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kyrt-ryder wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
Krensky wrote:

You're allergic to steam?

OK, that is impossible. It would mean you are allergic to water.

Also, if your allergic to sodium nitrate or nitirite that means you can't eat any cured or smoked meat, celery, onions, garlic, carrots, potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage, broccoli, parsnips, turnips, beets, lettuce, cauliflower, strawberries, raspberries, currants... Any root or leafy vegetable and most berries, basically.

It's steam with tobacco toxins in it. It's not steam from a tea kettle or steam engine.

celery, onions, garlic, carrots, potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage, broccoli, parsnips, turnips, beets, lettuce, cauliflower, strawberries, raspberries, currants... Any root or leafy vegetable and most berries don't have sodium nitrate in them. This is as bad as when they had a commercial where they listed lots of famous people and claimed they were all gay. Your word is no good here.

Most of the the sodium nitrate that people consume is from fruit and vegetable sources, not cured or smoked meats. Do a search for sodium nitrite vegetables. Root and green leafy vegetables are very high in them. The bacon and such you see advertised with zero added nitrites use lots of celery seed and puree to provided the needed nitrite to preserve the bacon.

Many vegetables have more nitrate and nitrite in them then bacon or other cured meats.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full#sec-8

That's primarily dependent on how the vegetables are raised. If they're raised at home with primarily compost rather than straight manure [or worse, chemical fertilizers] then the sodium nitrate levels are virtually undetectable.

Not even wrong.


I can't stand to be around smokers OR vapers.


Smokers are my least favorite people, and/or rapidly BECOME my least favorite people once they pick up the habit.

And IME, vaping generally leads people to just start smoking anyway.

I can't stand the smoke (for multiple reasons...after so long being around smokers like my dad, I've inhaled enough second-hand smoke to find the smell disgusting, and yet make me want to light up one of the damn things too), and I REALLY can't stand the lingering stench that clings to everything no matter how hard you try to get it out.

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In my experience vaping leads people to stop smoking and usually stop using nicotine at all eventually.


TheAlicornSage wrote:
I think it is very polarizing because guys have always been far more restricted than women in terms of acceptable behaviour, despite male privilege, and MLP is so recognizable as girly that some people can't get over idea that a guy can indeed like something not masculine, and MLP is about as far from masculine as you can get. I think the very notion threatens many guys concept of masculinity and manliness which for many is the core of their self identity. I think therefore the idea of a man liking something like this threatens their self identity because it shatters the concept they identify themselves with.

That's an interesting theory. But then, I don't care for it because I thought it was silly. My at that time 9 year old sons didn't care for it because they thought it was silly, and they like a lot of "girly" shows, and will willingly watch Dora or Sofia or some Disney thing called Jessie.

It might be polarizing because the media jumped on it with all four feet and claimed that strange adult men were watching MLP, showing up at conventions with little girls, and otherwise being creepy. Which, hey, maybe there are a few bad apples out there that made the rest of the bronies look creepy, as with any fandom.

As for smoking, many years ago everyone I was around smoked and smoked a lot. Now I don't go around people that smoke; just the smell makes me sick to my stomach.


kyrt-ryder wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
Krensky wrote:

You're allergic to steam?

OK, that is impossible. It would mean you are allergic to water.

Also, if your allergic to sodium nitrate or nitirite that means you can't eat any cured or smoked meat, celery, onions, garlic, carrots, potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage, broccoli, parsnips, turnips, beets, lettuce, cauliflower, strawberries, raspberries, currants... Any root or leafy vegetable and most berries, basically.

It's steam with tobacco toxins in it. It's not steam from a tea kettle or steam engine.

celery, onions, garlic, carrots, potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage, broccoli, parsnips, turnips, beets, lettuce, cauliflower, strawberries, raspberries, currants... Any root or leafy vegetable and most berries don't have sodium nitrate in them. This is as bad as when they had a commercial where they listed lots of famous people and claimed they were all gay. Your word is no good here.

Most of the the sodium nitrate that people consume is from fruit and vegetable sources, not cured or smoked meats. Do a search for sodium nitrite vegetables. Root and green leafy vegetables are very high in them. The bacon and such you see advertised with zero added nitrites use lots of celery seed and puree to provided the needed nitrite to preserve the bacon.

Many vegetables have more nitrate and nitrite in them then bacon or other cured meats.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full#sec-8

That's primarily dependent on how the vegetables are raised. If they're raised at home with primarily compost rather than straight manure [or worse, chemical fertilizers] then the sodium nitrate levels are virtually undetectable.

....Where did you get that idea?

I mean, it goes against basic principles of botany and plant biochemistry.

