CoI+Monastic Legacy


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Question
How does Champion of Irori effect the Monastic Legacy feat?

The CoI says that it stacks with Monk levels when determining unarmed strike damage, but Monastic Legacy specifically states that all Non-Monk levels stack with monk levels when determining unarmed strike damage. Does this mean that each level of Champion of Irori counts as 1.5 levels of Monk for damage? It seems so RAW

Note:I am not trying to make a cheese build that hinges on RAW with this, and I do understand that this isn't RAI. I was just curious if this works with the CoI I am building that is taking the feat either way. I sincerely doubt it will, but sometimes the rules work strangely.


I think a "common sense" view is to treat any stacking levels as monk levels.

Shadow Lodge

Mojorat wrote:
I think a "common sense" view is to treat any stacking levels as monk level

And I agree, but my common sense says that if you have 4 arms, you should be able to wield 2 weapons that require 2 hands to wield and My common sense has flaws in it. I am just wondering if it works RAW, or if it doesn't. Again not trying to cheese build anything, but want to make sure my CoI is getting everything he gets.


All non-monk levels stack with monk levels for unarmed damage. Champion of Irori levels already stack with monk levels. So, they, really really stack?

Thing stack or they don't. There's no double stacking--nothing about either suggests they'd stack twice. They already stack so the fact that they stack with Monastic Legacy is irrelevant.

Shadow Lodge

However, the Monastic Legacy wording says

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Monastic Legacy (Combat)

Your formal unarmed training continues to bolster your training in other areas.
Prerequisites: Still mind class feature, Improved Unarmed Strike.
Benefit: Add half the levels you have in classes other than monk to your monk level to determine your effective monk level for your base unarmed strike damage. This feat does not make levels in classes other than monk count toward any other monk class features.

Which Means that you would RAW get 1.5 levels of Monk damage per level. No?


How about:
stacking doesn't stack since it's the same thing (stacking) and the same things don't stack -- you just take the better of the two.

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jerrys wrote:

How about:

stacking doesn't stack since it's the same thing (stacking) and the same things don't stack -- you just take the better of the two.

Well, the monastic legacy doesn't say that half your levels that aren't monk stack, it says you add them. A semantics thing, but according to the wording, RAW it seems to work.

Just restating, I am NOT trying to make a cheesy RAW build, but want to make sure that, if this is abuse, it never sees game play, and if it is legal, my character (that has the feat anyway) can get everything he should be getting.


ArmouredMonk13 wrote:
However, the Monastic Legacy wording says
Ultimate Combat wrote:

Monastic Legacy (Combat)

Your formal unarmed training continues to bolster your training in other areas.
Prerequisites: Still mind class feature, Improved Unarmed Strike.
Benefit: Add half the levels you have in classes other than monk to your monk level to determine your effective monk level for your base unarmed strike damage. This feat does not make levels in classes other than monk count toward any other monk class features.
Which Means that you would RAW get 1.5 levels of Monk damage per level. No?

In that case, yeah, looks like RAW fails again.

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