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And this is a perfect demonstration of how the Paizo forums are different. You have to be crazy to think that the majority of posters around here aren't openly hostile to Christianity. It always makes me cringe when such unadulterated hate gets spewed against people I don't even agree with. It's like people can't just be civil about the topic.I find it hilarious that you feel the need to do that. As if right wing fundamentalist Christians are some kind of oppressed minority who need to show solidarity.
You have your own news station. The most widely viewed one in the US.
"openly hostile to Christianity"? Really.
I think creationism is nonsense and rejecting evolution is at best willful ignorance.
I think that being anti-LGBTQ is bigoted and harmful.
Is that openly hostile to Christianity? Because it's gotten me accused of it.I also know that there are plenty of Christians who agree with me on both of those.
I've met more than my fair share of folk who believe that simple disagreement is equivalent to oppression. Of course, this view point should go both ways, but for some reason is always means that they are the ones being oppressed if someone else disagrees with them. It's quite baffling to see it in person (on forums it's a bit more understanding, as people tend to read the parts they want and interpret the tone how they want).
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And this way of thinking (disagreement=oppression) seems to be becoming more prevalent. Its troubling, to say the least.
I've never bought a Paizo book :)
I've never bought a third party, Pathfinder related book.
I don't care for Spaceballs.
I don't care for Spaceballs.
Get the f%+# out then:-D
I'm kidding, of course:-)
I like spoofs of Star Wars and Star Trek more then the actual source material, but then this is the guy with the Weird Al YouTube playlist on his bookmarks bar, not just a folder but the bar for easy access :-)
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I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)
I've never watched any of the Godfather movies...
I've never bought a third party, Pathfinder related book.
No worries. I'll make my own RPG eventually to tap the market that you represent :D
Neither have I, Goodfellas and Casino are two of my favorite movies tho:-)
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I've never bought a third party, Pathfinder related book.
I used to say the same thing with Dungeons and Dragons, then I discovered this delightful 3pp named Paizo...
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Disagreement isn't hostility or oppression.
Responding to an opinion with a page full of "bwahaha" ad nauseam repeated and nothing else to say in an effort to state such an opinion is not only laughable, but unworthy of response, both in an obviously mocking tone and dismissiveness of one's future opinions by "adding to a list" very much is, and is right about par for the course.
I've seen people suggest that certain groups should be treated as equals but yet refuse to discard their opinions that certain behavior actions were immoral (yet still insist upon treating those people equally) who have their throats jumped down for even saying that much.
I've never seen a thread locked for bringing up a left wing topic, but I sure have seen it happen in under a page for a right winger.
...and don't give me that "well that's because they're trying to keep in on topic." Succubus in a Grapple is in the Rules Questions forum still, and it hasn't been a rules question since page 1. It's just dozens of pages of innuendo jokes. FaWtL has no discernable topic. I can point out dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads that go off topic and keep going. It's not until the argument gets personal or someone brings up a right-wing non-economic point (which ALWAYS leads to a personal attack) that feathers get ruffled and locks happen.
*Adds thegreenbeltgamer to The List*
I won't say what the list is for tho, ALL MINE!!!
FaWtL has a topic, Forums are way too long, it's a test case to see how long exactly is too long :-)
Morally repugnant opinions are not entitled to respect.
Edit: Slightly nicer phrasing.
And do you really want to shut down FaWtL and unleash the insanity contained within unto the general forum population, I bet we could derail half the rules forums just with talking about our kids :-)
Not to mention the pet stories, food stories, naked dragons, worshipping European mattresses... if you thought the Korean spammers were bad... :-D
And that's just the stuff I post on FaWtL:-)
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Generally speaking, isn't moral repugnancy subjective to each individual? Who gets to make the decision?
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I will be The Decider
Just so long as there's power, I'm hungry for power, but don't worry I won't let it go to my head...
Well, that's good enough for me.
....mmmmmmm....highly communicable disease....
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Come on, now you're giving Ebola a bad name associating it with politics :-)
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That is actually pretty hilarious. Both sides seem to think there's no such thing as moral relativism, except in regard to the things the OTHER side thinks is immoral. I'll leave out examples - I think you're creative enough to know exactly what I'm talking about.
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And this way of thinking (disagreement=oppression) seems to be becoming more prevalent. Its troubling, to say the least.
In my opinion, at least some of that is the way it is handled. Especially on the internet.
In person I can have a discussion, even a heated discussion, on a topic such as E vs C and can expect it to be civilized and at least semi-rational.
On the internet, I can almost guarantee it won't be civilized and won't be rational (by either side). It will be full of viscous personal attacks as well as multiple people jumping in with walls of text to try and drown out anyone that disagrees with them. (I've seen at least a few cases on these boards where someone was posting with multiple aliases just to make it look like it was a bunch of people.)