Plants need nitrates and nitrites to grow. They'll get it from whatever source they can, whether it is manure, chemical fertilizer, mulch, or anything else. Changing the source of the nitrogen isn't going to change the uptake of nitrogen for a healthy plant in a healthy environment (healthy environment is being defined as a place with enough nutrients - but not too much - needed to grow).

This is why Haber and Bosch's work with converting the nitrogen in the air into ammonia was so important - it literally allowed to mass farming and food production on a scale that could support multiple billions of people.


Yeah ... I'm a horticulture guy and I'm just curious, have you ever read a detailed chemical analysis on manure? The contents might surprise you is all I'm saying.


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Yes.... they might surprise indeed...


bookrat wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
Krensky wrote:

You're allergic to steam?

OK, that is impossible. It would mean you are allergic to water.

Also, if your allergic to sodium nitrate or nitirite that means you can't eat any cured or smoked meat, celery, onions, garlic, carrots, potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage, broccoli, parsnips, turnips, beets, lettuce, cauliflower, strawberries, raspberries, currants... Any root or leafy vegetable and most berries, basically.

celery, onions, garlic, carrots, potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage, broccoli, parsnips, turnips, beets, lettuce, cauliflower, strawberries, raspberries, currants... Any root or leafy vegetable and most berries don't have sodium nitrate in them. This is as bad as when they had a commercial where they listed lots of famous people and claimed they were all gay. Your word is no good here.

Most of the the sodium nitrate that people consume is from fruit and vegetable sources, not cured or smoked meats. Do a search for sodium nitrite vegetables. Root and green leafy vegetables are very high in them. The bacon and such you see advertised with zero added nitrites use lots of celery seed and puree to provided the needed nitrite to preserve the bacon.

Many vegetables have more nitrate and nitrite in them then bacon or other cured meats.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full#sec-8

That's primarily dependent on how the vegetables are raised. If they're raised at home with primarily compost rather than straight manure [or worse, chemical fertilizers] then the sodium nitrate levels are virtually undetectable.

....Where did you get that idea?

I mean, it goes against basic principles of botany and plant biochemistry.

Plants need nitrates and nitrites to grow. They'll get it from whatever source they can, whether it is manure, chemical fertilizer, mulch, or anything else. Changing the source of the nitrogen isn't going to change the uptake of nitrogen for a healthy plant in a healthy environment (healthy environment is being defined as a place with enough nutrients - but not too much - needed to grow).

This is why Haber and Bosch's work with converting the nitrogen in the air into ammonia was so important - it literally allowed to mass farming and food production on a scale that could support multiple billions of people.

From a very good friend of mine who is very sensitive to the stuff and can't eat conventionally grown leafy greens.

Maybe he was saying that his own sensitivities couldn't detect it when grown under the conditions I mentioned because of how it was absorbed by the plant [rather than an absence of the substance in question]? I can't say, it's not my field of study.

I do know that many plants are specifically known to carry far higher nitrite/trate loads when grown under certain conditions [hence the warning not to eat lambsquarters grown under said conditions.]


Let's not just gloss over that whole "allergy to water is a real thing" factor.

How do you not DIE from that? We NEED water to, you know, live.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Kinda made up of alot of it...


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Oh, the dangers of DHMO


Krensky wrote:
In my experience vaping leads people to stop smoking and usually stop using nicotine at all eventually.

I am not happy with vaping but I have had two friends stop smoking by doing vaping so I can't condemn it. Bad as vaping is, cig smoking is a hundred times worse.

Just so long as vapers only vape where smoking would be OK.

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DrDeth wrote:
Krensky wrote:
In my experience vaping leads people to stop smoking and usually stop using nicotine at all eventually.

I am not happy with vaping but I have had two friends stop smoking by doing vaping so I can't condemn it. Bad as vaping is, cig smoking is a hundred times worse.

Just so long as vapers only vape where smoking would be OK.

Facts not in evidence.

But that never stopped the morality police.


TheAlicornSage wrote:
Cranky Bastard wrote:

...

See, no. It's Flash, it tries to be super memetastic, and is nowhere near as clever as it and its fawning Fandom thinks it is.

Being Mrs. Craig McCracken doesn't give her a free pass. And it's certainly no Tiny Toons Adventures or Animaniacs...or even Powerpuff Girls, for Zod's sake.

I know. It's 'just' a cartoon. I should relax. And I would if I didn't have grown ass men going squee at me over the show they watch with their little girls while playing tea party and whatever the hell otherwise they do. It was bad enough when they were on the Dora the Explorer kick and nowhere near as pervasive.

