Tels |
Tequila Sunrise |
Okay, back to the shunning.
I think edition wars are fun.
I don't like 4th edition, I think it's a logical extension of the 3rd (Diablo 2) edition, with it's vast similarities to World of Warcraft.
I have to catch myself every single thread this pops up to not try to upset 4th-lovers.
I still think we 3rd-ists could have won the edition wars stringently, through superior arguments, and not through waiting for 4th to die on its own.Feel free to shun me. =)
As much as I like gaming with Freehold DM and the NYC Paizo group, sometimes I want to be an edition hardliner just to hold the line. So many 3ers and PFers seem to be hardline "NO I'LL NEVER PLAY 4E EVER EVER EVER," compared to the general 4er "I'd rather play 4e, but hey, I can have fun with any game" attitude. So I fear that 4e will become a ghost game simply due to a generalized one-sided compromise throughout the D&D fanbase, and as a result I feel the urge to NEVER PLAY OTHER EDITIONS EVER EVER EVER.
PS: I've thought that 3.x shares some striking similarities to Diablo since the early 00's. Heck, there actually is a Diablo TTRPG based on the 3.0 ruleset. Anyway, seeing as how PF is a much closer successor to 3e than 4e is, well...let's not go there, but I'm sure you catch my drift.
Shun me one, shun me all!
Bill Dunn |
3.0, 3.5, and PF are very similar to Diablo indeed. in fact. Diablo was based off either the the 3.0 or 3.5 ruleset i believe.
Considering Diablo debuted in 1996, Diablo 2 in 2000, the same year 3e came out, I think your information is faulty. There was a D&D supplement based on Diablo that allowed some cross-promotion, but that's about the extent of the connection.
Umbriere Moonwhisper |
Umbriere Moonwhisper wrote:3.0, 3.5, and PF are very similar to Diablo indeed. in fact. Diablo was based off either the the 3.0 or 3.5 ruleset i believe.Considering Diablo debuted in 1996, Diablo 2 in 2000, the same year 3e came out, I think your information is faulty. There was a D&D supplement based on Diablo that allowed some cross-promotion, but that's about the extent of the connection.
i guess so.
Josh M. |
As much as I like gaming with Freehold DM and the NYC Paizo group, sometimes I want to be an edition hardliner just to hold the line. So many 3ers and PFers seem to be hardline "NO I'LL NEVER PLAY 4E EVER EVER EVER," compared to the general 4er "I'd rather play 4e, but hey, I can have fun with any game" attitude. So I fear that 4e will become a ghost game simply due to a generalized one-sided compromise throughout the D&D fanbase, and as a result I feel the urge to NEVER PLAY OTHER EDITIONS EVER EVER EVER.PS: I've thought that 3.x shares some striking similarities to Diablo since the early 00's. Heck, there actually is a Diablo TTRPG based on the 3.0 ruleset. Anyway, seeing as how PF is a much closer successor to 3e than 4e is, well...let's not go there, but I'm sure you catch my drift.
Shun me one, shun me all!
Warning: Incoming Anecdotal Contrarian
When 4e was still kicking, I found a fairly(not completely) differing attitude from what you described. The resident 4-er's rallied against 3e with a vengeance, like 3e ran over their puppy or something. They got rid of all of their 3e books, and made huge investments into the 4e system(buying up every book, etc), so they felt they had to see it through since they went "all in." Us 3'ers had to make do and play what was available. I gave 4e a shot, figured out it wasn't my taste, and went back to running 3e for a while.
Then, everyone switched over to PF. I play PF, only because that's the only game my group will play now(we're all sick to death of edition wars and switching). But, I still prefer 3e over PF any day.
My Star wars group has actually been tossing about the idea of playing 3e once our SW game winds down, so this has me pretty excited.
