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I didn't even say it was bad, but Firefly is overrated.And that is merely your assertion, one with which many discerning fans do not agree.
I actually enjoyed the show when I saw it. I restate that it was not even half as good as the hype.And since I think it's one of the few shows that easily equals or even surpasses its hype, I'll reject that, too.
I stand by both statements.I admire your conviction. It takes resolve to "stand" in the center of downtown Wrong-ville.
So you stand by the statement that Firefly is the best thing ever made and has no equal?
Because that's the kind of praise that gets thrown around for it, and what leads to many saying it's over-hyped. Because it is.
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I didn't even say it was bad, but Firefly is overrated.And that is merely your assertion, one with which many discerning fans do not agree.
Just as a reminder...
Confessions that will get you shunned by the members of the Paizo community
The righteous indignation isn't required.
I like pvp.
I didn't even say it was bad, but Firefly is overrated.And that is merely your assertion, one with which many discerning fans do not agree.
I actually enjoyed the show when I saw it. I restate that it was not even half as good as the hype.And since I think it's one of the few shows that easily equals or even surpasses its hype, I'll reject that, too.
I stand by both statements.I admire your conviction. It takes resolve to "stand" in the center of downtown Wrong-ville.
You know what's neat?
If it ever doubtfully comes back I'll watch it and probably enjoy it, though certainly not to fanboy extremes. It would be nice to watch, but I'm not going to order a channel or streaming service I don't already have for it.
If it never does, which it probably won't, it means it never was as good as everyone says (and thus I'm right) - because enough fandom would generate money, and any mega corporation would sell the rights yo a product they don't even use if you wave enough cash under their noses. Fox won't sell for whatever has been offered so far, but it doesn't mean they're unmovable. Do you really think if news broke to shareholders there was a massive offer for Firefly rights that Fox would still sit on it? No, they'd either sell or capitalize. When that doesn't happen in yet another decade...well, hopefully, the fanboys would stop, but since one decade hasn't done it, I doubt another would.
...actually, even if it was genius level entertainment (and I'd even say it's low-gifted/upper-above-average level), it's still just that, entertainment. I'd still enjoy my solid eight. It's not like something else we can enjoy won't or hasn't come along. I adored Arrested Development. I was annoyed when Arrested Development ended, and let's face it season four was not really up to their usual, but...Meh...I continue to find other comedies. I'm not sure if it's been a decade yet, but I'm not soapboxing about it's tragedy.
Oh yeah. It's just TV. It's not even that deep.
You have it right green tea gamer, Firefly was bad :-)
You have it right green tea gamer, Firefly was bad :-)
In that it spawned the Fireflyfanboy, yeah, kinda. However, as a source of entertainment it was a solid B. Is a single season of solid B entertainment worth dealing with the blanket blind praise? Not really.
Where does Quizno's rate on that scale?
I like Sobik's.
That's a Florida/Southern/East Coast thing? We don't have them here.
I refuse to eat a Jimmy John's sandwich because the founder and his family are big game trophy hunters.
That's ok. I eat enough there for 2 people.
That's a Florida/Southern/East Coast thing? We don't have them here.
They're a small chain that's basically in the Orlando area only.
If it never does, which it probably won't, it means it never was as good as everyone says (and thus I'm right) - because enough fandom would generate money, and any mega corporation would sell the rights yo a product they don't even use if you wave enough cash under their noses. Fox won't sell for whatever has been offered so far, but it doesn't mean they're unmovable. Do you really think if news broke to shareholders there was a massive offer for Firefly rights that Fox would still sit on it? No, they'd either sell or capitalize. When that doesn't happen in yet another decade...well, hopefully, the fanboys would stop, but since one decade hasn't done it, I doubt another would.
Ummm, dude- it's Fox. Since when have their choices been rational? ;-)
You know I watched Firefly on TV and went" Good, but not great. Why the hype?" Then I watched it on DVD in the right order, etc, and i saw many flashes of Whedonisc brilliance. It coulda been great if Fox had given it a chance.
What about WhichWich?
Likely the best chain.
I'll stick with Bellacino's for my quality sub/grinder needs.
Edit: Nevermind, I just found out that the one nearby closed, and I'm not driving to Michigan.