First, flash is just a tool and doesn't make something good or bad.

I agree that some people get ridiculous, but how is that any different from any other fandom?

In my opinion it is better than Powerpuff Girls, Animaniacs, etc. However, that is an opinion. The only objective comparison that can be made is on the quality of animation, music, character depth, etc, and in those areas MLP has high marks.

I don't go sqee over the show, but I still like it.

I think it is very polarizing because guys have always been far more restricted than women in terms of acceptable behaviour, despite male privilege, and MLP is so recognizable as girly that some people can't get over idea that a guy can indeed like something not masculine, and MLP is about as far from masculine as you can get. I think the very notion threatens many guys concept of masculinity and manliness which for many is the core of their self identity. I think therefore the idea of a man liking something like this threatens their self identity because it shatters the concept they identify themselves with.

Bunneh -please-, if I had any fear for my masculinity I would he unable to revel in the spectacular fabulousness that is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Battle Tendency or GioGio's Bizarre Adventure: Vento Aureo. The idea that someone has to feel threatened or afraid of something to find it rubbish is laughable and something round and censored that sounds like mollocks. I certainly don't think that the Barney haters were frightened or threatened by the most obnoxious costumed kid mascot of the 90s, any more than a person annoyed by people who insist on actively acting the part of stereotypes are bigots. I'm tempted to reference a particular Key and Peele sketch, but I can't exactly go linking it here due to guidelines violation.

TL;DR Bronies in my experience have been the Office Homophobe sketch of cartoon fandoms, with FECKING LIVESTOCK paraphernalia instead of wang whistles and somehow managing to outpace the most PLUR-derpish of the Candy Ravers blitzed out on MDMA in provoking the urge to fire Disintegration beams.

And I say that as someone who used to work with the most odious of Otaku and the most malodorous of Twi-hards.


I am going to make a pencil disappear into the brain of the next person I have to explain magical weapon costs to.

1+1 = 2 and no amount of arguing changes that!


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Why would you waste a perfectly good pencil?


Oh I'd hate to waste a perfectly good pencil on them; definitely will retrieve that when I'm done. Still, the oxygen savings alone would make it worthwhile. Not to mention time.

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Trekkie90909 wrote:

I am going to make a pencil disappear into the brain of the next person I have to explain magical weapon costs to.

1+1 = 2 and no amount of arguing changes that!

Well... sometime it equals 10.


@ cranky
I was speaking generally.

First, there are brony haters out there who have commited hate crimes over this. Who hurt people, kicked little boys out of school, and trashed brony's cars. That is so far beyond mere dislike, beyond even rationality. You might not feel threatened, but clearly some people do, and most people I've heard who actively dislike bronies speak and act highly defensively about it, exactly like they feel threatened. Granted, it isn't a subject I get into very often so a little light on the research data here, but that doesn't change the trend in my experience. Besides, actively hating a group of people requires a certain level of emotional involvement, and when it is negative, it usually stems from feeling threatened.

Second, I'm not sure why you'd hate an entire group of people because of only a few. Also, given the level of hatred and negativity aimed at bronies, those who brave admitting they are a brony probably spend so much time defending themselves over that they start to be habitual about it even when they don't need to.

Three, never heard of a wang whistle, not sure I want to even know what it is. Those games you mentioned, with a quick google seem rather masculine, so not sure how they would prove a lack of fear for your masculinity, now if you touted Bratz, Barbie, or even Powerpuff Girls, then maybe that would mean something on that front. Though not worry, I find it perfectly reasonable that not everyone is the same or has the same reasons for hating bronies. I'm just sorry you've had such a horrible experience about it all.


TheAlicornSage wrote:
Second, I'm not sure why you'd hate an entire group of people because of only a few.

Wait, are you trying to tell me that this isn't just how it works these days? Because I find that position outright absurd. You can see plenty of examples of this right here at paizo.com.

Silver Crusade

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Krensky wrote:
Trekkie90909 wrote:

I am going to make a pencil disappear into the brain of the next person I have to explain magical weapon costs to.

1+1 = 2 and no amount of arguing changes that!

Well... sometime it equals 10.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those that understand binary notation, and those that don't.


Krensky wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
Krensky wrote:
In my experience vaping leads people to stop smoking and usually stop using nicotine at all eventually.

I am not happy with vaping but I have had two friends stop smoking by doing vaping so I can't condemn it. Bad as vaping is, cig smoking is a hundred times worse.

Just so long as vapers only vape where smoking would be OK.

Facts not in evidence.

But that never stopped the morality police.