Tequila Sunrise |
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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
As much as I like gaming with Freehold DM and the NYC Paizo group, sometimes I want to be an edition hardliner just to hold the line. So many 3ers and PFers seem to be hardline "NO I'LL NEVER PLAY 4E EVER EVER EVER," compared to the general 4er "I'd rather play 4e, but hey, I can have fun with any game" attitude. So I fear that 4e will become a ghost game simply due to a generalized one-sided compromise throughout the D&D fanbase, and as a result I feel the urge to NEVER PLAY OTHER EDITIONS EVER EVER EVER.When 4e was still kicking, I found a fairly(not completely) differing attitude from what you described. The resident 4-er's rallied against 3e with a vengeance, like 3e ran over their puppy or something. They got rid of all of their 3e books, and made huge investments into the 4e system(buying up every book, etc), so they felt they had to see it through since they went "all in." Us 3'ers had to make do and play what was available. I gave 4e a shot, figured out it wasn't my taste, and went back to running 3e for a while.
My Star wars group has actually been tossing about the idea of playing 3e once our SW game winds down, so this has me pretty excited.
Good luck getting your 3e game!
On my more lucid days, I think that all edition fans must feel some degree of the abandonment-paranoia that I mentioned. We notice the fans of other editions who rant against our own favorite, swearing never to play such 'video game TTRPGs' or whatever. Meanwhile, we hear the most vocal fans of our own favorite edition, and think "They're not really serious," or we figure that such crazy fans of our own favorite edition are rare because "We're more reasonable than the other guys, overall." So we forget about our own loudmouth fans, and worry that the other guys' loudmouth fans are more populous than they actually are.
...But on days I forget to take my medication, I think that I'm just fooling myself. :P
Maccabee |
Maccabee wrote:ShadowcatX wrote:Maccabee wrote:That is very debatable, especially given the shape they are in now. Heck, is there even a white wolf any more?ShadowcatX wrote:Mark never wrote in a vacuum so he was far from the only good writer at White Wolf, even if he was the originator. Ethan Skemp, Justin Achilli and more kept the writing quality and innovation going for many years after Rein-Hagen moved on.Freehold DM wrote:I love white wolf.I loved white wolf back when Mark Rein*Heigan (or however you spell his name) was writing for them. I don't know anything about the man's life, habits, or his legal troubles, but damn he could write.Not in my opinion. Mark stopped writing long before the ship sank, way before Revised I believe. Which means a fair portion of the successful years happened without him at the helm.
And you know what they say about opinions. That said, revised was, well, revised. It didn't bring a whole lot new to the table outside of a few bloodlines / and a couple powers being revamped. They still used Mark's world of darkness. Compare that to NWoD.
That said, you are correct, they did produce quality products based off Mark's work after he left. It was only when they ended everything he did and started anew that they really tanked.
Yes, indeed I do. In fact everything you just posted is, honestly, YOUR opinion as well. Although I 100% agree with your assessment of the nWoD.
Kthulhu |
Let's see if this works...
I don't enjoy playing PFRPG anymore. There, I said it.
Even just the core rules seem too much anymore. So many spells, minute details galore...Too much. Just not enough time for it.
Oh...and I despise reality shows...
Sounds like you need to switch to a more rule-light ruleset.
Might I suggest Swords & Wizardry?
Kthulhu |
ShadowcatX wrote:Maccabee wrote:That is very debatable, especially given the shape they are in now. Heck, is there even a white wolf any more?ShadowcatX wrote:Mark never wrote in a vacuum so he was far from the only good writer at White Wolf, even if he was the originator. Ethan Skemp, Justin Achilli and more kept the writing quality and innovation going for many years after Rein-Hagen moved on.Freehold DM wrote:I love white wolf.I loved white wolf back when Mark Rein*Heigan (or however you spell his name) was writing for them. I don't know anything about the man's life, habits, or his legal troubles, but damn he could write.Not in my opinion. Mark stopped writing long before the ship sank, way before Revised I believe. Which means a fair portion of the successful years happened without him at the helm.
Technically, Onyx Path and White Wolf are two separate entities. White Wolf these days doesn't actually seem to produce anything themselves, they just license out their properties for others to create stuff for (mostly to the aforementioned Onyx Path, at least for the tabletop RPGs).
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I have never seen a GM allow 3.x material in a PF game, nor would I ever recommend it. They shall not mix.
I don't like when Golarion flavor is stitched into mechanics.. I don't know the setting well, I never play in published settings, it's always homebrew.
I dislike it when people aren't willing to reflavor mechanics that would otherwise work. Especially traits.
"My character has spent years doing a thesis on aberrations, which explains his +2 trait bonus to Dungeoneering."