If it doesn't get locked will probably eventually devolve into actual threats.
While agree that it is not, at times, that can certainly feel like oppression to some.
So now, even if I have a well thought out, reasonable, and supported decision; I won't get involved because it won't make any difference and I will at best be ignored. But most likely I will be vilified for disagreeing with some 'obviously' perfect point of view.
...and don't give me that "well that's because they're trying to keep in on topic." Succubus in a Grapple is in the Rules Questions forum still, and it hasn't been a rules question since page 1. It's just dozens of pages of innuendo jokes. FaWtL has no discernable topic. I can point out dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads that go off topic and keep going. It's not until the argument gets personal or someone brings up a right-wing non-economic point (which ALWAYS leads to a personal attack) that feathers get ruffled and locks happen
Its pretty rare to find a white wing "point" that isn't a thinly veiled ad hom and insult.
Is... Is it Tea?
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Tickets! Get your tickets here!! Doesn't matter who's right! The audience is the one to suffer, the first hundred people get Nora Virus to help them cope!
Is that sort of similar to using the appellation 'white wing' or do standards of civility not apply equally?...and don't give me that "well that's because they're trying to keep in on topic." Succubus in a Grapple is in the Rules Questions forum still, and it hasn't been a rules question since page 1. It's just dozens of pages of innuendo jokes. FaWtL has no discernable topic. I can point out dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads that go off topic and keep going. It's not until the argument gets personal or someone brings up a right-wing non-economic point (which ALWAYS leads to a personal attack) that feathers get ruffled and locks happenIts pretty rare to find a white wing "point" that isn't a thinly veiled ad hom and insult.
Just a typo while I'm hopped up on cold medicine. Don't read into it. (that's the lefts thing, they'll sue!)
And this way of thinking (disagreement=oppression) seems to be becoming more prevalent. Its troubling, to say the least.In my opinion, at least some of that is the way it is handled. Especially on the internet.
In person I can have a discussion, even a heated discussion, on a topic such as E vs C and can expect it to be civilized and at least semi-rational.
On the internet, I can almost guarantee it won't be civilized and won't be rational (by either side). It will be full of viscous personal attacks as well as multiple people jumping in with walls of text to try and drown out anyone that disagrees with them. (I've seen at least a few cases on these boards where someone was posting with multiple aliases just to make it look like it was a bunch of people.)
If it doesn't get locked will probably eventually devolve into actual threats.While agree that it is not, at times, that can certainly feel like oppression to some.
So now, even if I have a well thought out, reasonable, and supported decision; I won't get involved because it won't make any difference and I will at best be ignored. But most likely I will be vilified for disagreeing with some 'obviously' perfect point of view.
As succinctly summed up by Penny Arcade. (NSFW) (When in doubt, always assume Penny Arcade is NSFW =P)
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...and don't give me that "well that's because they're trying to keep in on topic." Succubus in a Grapple is in the Rules Questions forum still, and it hasn't been a rules question since page 1. It's just dozens of pages of innuendo jokes. FaWtL has no discernable topic. I can point out dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads that go off topic and keep going. It's not until the argument gets personal or someone brings up a right-wing non-economic point (which ALWAYS leads to a personal attack) that feathers get ruffled and locks happenIts pretty rare to find a white wing "point" that isn't a thinly veiled ad hom and insult.
For the most part you're right. I'd say about, eh, 70% or so of that's true.
I'd point out some examples otherwise, but I'm dangerously close to making you people think I'm a conservative republican or some other such nonsense right winger, and I can't be having with that.
No death penalty! Legalize weed!! Tax the living crap out of anyone who makes a million a year or more and give it to people below the poverty line!!!
I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)
I find this intensely hypocritical...
...and don't give me that "well that's because they're trying to keep in on topic." Succubus in a Grapple is in the Rules Questions forum still, and it hasn't been a rules question since page 1. It's just dozens of pages of innuendo jokes. FaWtL has no discernable topic. I can point out dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads that go off topic and keep going. It's not until the argument gets personal or someone brings up a right-wing non-economic point (which ALWAYS leads to a personal attack) that feathers get ruffled and locks happenIts pretty rare to find a white wing "point" that isn't a thinly veiled ad hom and insult.For the most part you're right. I'd say about, eh, 70% or so of that's true.
I'd point out some examples otherwise, but I'm dangerously close to making you people think I'm a conservative republican or some other such nonsense right winger, and I can't be having with that.
No death penalty! Legalize weed!! Tax the living crap out of anyone who makes a million a year or more and give it to people below the poverty line!!!
Perhaps a "Devil's Advocate" alias would help...?
I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)I find this intensely hypocritical...
I find that alias to look a frickin' like Nick Cage.