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I used to love Subways. I remember when they opened up a subway food truck in one of the more secure bases in Iraq for us soldiers to have some real food. It was fantastic. Sandwiches were overflowing with toppings, just like it was before I joined up.
Then something happened. I hadn't had subway in a few years, and decided to drop into one. Pure grade crap. Barely any toppings with bad bread. I thought that it was maybe just that particular store. Nope. Every single subway that I've been to over the past 6-7 years has skimped on the toppings. But I keep trying because I'm hoping that maybe this particular store will do it right.
So far, I haven't found a single one that piles on the toppings like they used to. And the prices have increased.
Now, I go to Erik's Deli Cafe. Best sandwiches in town. And by far the best Ruben I've had.
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Same, though smaller timeframe. About 5-6 years ago Subway was really good in my area. Lots of toppings, good meat, good bread selection, and delcious cookies.
Then they started to skimp. Also really bad management.
Went to a Subway near my house a couple of years ago and spent about 5 minutes looking at the menu.
Move up to the counter, and the lady asks me what I want.
I say what I want and she's like "Okay, but we're out of bread".
JFGKFHGCGFX
HOW THE F&$+ IS A SUBWAY OUT OF BREAD?
AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU LEAD WITH THAT?
For sandwich shops it's all about Schlotzsky's, Lenny's, and The Great Outdoors.
Subway is about as good as Wawa. For Hoagie fest I get a meatball sub with extra marinara and provolone. If someone is buying or the sale is decent I will get the same at Subway.Seek psychological help. Subway is as far below Wawa as Wawa is below Primo's and Primo's is below Sarcone's.
I take my meds every night as directed.
Actually reacting to invisible things touching me by uncontrollable spasms is what makes me a paranoid schizophrenic. It's controllable, not curable.You can shun me, but save the amateur diagnosis for your bartender.
I enjoy firefly but didn't know it existed until after it ended. My brother turned me on to the series. For me it's a good go to show for background noise while working on a project.
Schlotzky's was my go to sub shop, partly because a gamer buddy worked there and got us group discounts. We spent crap tons of money there, kinda got burned out for subs after that.
I don't like disney, will have a hard time convincing myself to see star wars at the end of the year.
My favorite race to play is halfling, either as a bard or sorcerer.
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So you stand by the statement that Firefly is the best thing ever made and has no equal?
Because that's the kind of praise that gets thrown around for it, and what leads to many saying it's over-hyped. Because it is.
Don't put words in my mouth.
I've never encountered that level of rabid praise for it. I was responding to those who were saying it's not a great show, and thus overrated.
I think it's a great show, and that it was great television. I don't have much of an opinion on its higher literary merits, if any, because I've never really considered it. Great television is judged on different criteria than great literature, for example—though there's tremendous subjectivity in either set of assessments.
There's certainly a desire to dog-pile on those who loved it as if their tastes are somehow pedestrian, though. Perhaps that's a reaction to the worship many of you are sick of that I've really never seen.
I've encountered, "Firefly's a great show! Terrific!" I've not encountered, "It's the very best show of all time!"
In very nearly every discussion about:
-Cancelled shows.
-Sci-fi shows.
-The Fox network.
-"What show is the best?/What's your favorite?"
Firefly will come up. The most annoying of these being the deluge of "Well we all know Firefly is going to win, but let's set that aside and talk about the SECOND best show" posts that inevitably crop up in these discussions. And you can't forget "I really like X" "Meh, Firefly was better though."
It gets old. REAL old.
I like the show. I bought the box set, and that s&%* was expensive.
It is not my favorite show. I quite honestly doubt it's very many people's favorite show.
It has just achieved a memetic quality. Firefly is the Chuck Norris of cancelled shows.
Chuck Norris REALLY isn't that cool. Nobody actually thinks he's cool.
And yet Chuck Norris facts still get quoted to this day...
I too begin playing in the 1970s (1976 to be exact), but alas I am only in my fifth decade, and I too bow to DrDeath's seniority.
I started in 76 too! Late fourth for me though. (Very late...*grumble*)
I too begin playing in the 1970s (1976 to be exact), but alas I am only in my fifth decade, and I too bow to DrDeath's seniority.I started in 76 too! Late fourth for me though. (Very late...*grumble*)
Another Grognard!