Indeed. Cigarette smoke has been proven to have many times more toxins than vaping liquid, but that is only because (1) not as many studies have been completed on vaping liquid, (2) vaping liquid is proprietary [read: "contents unknown"] and doesn't have to meet any type of standard [ie, a "class A" cigarette must have known contents, must contain a certain percentage of tobacco, and can't contain certain fillers], and (3) while few in number the known stuff in a bunch of vaping liquid is frankly terrifying such as benzene and toluene, but that statistic doesn't account for level of toxicity.

If you think that vaping is not as bad as smoking then you are deluding yourself. If you use it as a mechanism to stop smoking then great, but then you need to stop vaping.


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I find people that b%#+# about everything tiresome, I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to see the positive side of things :-)


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captain yesterday wrote:
I find people that b#~$# about everything tiresome, I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to see the positive side of things :-)

I don't understand why it's so hard for some to see both.

(Not necessarily referencing current discussion, here.)


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TheAlicornSage wrote:

@ cranky

I was speaking generally.

First, there are brony haters out there who have commited hate crimes over this. Who hurt people, kicked little boys out of school, and trashed brony's cars. That is so far beyond mere dislike, beyond even rationality. You might not feel threatened, but clearly some people do, and most people I've heard who actively dislike bronies speak and act highly defensively about it, exactly like they feel threatened. Granted, it isn't a subject I get into very often so a little light on the research data here, but that doesn't change the trend in my experience. Besides, actively hating a group of people requires a certain level of emotional involvement, and when it is negative, it usually stems from feeling threatened.

Second, I'm not sure why you'd hate an entire group of people because of only a few. Also, given the level of hatred and negativity aimed at bronies, those who brave admitting they are a brony probably spend so much time defending themselves over that they start to be habitual about it even when they don't need to.

Three, never heard of a wang whistle, not sure I want to even know what it is. Those games you mentioned, with a quick google seem rather masculine, so not sure how they would prove a lack of fear for your masculinity, now if you touted Bratz, Barbie, or even Powerpuff Girls, then maybe that would mean something on that front. Though not worry, I find it perfectly reasonable that not everyone is the same or has the same reasons for hating bronies. I'm just sorry you've had such a horrible experience about it all.

I'll take this from the top then, and try not to be as long-winded as I normally am.

Firstly while Fandoms are not and have never been a protected class, this experience is far from limited to bronies - a term that already irritates me like few other neologisms can. Gamers of every shape and size have dealt with it. Anime fans - hell, fans of animation from anywhere in the world, even in the day and age of shows like the Simpsons and Family Guy and The Critic - have been dealing with that sort of idiocy for years! Or I could just up and say, "Maybe there's this group you've heard of - fans of anthropomorphic art in general?" And just think of how many people's immediate reaction is to say, "Oh, you mean furries? I saw those freak shows on CSI!"

Having been part of those fandoms, I am not unfamiliar with being rather unpopular. And a good part of the unpopularity stems from members of said fandoms thinking that it's a great idea to act like dip wads and make themselves the overtly visible, audible representation of what the Fandom is all about. I'm looking at you, vendors of anatomically 'appropriate' fursuits. I'm talking about you, Mister Loud and Public Proclaimed of Your Love for Celestia and Discord as OTP. YES I mean you Miss Tell Everyone About How The Writers of a Series Are Wrong for Not Pairing All the Men Together in an Story That Isn't Remotely About Romance or Interpersonal Relationships Because You Want Bishie Sparkles And Uke/Seme Dynamics Plot Be Damned!

Secondly, bravery? FFS it is a show for little girls about FECKING LIVESTOCK. I'm sorry, it's not a satire about life as a person of color that toed the line of acceptance like Boondocks. It's not something deliberately controversial like South Park. It's not even something just benign yet stealthily educational and endearing like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. I've been subjected to the show. It's not that great. It's not the Second Coming. And yet I swear to Gygax I can't even go to my FLGS without some jackhole coming up to me all "LOL HAZ U HERD GUD WERD OF NITE MARE MOONZ?".

Third, the Wang Whistle is a specific reference to the Office Homophobe Key and Peele sketch. A substantial number of people tend to freak out over what they perceive as homoerotic overtones in the Manga and Anime of JoJo's Bizarre Adventures, both due to the posing and the difference between views of homosexuality in the US and Japan. I'm a huge fan of the Powerpuff Girls and particularly referenced them in earlier posts. And as a self-admitted furry, gamer, Anime fan (and not otaku, thank you very much), and geek of color, you'll forgive me if I am not more sympathetic to the plight of a group that has been shoving itself into all of my own places of enjoyment and proceeding to suck all of the metaphorical oxygen out of the room.

