Hey all,
STR - 7 (-2)
DEX - 15 (+2)
CON - 13 (+1)
INT - 18 (+4)
WIS - 10 (+0)
CHA - 9 (-1)
I'm a male Elf Wizard and I made my character with PCGen. One thing I'm having a hard time figuring out is my attack bonus for my quarterstaff if I attacked with both ends.
My character sheet from PCGen shows that my total attack bonus for the quarterstaff is -10/-10. I know TWF gives a -6/-10 penalty to attacks, but can someone help me understand where the other -4 is coming from? It's been wrecking my brain for over an hour now and I'm going crazy, haha.
*EDIT*: I'm not wearing any armor either.
P.S. I'm currently carrying a medium load, so my armor check penalty is -3, if that helps at all (which I don't think it does).
PCGen does not compute attack bonuses for double weapons/twf very well (if at all)
But this is not really a rules question.
If you want to compute your attack bonus it is BAB-8 for the primary and BAB-12 for the off hand.
Actually, the penalty for fighting with two weapons when the off-hand weapon is light (which is effectively the case when you use double-ended weapons like the quarterstaff) is -4/-8. See page 202 of the Core Rulebook for the chart on TWF penalties. You also have a STR modifier of -2, which is applied to all melee attacks giving you a total of -6/-10.
I still don't have an explanation for where the additional -4 would be coming from on your first attack...you don't have your wizard equipped with armor, do you? Wizards aren't proficient in any armor, meaning you would apply your check penalty to all attacks. Or if you use a weapon you're not proficient with, you would apply a -4 to all attacks. But a should be proficient with a quarterstaff.
Regardless, your chance of hitting anything while attacking with both ends of the staff are awful either way. You're better off just limiting yourself to attacking with one end and avoiding the TWF penalties when you have to be in melee.
I do not have any armor equipped.
I also do not plan on attacking with the staff ever, but just for my information I wanted to know if all the numbers were correct.
Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
As Kloyraut suggested, you are better off just equipping the staff in one hand. This will give more realistic attack bonuses, and is less likely to hit whatever issue you're seeing. Does it get the single hand attack bonus right? (This should be just -2, as far as I can see).
I use PCGen quite a bit, and have seen some weirdness with certain weapons, but very rarely around two weapon fighting - are you using the latest version of the app and data files? Or one of the stable versions?
Well the issue isn't about me actually attacking with it, it's about figuring out how the attack penalty is calculated. I already stated that I'm not planning on attacking with it, rather, I'm really *really* curious as to why it's -10/-10. When it is in a single hand, it does get the -2 penalty.
I'm using PCGen 6.00.1
Is it factoring in the armor check pen from encumbrance maybe?
Prehaps the programer forgot to make wizards proficient with a quarterstaff as a double weapon? Wrongly giving a -4 non proficiency penalty would fit perfectly math wise.
Try changing it to another double weapon and see if it stays the same or increases..
I also tried making my STR 10 (+0), and the penalty went down to -8/-8.
At this point, my brain is kind of fried and I can't begin to think of all the numbers. Does a Longspear count as a double weapon?
n0ah wrote: Does a Longspear count as a double weapon? No. It's a reach weapon.
other double weapons = two-bladed sword, dwarven urgrosh, gnome hooked hammer, dire flail, orc double axe
honestly, it just sounds like the generator is spitting out the wrong numbers
The two-weapon fighting modifiers are actually calculated by the output sheet, rather than the main program. Using the Fantasy_Character_Sheet.html character sheet gives -6/-10, for example.
I'll send an e-mail to the OS folks to see what's up.
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There is a trouble shooting character sheet, but I am assuming it thinks you are going to do two weapon fighting. So it is apply those penalties believe....
Thanks for all your replies by the way... it's given me a little peace of mind. :P Haha, it's these small details that drive me insane. I know my character is never going to do any real combat with the quarterstaff, but I'm the kind of person who wants to know where all my scores and what not came from. :)
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n0ah wrote: Hey all,
STR - 7 (-2)
DEX - 15 (+2)
CON - 13 (+1)
INT - 18 (+4)
WIS - 10 (+0)
CHA - 9 (-1)
I'm a male Elf Wizard and I made my character with PCGen. One thing I'm having a hard time figuring out is my attack bonus for my quarterstaff if I attacked with both ends.
My character sheet from PCGen shows that my total attack bonus for the quarterstaff is -10/-10. I know TWF gives a -6/-10 penalty to attacks, but can someone help me understand where the other -4 is coming from? It's been wrecking my brain for over an hour now and I'm going crazy, haha.
*EDIT*: I'm not wearing any armor either.
P.S. I'm currently carrying a medium load, so my armor check penalty is -3, if that helps at all (which I don't think it does).
Your base BAB is zero, you've got a -2 from strength, and with your lousy strength, maybe the last -2 is from being overly encumbered? Did you remember that your coinage also factors into encumbrance?
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