A Heroes of Redemption book possible?


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I would like to see a book about that would help players to play character on the path redemption. It could include also playing races that normaly evil.

Anybody else would like this book?

Sczarni

Redemption is one of the themes of wrath of the righteous (IIRC it may even include rules for redemption points or something somewhere accrding to some of the interviews)

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Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Redemption is one of the themes of wrath of the righteous (IIRC it may even include rules for redemption points or something somewhere accrding to some of the interviews)

There are rules for redemption in the FREE WotR Player's Guide. IIRC, they originally appeared in Champions of Purity.

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I was *gonna* say, 'I'm not sure we are ready for this / This might be too niche,' but then I remembered that we've had some pretty 'niche' concepts, like sandbox kingdom-building or mythic adventures or army-building / mass combat stuff go wide and gloriously so.

Redemption is certainly a powerful theme, and not one I'd care to neglect, as it plays to the very heart of making alignment a meaningful thing in the game setting, and not just a mechanical descriptor for who gets to smite what.

(I'm on the fence about whether alignment should exist at all, but since it does, it should abso-freaking-lutely mean something, and moral issues like redemption are number 1 with a bullet in making them mean something. I think the *last* thing the game needs is for alignment to exist 'just because,' but for it to never be actually explored or used as a story element.)


Rasputin Must Die and that one book about other planets both sold well.

I see no reason why they couldn't make another risky move and get a win out of it.

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You edited your post before I replied, and now my clever joke about 'shooting canon' doesn't make any sense.

Curses! Foiled again!

And yeah, like I said, my initial thought was silly, in light of how popular some of their other 'niche' ideas have turned out.


You're still allowed to go for it, since the interpretation of Orcs on Golarion remains a concern for me.

Silver Crusade

John Kretzer wrote:
Anybody else would like this book?

:)

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Icyshadow wrote:
You're still allowed to go for it, since the interpretation of Orcs on Golarion remains a concern for me.

As with so many books before it, it has earned the Ire of Jacobs for introducing the concept of orcish pantheist clerics with six Domains (one more than the 'real gods' like Pharasma). The crack has appeared in its foundation. Perhaps soon it too shall be reduced to un-canon, like the Juju oracle.

Now that it is weakened and bleeding, we circle in the shadows, knives glistening.

I'm a big fan of a lot of traditionally evil races, although I'm not in love with the idea of just arbitrarily making them good (since that kind of nullifies the whole point of redemption, IMO, just as tons of Eilistraee worshipping 'good Drow' kind of made all the crap Drizzt went through seem like a whole load of whining).

Gnolls are my favorite, but I wouldn't mind seeing guidelines for Duergar that have abandoned the way of Droskar, or even unusual races like Dark Folk (most of whom aren't even evil, anyway, even if their leaders are) or Bugbears.

I'm glad that Golarion has room for places like Kaer Maga, where 'not human' (or, in Ankar-Te, even 'not alive!') doesn't always mean 'insert sword for 1,600 XP.'

Silver Crusade

Set wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:
You're still allowed to go for it, since the interpretation of Orcs on Golarion remains a concern for me.

As with so many books before it, it has earned the Ire of Jacobs for introducing the concept of orcish pantheist clerics with six Domains (one more than the 'real gods' like Pharasma). The crack has appeared in its foundation. Perhaps soon it too shall be reduced to un-canon, like the Juju oracle.

Now that it is weakened and bleeding, we circle in the shadows, knives glistening.

Apparently a certain half-orc's consensual and loving parentage and hopefully(especially after Erik Mona's words about it) Bastards of Golarion have taken two more bites out of it.

Soon.


Then all that's left is trying to redeem an ogre.

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Mikaze wrote:

Apparently a certain half-orc's consensual and loving parentage and hopefully(especially after Erik Mona's words about it) Bastards of Golarion have taken two more bites out of it.

Soon.

One of the biggest problems with orcs getting along with folk near Belkzen is that they willingly served in the armies of Tar-Baphon. Memories are gonna run long in Ustalav on that score.

Still, in the Realms of the Mammoth Lords, where the 'real enemy' is either the Worldwound on one side or Irrisen on the other, the tough megafauna-loving 'barbarians' might find the rough-and-tumble orcs to be more kindred spirits than anything else.

Both nations consider Rovagug among the most respected and popular gods, so they certainly have that in common (and Gorum is making inroads in Belkzen, IIRC, which would add a second point of agreement to a potential Mammoth Lord / Belkzeni pairing).

We still have no idea how orcs are regarded in Casmaron. Surrounding the Pit of Gormuz, I would *assume* they exist in vast numbers, and perhaps be Casmaron's greatest threat. But, given that Qadira enslaves and tames both elementals and ogres for use in its own armies, it certainly would be no surprise at all to find out that orcs serve in the armies of Casmaron, and that some of them go on to become free citizens of the empire, after having served their tours, and settle down and raise families and pay their taxes and, ever so slowly, are accepted by their neighbors as 'those darn orcs next door' and not, 'Ahhh, monsters! Call the watch!'

'Qasim? He *is* the watch...'


Considering the backstory of the Minotaurs got shifted from Azlant to Iblydos, I wonder how they fare there.

That said, they don't seem to have any permanent residence on Avistan that I'd be aware of aside from one in Absalom.

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