I should note that if it is not completely clear, this alias is for the expression of displeasure at its more vitriolic, and is a more exaggerated take on my actual views. For best results dilute with tequila and lime juice, spike with agave, and serve with ice.


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I don't understand Fandom of any kind when taken to the extremes I often see.

I like Arrested Development (as I said when comparing it to Firefly as another well made show that was cancelled ahead of it's time). I like it a lot. It is probably one of the best shows I've ever seen on TV, with so many layers of comedy and hidden jokes you can peel away with repeated views...

...but I'm not going to get mad at someone else for disliking it. I'm not going to dress up as Gob Bleuth and wait in line for forty minutes to get Will Arnett to sign a handmade Flanklin puppet that I made in my spare time. I just...don't get that kind of obsession. Vitriolic emotion over a work of fiction? There's too much real stuff to care about to get bent out of shape over entertainment.


Tequila Sunrise wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
I find people that b#~$# about everything tiresome, I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to see the positive side of things :-)

I don't understand why it's so hard for some to see both.

(Not necessarily referencing current discussion, here.)

Humans have very nearly perfected the art of raising petty disagreements to existential character attacks. Shouldn't be much longer now.


Cranky Bastard wrote:


Bunneh -please-, if I had any fear for my masculinity I would he unable to revel in the spectacular fabulousness that is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Battle Tendency

B~~*~ are you implying that Joesph is anything but the manliest of men who fights other extraordinarily manly men with his manly manliness (and the power of the SUN!)?

Liberty's Edge

BigDTBone wrote:
Krensky wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
Krensky wrote:
In my experience vaping leads people to stop smoking and usually stop using nicotine at all eventually.

I am not happy with vaping but I have had two friends stop smoking by doing vaping so I can't condemn it. Bad as vaping is, cig smoking is a hundred times worse.

Just so long as vapers only vape where smoking would be OK.

Facts not in evidence.

But that never stopped the morality police.

Indeed. Cigarette smoke has been proven to have many times more toxins than vaping liquid, but that is only because (1) not as many studies have been completed on vaping liquid, (2) vaping liquid is proprietary [read: "contents unknown"] and doesn't have to meet any type of standard [ie, a "class A" cigarette must have known contents, must contain a certain percentage of tobacco, and can't contain certain fillers], and (3) while few in number the known stuff in a bunch of vaping liquid is frankly terrifying such as benzene and toluene, but that statistic doesn't account for level of toxicity.

If you think that vaping is not as bad as smoking then you are deluding yourself. If you use it as a mechanism to stop smoking then great, but then you need to stop vaping.

Thank you for proving my point.


I've never heard of a nine year old being kicked out of school for other fandoms.

I can understand not being happy with the more expressive members of a fandom, but I think the show is certainly worthwhile enough to have a fandom. I'd figure the quality can be seen even without liking it (I can admit something is good quality if I don't like that something, but I'm weird). I think your decription of the show is a little unfair, it is targeted for the parents as much as the children, to encourage having parents watch with their kids, so more family oriented than kid. Also, you keep mentioning the livestock thing, why? It does it really matter that much that the characters are not human? Would you feel better about the show if they were human? (if so, don't game with me, I have intelligent octopi in my world, not to mention several non humanoid races, including a cross between a spider and a gorilla.)

Also, some of the talant that brought you Powerpuff Girls and Imaginary Friends, like Lauren Faust, are the same who brought this show.

So, extreme fans are understandably annoying, but that doesn't make the show less than stellar, nor does it make all, or even a majority of, fans extreme and annoying.

Don't see me complaining about Star Trek because the fans get a little ridiculous.

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DrDeth wrote:


You are right and wrong here. I do that a lot, having been around as long as anyone in the business. But having played dozens and dozens of systems with hundreds and hundreds of players, I can tell you that certain things carry over from any system- things that are just universal to RPGs.

So, for example, if I tell you to "Never try to solve a OOC problem IC" - it will work even if I have never heard of that RPG, let along played it.

However, if I tell you that "xxx class is overpowered and needs nerfing" then yes, I needs must have played that class and played WITH that class- in a couple of games. Simply reading it once doesn't really cut it. Watching one guy cream everyone in one session is not proof either.

So, I really dont know more about PF than any of the other experienced posters here. Despite my deep experience, as far as PF game mechanics go, my opinion is worth no more than anyone else's- and less than quite a few. But if you tell me you have a certain problem player- then yes- my 40 years of experience will likely be of value. *

* and if you compare PF to other legacy systems, then I have dropped several ranks in that skill.

I was not including you when I wrote that DD. When 4E came out some in the hobby were bashing without having read it. One could easily see the gamers who took the time to read the book and those who were going off second hand information easily imo. Those are the gamers I meant.

