up for another "We have to save Skye!" episode already. Seems a little soon.

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So, if she gets seduced to play on Hydra's side, do we get to cry "The Sky is falling! The Sky is falling!"??

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Or, the upside is that the episode goes from "We have to save Skye!" to "Skye has to save herself," which would be a much more interesting episode.


I wonder if we'll ever see a hapless Hydra agent named Bob.

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Kalshane wrote:
I wonder if we'll ever see a hapless Hydra agent named Bob.

What was the name of the "West Texas Cheerleader of Hydra"?

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Kalshane wrote:
I wonder if we'll ever see a hapless Hydra agent named Bob.
What was the name of the "West Texas Cheerleader of Hydra"?

Maybe. His last name is Kaminski.

hail hydra


Best part of tonight's episode

May's Mom

lmao

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Greylurker wrote:

Best part of tonight's episode

May's Mom

lmao

department H i guess? :)


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

Best part of tonight's episode

May's Mom

lmao

department H i guess? :)

Don't think so. They showed her Pennsylvania license plate in close up and she mentioned that she drove for 5 hours (although driving for 5 hours is not hard to do within Ontario).

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Awesome episode, I'm really enjoying Evil Ward. He's fun. Also, if Skye can't save herself somehow when she gets to pick the battlefield, I'd be deeply disappointed in her.

And I'm betting on May's mom being CIA. She seems the type.

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