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I too begin playing in the 1970s (1976 to be exact), but alas I am only in my fifth decade, and I too bow to DrDeath's seniority.I started in 76 too! Late fourth for me though. (Very late...*grumble*)Another Grognard!
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Returns Secret Handshake. Shows Secret Decoder Ring!
I was turned on to Firefly by a friend. He gave me the list showing the proper order of the shows. Watched it. Loved it. (Note: I usually dislike Joss Whedon shows) I don't push it on people, but I do have Serenity wallpaper. And bobble-heads. Shiny!
*EDIT: Also purchased *BOTH* Firefly RPG's...I'll be in my bunk
It is not my favorite show. I quite honestly doubt it's very many people's favorite show.Uh ... OK. It's not my favorite show, either.
I do think it the best of Whedon's work, though. I enjoy Buffy and Angel, and have never seen Dollhouse, but ... Firefly's my favorite in his stable.
What you say about "memetic quality" may be true. I have no real reason to doubt you. I've just been unaware of it until now. Perhaps I've just never paid attention enough to be sick of it.
I actually prefer Buffy and Angel, but that comparison is kinda unfair. It's easier to get attached with longer times on the air.
I will say Firefly as a first season is better than Buffy's first season.
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I found Buffy to be unwatchable. I just couldn't make it all the way through the first two episodes. Quite on it.
Surprised about all the Subway hate. I had a couple of chances to eat there lately and found it perfectly acceptable. The bread (I had something called "Italian cheese bread", I think) was OK, the meat was fine, the vegetables fresh and good looking, the toppings added flavor. Maybe I have been leaving in the shadowy sad realm of bad sandwiches my whole life, but from my personal experience, Subway makes sandwiches that don't even feel like fast food, but like actual food.
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I didn't know about Firefly until it was all over, and bought the box set on spec. Loved it!
Then I did a bit of research. One of the things I loved about it was the story arc; easy to appreciate when you binge-watch the whole thing.
What amazed me is that when it was on TV they didn't show the opening two-parter, the one that explains what's going on, until right at the end after they'd already decided to cancel the show. They showed the other episodes in a random order, meaning the story arc got lost and the laws of cause and effect were broken; several consequences happened before the things that caused them.
No wonder no-one stuck with it! If I was a TV exec, and had a secret agenda to make sure a show got cancelled even though it was brilliant, how would I go about it? Well, I'd probably show all the episodes out of order, making sure that the all-important first episode which explains everything doesn't get shown until it's too late, and I'd probably change the day/time it is shown at random, making it difficult to follow even if you do like it.
I wonder why it got cancelled?
This reminds me of the story behind the cancellation of Crusade, the follow up to the hugely successful Babylon 5. The writer, JMS, has a proven track record of success in both writing and showrunning, but when TV execs and bean-counters started to tell him how to write, he wondered if they'd accept his instructions on how to count beans! They instructed, he refused. He knew that refusing would lead to the show being cancelled, but decided that his integrity outweighed his cowardice and stood his ground.
Why are TV execs so stupid in the US? So many good shows get ruined by their interference, and then get cancelled because the shows are ruined.
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It is not my favorite show. I quite honestly doubt it's very many people's favorite show.Uh ... OK. It's not my favorite show, either.
I do think it the best of Whedon's work, though. I enjoy Buffy and Angel, and have never seen Dollhouse, but ... Firefly's my favorite in his stable.
Give Dollhouse a try -- it's my personal favorite of Whedon's work. It was hard to watch live (too much of a slow build) but it works really well when you can watch it all at once.
Chuck Norris REALLY isn't that cool. Nobody actually thinks he's cool.
I actually think Chuck Norris is cool. Not "Chuck Norris Facts" level of cool, but I mean, cooler than his contemporaries in the industry. Solid respect without adoration.
It is not my favorite show. I quite honestly doubt it's very many people's favorite show.Uh ... OK. It's not my favorite show, either.
I do think it the best of Whedon's work, though. I enjoy Buffy and Angel, and have never seen Dollhouse, but ... Firefly's my favorite in his stable.
What you say about "memetic quality" may be true. I have no real reason to doubt you. I've just been unaware of it until now. Perhaps I've just never paid attention enough to be sick of it.
I actually prefer Buffy and Angel, but that comparison is kinda unfair. It's easier to get attached with longer times on the air.