On topic:

I dislike those who can't say no to either their players or themselves when it comes to new material. Then blaming Paizo for releasing new material. While Paizo has a free online SRD. Neither are they a charity nor a non-profit. Bills and employees need to be paid. It's made worse when they come from the viewpoint as if they are being forced. Unless a gun is held to your head no one is being forced. Don't want or like new material don't use it.

Dms who insist on players acting like first level characters at every level. With all due respect by fifth hell by third level my character and others in the group. Are looking for traps, expecting to be ambushed and simply not going to walk blindly into situations. It makes no sense. Levels mean more than just power. It's also how experienced a character is. Thankfully they are rare.

I like HeroLab. I probably won't join a group where a DM disallows it. It's simply too convient a tool not to use imo. All the information for a player/npc at one fingertips. Spell descriptions, feats etc. For casters it's a godsend imo.

Store owners who give a opinion when unasked usually a negative one. I know it's your store but unless I ask a opinion say on 4E I don't need or want a long dissertation on why PF is better than 4E. Paying the rent does not entitle one to ruin my time at a hobby store imo.


Krensky wrote:
Trekkie90909 wrote:

I am going to make a pencil disappear into the brain of the next person I have to explain magical weapon costs to.

1+1 = 2 and no amount of arguing changes that!

Well... sometime it equals 10.

In base 2.


I don't get allergic to the smell of chemical fertilizer. I do have a horrific allergy attack when ham is hidden in my food. We are obviously talking about different configurations of sodium and nitrogen atoms.

I often have to start poping allergy pills because some fiend was smoking or vaping behind my back. Whatever is in both, I'm allergic to it.


Rynjin wrote:
Cranky Bastard wrote:


Bunneh -please-, if I had any fear for my masculinity I would he unable to revel in the spectacular fabulousness that is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Battle Tendency

B**$~ are you implying that Joesph is anything but the manliest of men who fights other extraordinarily manly men with his manly manliness (and the power of the SUN!)?

You spelled Jonathan wrong. :D

But seriously, Joseph and co. are manly enough by Western standards, but apparently scanned Bara to a lot of non-Shonen fans. Particularly the Pillar Men. And let's not kid ourselves - Kars *sparkled*.

And it was GLORIOUS.


Jonathan was boring as all hell. He really had NO personality. Battle Tendency is definitely where the series hit its stride and IMO Joseph is the best Joestar (and Joestar adjacent protagonist).

Though there is argument for Cars being gay for Wham (they did raise a child together...) he's still a manly Ultimate Being who sparkles.


TheAlicornSage wrote:

I've never heard of a nine year old being kicked out of school for other fandoms.

I can understand not being happy with the more expressive members of a fandom, but I think the show is certainly worthwhile enough to have a fandom. I'd figure the quality can be seen even without liking it (I can admit something is good quality if I don't like that something, but I'm weird). I think your decription of the show is a little unfair, it is targeted for the parents as much as the children, to encourage having parents watch with their kids, so more family oriented than kid. Also, you keep mentioning the livestock thing, why? It does it really matter that much that the characters are not human? Would you feel better about the show if they were human? (if so, don't game with me, I have intelligent octopi in my world, not to mention several non humanoid races, including a cross between a spider and a gorilla.)

Also, some of the talant that brought you Powerpuff Girls and Imaginary Friends, like Lauren Faust, are the same who brought this show.

So, extreme fans are understandably annoying, but that doesn't make the show less than stellar, nor does it make all, or even a majority of, fans extreme and annoying.

Don't see me complaining about Star Trek because the fans get a little ridiculous.

Whereas I do, I'm part because I LIKE Trek and the less restrained people ruin the reputation and enjoyment. And lest you tell me such a thing is untenable, let's look at the most socially acceptable Fandom out there - sports fans. You can find people of all ages, backgrounds, and creeds being mistreated for following the 'wrong' athletic gang colors - especially in Texas, where it is more religion than sport.

Given my gaming inclination, it is laughable to think I have a problem with non-humanoid sentience and sapience - I just happen to be rather not fond of the MLP and its associated cult. I thus deride it as Fecking Livestock, the way I reference anything Josswhedon as ohlookanotherwaiffualshow. I mock lightly until pushed past the point of ignoring the source of irritation.

See my prior point about being Mrs. Craig McCracken - whatever talent that was brought to bear on prior projects doesn't seem to have seeped into the current ultra pandering drek. It fails to measure up, disappointing nearly as much as Histeria disappointed fans of the earlier Spielberg productions works like Animaniacs and Freakazoid.