I find that alias to look a frickin' like Nick Cage.I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)I find this intensely hypocritical...
Anybody have a GOOD script I can use...?
I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)I find this intensely hypocritical...
You're not my supervisor!!!!!
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Too many times, on politics or really most topics, people tend to take disagreement as a personal insult that can only be fixed by bathing in the tears or blood of the opposing point. The internet just makes it worse.
That said, things here are a bit better than other places I frequent, where not thinking "Obummer" is the height of insulting humor and saying anything vaguely liberal is a good way to get banned.
I just shrug and complain to my wife and otherwise don't get bent out of shape by Words on the Screen. Someone disagreed with me! Oh no! Everyone has the right to be wrong. :)
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Perhaps a "Devil's Advocate" alias would help...?...and don't give me that "well that's because they're trying to keep in on topic." Succubus in a Grapple is in the Rules Questions forum still, and it hasn't been a rules question since page 1. It's just dozens of pages of innuendo jokes. FaWtL has no discernable topic. I can point out dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads that go off topic and keep going. It's not until the argument gets personal or someone brings up a right-wing non-economic point (which ALWAYS leads to a personal attack) that feathers get ruffled and locks happenIts pretty rare to find a white wing "point" that isn't a thinly veiled ad hom and insult.For the most part you're right. I'd say about, eh, 70% or so of that's true.
I'd point out some examples otherwise, but I'm dangerously close to making you people think I'm a conservative republican or some other such nonsense right winger, and I can't be having with that.
No death penalty! Legalize weed!! Tax the living crap out of anyone who makes a million a year or more and give it to people below the poverty line!!!
That's lawful propaganda. If anyone would be likely to provide the contrary point of view simply for the point of stirring up an argument that will inevitably have no positive conclusion and sew chaos, I posit it would be a demon, not a devil. We're just as intelligent, if not more so than devils. Their ability to "organize", or rather rely upon others because they're too weak to handle things themselves is contrary to the very idea of the advocate position for the purpose of providing a contrary view.
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You're not my supervisor!!!!!I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)I find this intensely hypocritical...
No, but I'll be playing your supervisor in my next film.
Anybody have a GOOD script I can use...?I find that alias to look a frickin' like Nick Cage.I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)I find this intensely hypocritical...
You've never needed one before, oh great and powerful Lord of Darkness!
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Little too quick with the clicky button there Doublepost?That's lawful propaganda. If anyone would be likely to provide the contrary point of view simply for the point of stirring up an argument that will inevitably have no positive conclusion and sew chaos, I posit it would be a demon, not a devil. We're just as intelligent, if not more so than devils. Their ability to "organize", or rather rely upon others because they're too weak to handle things themselves is contrary to the very idea of the advocate position for the purpose of providing a contrary view.Perhaps a "Devil's Advocate" alias would help...?...and don't give me that "well that's because they're trying to keep in on topic." Succubus in a Grapple is in the Rules Questions forum still, and it hasn't been a rules question since page 1. It's just dozens of pages of innuendo jokes. FaWtL has no discernable topic. I can point out dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads that go off topic and keep going. It's not until the argument gets personal or someone brings up a right-wing non-economic point (which ALWAYS leads to a personal attack) that feathers get ruffled and locks happenIts pretty rare to find a white wing "point" that isn't a thinly veiled ad hom and insult.For the most part you're right. I'd say about, eh, 70% or so of that's true.
I'd point out some examples otherwise, but I'm dangerously close to making you people think I'm a conservative republican or some other such nonsense right winger, and I can't be having with that.
No death penalty! Legalize weed!! Tax the living crap out of anyone who makes a million a year or more and give it to people below the poverty line!!!
You have no proof. It doesn't exist anymore, therefore it never did. Like in law, the burden of proof is on the accuser, and therefore the flaw of the system. Glorious, glorious flaws; delicious as baby flesh and the tears of friendzoned teenage boys with crushes on teenage girls dating college guys.
No, but I'll be playing your supervisor in my next film.You're not my supervisor!!!!!I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)I find this intensely hypocritical...
Not after having a role in Jurassic World, pretty sure I'll be playing your supervisor!
Better get ready, it'll get a lot darker before it gets better...
You've never needed one before, oh great and powerful Lord of Darkness!Anybody have a GOOD script I can use...?I find that alias to look a frickin' like Nick Cage.I find people that use lots of aliases tiresome :-)I find this intensely hypocritical...
I hate to admit it, but I don't get the reference....
... Google Nicolas Cage photo from long ago, like 1800s I wanna say:-)
Edit: or Google Nicolas Cage vampire :-)
Damnit man, I've got to start waiting like five minutes to reply to stuff. Getting real tired of people editing crap before I comment, and then looking like a fool because I thought they were talking about my stupid alias's comment instead of another one.