Need ideas on how to improve the Fly Skill!


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Shadow Lodge

I plan on using a Half Orc paladin with the feat Beast Rider in PFS. I have the idea of skill focus fly, Acrobatics and the heavyload belt in order that my mount be able to carry me. I will have to use a feat to open the belt slot in order to do this in PFS.

Is there a better magic Item than skill focus fly and acrobatics that I can use? The magic Item slots open to me are: Armor, belt, chest, eyes, headband, neck, ring, and wrist. Most of the levels the Pteranodon will have with the fly skill are not above 9; Therefore, the ten or more ranks effect of the skill focus fly and acrobatics feats will not kick in till twelfth level.

The Pteranodon has an aerial maneuverability of clumsy. That means a -8 to the fly skill. The bird is size large and add on a -2 for that for a total of -10. That is a hefty negative modifier to be able to fly. Which is why I am asking for your help.

Edit: Sorry, I had "beastlord belt" instead of heavy load belt.

Grand Lodge

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ShadowDax wrote:


The Pteranodon has an aerial maneuverability of clumsy. That means a -8 to the fly skill. The bird is size large and add on a -2 for that for a total of -10. That is a hefty negative modifier to be able to fly. Which is why I am asking for your help.

Edit: Sorry, I had "beastlord belt" instead of heavy load belt.

Pteranodons were not great fliers, thems just the nature of the beast.. You want maneuverability, you want a raptor of some kind.


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Are there items or feats that improve the Pteranodon's maneuverability?

And exactly what does the beastlord belt do for your pteranadon? Is it something that a belt that boosts strength and dexterity might do better?

Alternatively, you could boost your Use Magic Device skill as high as possible and get a wand of Ant Haul. In a home game, you could instead see if one of your allied spellcasters would be willing to cast that spell and/or Overland Flight on your mount.


1) To be clear, your character does not need, nor have the ability to take the fly skill - that is for the pteranodon. Your character needs the ride skill.

2) Padded barding made of the special material Griffon Mane?

Shadow Lodge

David knott 242 wrote:
Are there items or feats that improve the Pteranodon's maneuverability?

That is a very good question. As far as I know there is nothing in Pathfinder that can to this. It would be wonderful if there was something that could improve its maneuverability.

David knott 242 wrote:
And exactly what does the beastlord belt do for your pteranadon? Is it something that a belt that boosts strength and dexterity might do better?

It is the heavy load belt. Sorry about the confusion.

David knott 242 wrote:

Alternatively, you could boost your Use Magic Device skill as high as possible and get a wand of Ant Haul. In a home game, you could instead see if one of your allied spellcasters would be willing to cast that spell and/or Overland Flight on your mount.

I don't know who will be at most of the tables I will play at in Pfs. I think depending on others to do this would not work. More than likely no one will be able to cast Ant Haul. I will have my UMD maxed out with Dangerously Curious as a half feat but in Pfs all wands and the like are at the least caster level.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I don't think that your mount can use a belt item.


Wingover and Hover are monster feats which improve a flier's maneuverability. Also, Stable Gallop makes ranged attacks and concentration checks while mounted easier. Now, clearly Stable Gallop is intended for quadrupeds and not fliers, but it doesn't have quadruped as a prerequisite like the animal feat Sure Footed does.

Ask your GM if you can spend some of your downtime retraining your mounts starting feat to one of these.

Grand Lodge

How'd you get a pteranadon in PFS as a paladin mount?

Shadow Lodge

Madclaw wrote:
How'd you get a pteranadon in PFS as a paladin mount?

Beast Rider feat out of the advanced race guide. I believe the additional resources allow this feat to be used.

Shadow Lodge

LazarX wrote:
I don't think that your mount can use a belt item.

You're right, with the ownership of animal archive I can get a feat that allows the use of a belt. From the ideas I read here, the feat skill focus fly, wingover, and the feat that allows an expanded magic items slot for my mount are the three defeats I am using. All that is allowed from the additional resources.

Shadow Lodge

Lurk3r wrote:

Wingover and Hover are monster feats which improve a flier's maneuverability. Also, Stable Gallop makes ranged attacks and concentration checks while mounted easier. Now, clearly Stable Gallop is intended for quadrupeds and not fliers, but it doesn't have quadruped as a prerequisite like the animal feat Sure Footed does.

Ask your GM if you can spend some of your downtime retraining your mounts starting feat to one of these.

This is great stuff, thanks for the advice.

Shadow Lodge

pad300 wrote:

1) To be clear, your character does not need, nor have the ability to take the fly skill - that is for the pteranodon. Your character needs the ride skill.

2) Padded barding made of the special material Griffon Mane?

Sorry pad300, I missed your thread. Is there any other clothing that I can use to give my mount Griffon Mane clothing? Padded barding sure is weak. Yes, sorry about the confusion, the fly skill is about my mount using it. It is not about me using the fly skill.

Shadow Lodge

Do you think I could just give my mount a non-magical cloak of Griffon Mane?

Grand Lodge

You may want to check with someone because last time I checked a warhorse was the only available option as a paladin mount in PFS for medium sized characters without a specific boon.

Shadow Lodge

Madclaw wrote:
You may want to check with someone because last time I checked a warhorse was the only available option as a paladin mount in PFS for medium sized characters without a specific boon.

The feat beast rider is legal in PFS. It is a Racial feat for half orcs out of the advanced race guide. Henceforth, I plan on using the Pteranodon. It has a -10 to it's fly check. I'm trying to think out-of-the-box how to increase its fly skill. This is all according to the additional resources That beast writer is legal.

Grand Lodge

Ok. I just wanted to be sure. There's been a lot of limiting factors on animal companions, mounts, familiars and what-not in recent years and I just didn't want you to take the feat and then not be able to use your mount.

Sczarni

After you figure out how to get the critter off the ground, you should totally take Death From Above. For either it, or yourself, or both.

Shadow Lodge

Nefreet wrote:
After you figure out how to get the critter off the ground, you should totally take Death From Above. For either it, or yourself, or both.

Death from above is really awesome. Thanks for the suggestion. I gather if I'm in Aeriel combat or for whatever reason I am not charging from above I use the standard bonuses.

The feats for my mount starting out at seventh level are skill focus fly, wingover, and the feat that opens a belt slot from the animal archive. The belt will be the heavy load belt. That way I can carry others too. Wingover is golden since, I am charging every round, ride by attack from me.

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