I was willing to ignore the existence of the bronies as much as the Saturday Morning Sonic the Hedgehog fans, or the SpongeBob obsessives, or even the freaking Adventure Time fanatics, but I draw the line at trying to drown me in the merchant and try to mix it into all the things I enjpy. I don't want it in my tabletop. I don't want it in my memes. I am sick of people trying to shoehorn all of the games I enjoy into that universe. If I could use telekinesis on the next person(s) I saw 'Ponyfying' the casts of Street Fighter, Asura's Wrath, Mortal Kombat, To Wong Fu Thanks for Everything Julie Newmar, or THE NEVERENDING GOTTDAMN STORY, I swear to Arneson there would be a lot of people doubled over wondering why they were just kicked in the pants regions.

RuPaul laughing and then slapping someone came to mind inexplicably.


Rynjin wrote:

Jonathan was boring as all hell. He really had NO personality. Battle Tendency is definitely where the series hit its stride and IMO Joseph is the best Joestar (and Joestar adjacent protagonist).

Though there is argument for Cars being gay for Wham (they did raise a child together...) he's still a manly Ultimate Being who sparkles.

Respectfully disagreeing because Jonathan was well-intentioned, honorable, and determined as can be. Plus, he established the most important bromance in the series.

Joseph was the guile hero, which I enjoyed immensely, but he is not my favorite Joestar - that's a toss-up between Jotaru, Giovanna, and Johnny.

And there's no denying Karusu's sheer damn manliness, but he was definitely angling for a L'Oreal ad to rival Thor.


Krensky wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
Krensky wrote:
In my experience vaping leads people to stop smoking and usually stop using nicotine at all eventually.

I am not happy with vaping but I have had two friends stop smoking by doing vaping so I can't condemn it. Bad as vaping is, cig smoking is a hundred times worse.

Just so long as vapers only vape where smoking would be OK.

Facts not in evidence.

But that never stopped the morality police.

what facts? That I two friends stop smoking by doing vaping ? Cig smoking is worse?


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Stuff

Sonic SATAM is awesome.

"He's the fastest thing aliiiive."

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Cranky Bastard wrote:
And lest you tell me such a thing is untenable, let's look at the most socially acceptable Fandom out there - sports fans. You can find people of all ages, backgrounds, and creeds being mistreated for following the 'wrong' athletic gang colors - especially in Texas, where it is more religion than sport.

You aren't kidding. I always felt bad for the two fans of the Washington Professional Football Team in my high school.


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Mistreatment is indeed all too common, but kicking nine year olds out of school over being too girly is beyond mere mistreatment. Luckily the parents raised a stink and since the school was public it got fixed, partially, but that was still crossing the line more than I've seen against other fandoms.


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Confession: Wildly strange expectations for products confuse me. There seems to be a run of this on the boards (although in truth it has been around for years and just irritates me more now, and happens on other places with other products).

I'm not sure if people are not reading product descriptions or are just in their own world of WANT, but this near constant hyper-irritated droning of "why isn't X in the books!? I HATE Y and it isn't fair that even though the book is about Y, X wasn't put in there!"

If you like a fringe idea/race/class/whatever, yeah it sucks that every single product isn't filled to the brim with stuff just for your woobie. It may just happen that you'll have to wait for a 3PP or make it up yourself for your games. And before the cry of "What about PFS!?", what about it? It has rules that a lot of people don't always agree with, and many things you don't get to do. This would be another one.

This stuff isn't a surprise to anyone who reads the descriptions and/or is familiar with what the game puts out on a regular basis. Why we're continually subjected to "What about X?" over and over again makes me question people's thought process.


kyrt-ryder wrote:
Cranky Bastard wrote:
Stuff

Sonic SATAM is awesome.

"He's the fastest thing aliiiive."

I would shun you but I have seen what Sega has done to Knuckles in the Sonic Boom line and, as such, all of my shunning and hatred is directed there on this matter.


knightnday wrote:

Confession: Wildly strange expectations for products confuse me. There seems to be a run of this on the boards (although in truth it has been around for years and just irritates me more now, and happens on other places with other products).

I'm not sure if people are not reading product descriptions or are just in their own world of WANT, but this near constant hyper-irritated droning of "why isn't X in the books!? I HATE Y and it isn't fair that even though the book is about Y, X wasn't put in there!"

If you like a fringe idea/race/class/whatever, yeah it sucks that every single product isn't filled to the brim with stuff just for your woobie. It may just happen that you'll have to wait for a 3PP or make it up yourself for your games. And before the cry of "What about PFS!?", what about it? It has rules that a lot of people don't always agree with, and many things you don't get to do. This would be another one.