I will say Firefly as a first season is better than Buffy's first season.
Yup. Much like Lord Snow, I didn't even make it to the second episode of Buffy. Firefly, on the other hand, had me right from "We're too pretty to die!" (I saw the episodes in order, years after the fact.)
A few days later, I talked a reluctant friend into watching the first episode, and I saw the Fan light come on in her eyes from the very same line. I never became a Fan with a capital F, but she ended up buying the comic book that links Firefly with Serenity, as well as other paraphernalia that I've forgotten the nature of.
Oh, and I second pH unbalanced's suggestion. Dollhouse is much better than its premise sounds.
Firefly was a great show. I would have liked it to continue, but I am reminded of other shows that went really bad on a new season and ended on a bad note. Hard to say whether Firefly would have gone poorly or continued in greatness. But even the legendary Dr Who was nearly cancelled after it's first episode. Corporate leaders can be some of the dumbest people on the planet. I think all that isolation and power from being on top acts like a pill that makes you stupid.
Subway's bread isn't as good tasting now that they stopped adding yoga mat plastic to it. But it probably is a whole lot healthier. As for skimping on toppings? Most toppings are served either in predetermined amounts like the meat or in the quantity you ask for like the veggies. Only the shredded cheese can be skimped on I think and that seems to depend entirely on your servers personal idea of the right amount. I have had servers use a pinch of cheese and servers use a pile of cheese often from the same subway... If you want uniformity in cheese get the sliced cheese. I am not sure why some sub shops would be considered better other than the bread though... can't get any better than subway's fresh toppings. Maybe subway should do some bread recipe research to keep their dominance of the market.
Also, someone mentioned Adventure Time a while back. Most asanine piece of animated garbage I've had the misfortune of being exposed to in years, and I've watched many cartoons from childhood to adulthood. I felt dumber after an episode, and somehow sat through about four, and now no longer trust anything the friend who talked me into that says.
You have every right to have an objectively wrong opinion.
fight me irl
Surprised about all the Subway hate. I had a couple of chances to eat there lately and found it perfectly acceptable. The bread (I had something called "Italian cheese bread", I think) was OK, the meat was fine, the vegetables fresh and good looking, the toppings added flavor. Maybe I have been leaving in the shadowy sad realm of bad sandwiches my whole life, but from my personal experience, Subway makes sandwiches that don't even feel like fast food, but like actual food.
Stateside or in Israel? Personally I liked Subway when I lived in Japan, but hate it stateside. I have done enough international travel to observe that food offerings and quality can vary in international chains across different countries.
(Except McDonalds...which seems EXACTLY the same in every country I have been in).
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Plus, no prosciutto (crudo or cotto), no prosciuttini, no sopressata, no capocollo, and their salame di Sant'Olcese (genoa) is under spiced, their provolone dolce is tasteless, no provolone piccante at all, no pepper shooters or cherries, no pepper spread...
I want to eat at that sub shop. Add in balsamic or good red wine vinegar and olive oil, and you have made me a very happy Evil Overlord.
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Subway's bread isn't as good tasting now that they stopped adding yoga mat plastic to it. But it probably is a whole lot healthier.
The Food babe uses totally wrong science. Try reading the Science babe, who has thrashed the Food babes ridiculous wrongheaded pseudo-science ideas .
http://gawker.com/the-food-babe-blogger-is-full-of-s#%#-1694902226
"This is Hari's business. She takes innocuous ingredients and makes you afraid of them by pulling them out of context (Michelle Francl, in a review of Hari's book for Slate, expertly demonstrates the shallowness of this gimmick). This is how Hari demonized the harmless yet hard-to-pronounce azodicarbonamide, or as she deemed it, the "yoga mat chemical," which is yes, found in yoga mats and also in bread, specifically Subway sandwich bread, a discovery Hari bombastically trumpeted on her website. However, as the science-minded among us understand, a substance can be used for more than one thing perfectly safely, and it doesn't mean that your bread is made of a yoga mat if it happens to contain azodicarbonamide, which is FDA-approved as a dough-softening agent. It simply means your bread is composed of chemicals, much like everything else you eat.
Hari's rule? "If a third grader can't pronounce it, don't eat it."
My rule? Don't base your diet on the pronunciation skills of an eight-year-old."