This stuff isn't a surprise to anyone who reads the descriptions and/or is familiar with what the game puts out on a regular basis. Why we're continually subjected to "What about X?" over and over again makes me question people's thought process.

I think it stems partly from the mindset that what one likes in a game is objectively "good" and what one doesn't like is "bad" (or balanced/broken, too many options/not enough options, or any other subjective dichotomy - pretty much whatever you think is "right" there's someone else who thinks its "wrong").

Preferences run the gamut and publishers have to walk a fine line trying to meet a broad sample of them. It's going to be pretty rare to find a publisher who adopts the stance that lines up with yours.


TheAlicornSage wrote:
Mistreatment is indeed all too common, but kicking nine year olds out of school over being too girly is beyond mere mistreatment. Luckily the parents raised a stink and since the school was public it got fixed, partially, but that was still crossing the line more than I've seen against other fandoms.

Children of color get kicked out of school for having natural hair.

In kindergarten.

You will forgive my compassion going elsewhere.


Cranky Bastard wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Cranky Bastard wrote:
Stuff

Sonic SATAM is awesome.

"He's the fastest thing aliiiive."

I would shun you but I have seen what Sega has done to Knuckles in the Sonic Boom line and, as such, all of my shunning and hatred is directed there on this matter.

Knuckles was coolest when he was nearly Sonic's equal in speed with massive strength and attitude to back it up.

Those days have long since sailed, however, and Knux has gone from being Sonic's Rival [and fully capable of his own Super and Hyper transformations, along with a comic-based Master Emerald epic transformation exclusive to him] into a joke character who's seldom even as useful as Miles/Tails.


Cranky Bastard wrote:
TheAlicornSage wrote:
Mistreatment is indeed all too common, but kicking nine year olds out of school over being too girly is beyond mere mistreatment. Luckily the parents raised a stink and since the school was public it got fixed, partially, but that was still crossing the line more than I've seen against other fandoms.

Children of color get kicked out of school for having natural hair.

In kindergarten.

You will forgive my compassion going elsewhere.

You'll forgive me if I ignore whether someone is colored or not. Distinguishing such differences is step one of racism in my opinion.

As for someone getting kicked out because they have hair is ridiculous, but I doubt it is anything but an excuse (maybe due to racism, maybe due to something else.), where as liking mlp seems more like an actual reason though just as ridiculous.


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I am not finding anything about a kid being kicked out of school over my little pony. I'm finding a story about a 9 year old being bullied and told to leave a backpack at home.

Problem is, people get bullied for everything. I was bullied years ago because I could read well and had a better vocabulary than my peers. Kids are kids; they don't need a reason other than something out of the ordinary to focus on. In this case, MLP is out of the ordinary for many boys, especially to have a backpack for at least at that school.

Schools aren't doing it out of some sense of discrimination. They are trying to make whatever stupidity that is going on stop. Is it right? Of course not, but that doesn't mean that they are anti-MLP. They are anti-paperwork and dealing with kids fighting.


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TheAlicornSage wrote:
Cranky Bastard wrote:
TheAlicornSage wrote:
Mistreatment is indeed all too common, but kicking nine year olds out of school over being too girly is beyond mere mistreatment. Luckily the parents raised a stink and since the school was public it got fixed, partially, but that was still crossing the line more than I've seen against other fandoms.

Children of color get kicked out of school for having natural hair.

In kindergarten.

You will forgive my compassion going elsewhere.

You'll forgive me if I ignore whether someone is colored or not. Distinguishing such differences is step one of racism in my opinion.

As for someone getting kicked out because they have hair is ridiculous, but I doubt it is anything but an excuse (maybe due to racism, maybe due to something else.), where as liking mlp seems more like an actual reason though just as ridiculous.

Recognition of color isn't racism, it's noticing physical traits. Judgment or differential treatment based on color is. If you utterly ignore someone's skin tone, then it is impossible to identify if someone is or isn't being given preferential or inferior treatment based upon it, and that's just burying your head in the sand to an existing problem.

Te problem being referred to is referencing "natural" black hair, and if I recall specifically, it's dreads, afros, or any other long hair in black boys...or at least it was when I worked at a school that deemed that "fad styles" and unacceptable, which is totally racist AND sexist when you consider white boys were allowed to have long hair, and black girls were as long as it was permed straight or pulled back and not dreaded. The irony was the principal and majority of the teachers were themselves black.

Please don't blow a gasket at me saying black. My wife is black, and I know plenty who dislike the African American term on the basis that they are multiple generations removed from any presence in or even near Africa...and many just aren't American.

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