"Actually, the trait is called Snake Hater. Your character just really hates snakes, that's why he has +2 to Dungeoneering. Why does he hate snakes so much?!"
Edit: Woah, just noticed that this thread was necromanced from '13.
Tels |
I have never seen a GM allow 3.x material in a PF game, nor would I ever recommend it. They shall not mix.
I don't like when Golarion flavor is stitched into mechanics.. I don't know the setting well, I never play in published settings, it's always homebrew.
I dislike it when people aren't willing to reflavor mechanics that would otherwise work. Especially traits.
"My character has spent years doing a thesis on aberrations, which explains his +2 trait bonus to Dungeoneering."
"Actually, the trait is called Snake Hater. Your character just really hates snakes, that's why he has +2 to Dungeoneering. Why does he hate snakes so much?!"Edit: Woah, just noticed that this thread was necromanced from '13.
Well, it depends on if the mechanics are being drawn from a setting book, or a rules book.
Mechanics from the Hardback rules books (Advanced Players Guide, Ultimate Combat, Occult Adventures etc) are setting neutral and have as little setting flavor as possible tied to them (for example, they don't go into detail on the Gods given in the CRB because that's part of the setting).
Mechanics from any of the setting books do have setting flavor tied to them. So if someone is drawing from both the rulebooks and the setting books, they're going to have some hardcoded flavor into what they build. Granted, they're free to change it, but some people don't like that, especially since they should get GM permission to do it first.
DM waz up? |
I hate The future tec.
I hate overpowered monsters
I think wizards are better than sorcerer.
Druids suck... Especially in animal form.
I hate the mixture of classes so that one can cast divine spells and arcane spells together!
I hate the cleric in the group, you know. The one who you think is a healer but then runs ahead and gets stomped by mobs
I hate version 4, 5, and AD&D.
Kthulhu |
I have never seen a GM allow 3.x material in a PF game, nor would I ever recommend it. They shall not mix.
Pathfinder IS 3.x material. It's just a set of house rules for 3.5. Hell, most of the errata in Pathfinder publications for the first few years were simply places where they copy-pasted the SRD and forgot to replace some 3.5 term with it's Pathfinder equivalent.
Sharoth |
My favorite D & D rules system was 1e AD & D, followed by the EBCM system. I liked 4e when I played it, but I LOATHED how Weasels of the Coast* dealt with it. I refuse to buy anything other than the core players guide for 4e. I think GURPS rocks as does the Palladium game system. So does Traveller.
*No insult meant to actual weasels. Them I like.
Petty Alchemy RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16 |
Petty Alchemy wrote:I have never seen a GM allow 3.x material in a PF game, nor would I ever recommend it. They shall not mix.Pathfinder IS 3.x material. It's just a set of house rules for 3.5. Hell, most of the errata in Pathfinder publications for the first few years were simply places where they copy-pasted the SRD and forgot to replace some 3.5 term with it's Pathfinder equivalent.
It's like asking to use 3.0 Haste.
DM waz up? |
I hate how wizards have destroyed the best of forgotten realms and then came up with "the sundering" just to try to fix that!
As for humans... Only my wizards or strange classes. I just can't play a elf wizard... Not.At.All.
I think the bard is overpowered. With the jack of all trades... Yeah overpowered
Barbarian are nice, but why doesn't anyone be a halfling barbarian? In fact, why is the halfling a race anyways? No one plays them!
DungeonmasterCal |
DM waz up? wrote:
I love playing in pre-made worlds, but can't DM one.
I've never been able to GM a module or adventure path (even going back to my earliest days in the 80s). I'm not sure why; I just can't get into them. But I love to be a player in them.
I refuse to use the "wealth by level" guidelines. Players get the amounts I think they deserve, good or bad.
I'm also far too lazy to read this entire thread.
Jiggy RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
Subparhiggins |
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Summoner is my favorite class. And before you ask, no I'm not a min maxer, I just like designing Eidolons from an aesthetic perspective.
I am less likely to game with GMs who ban any classes, and especially if they ban certain races for stupid reasons.
I can't stand listening to people talk about caster/martial disparity. Or really anyone that moans about martials.
I don't care about combat/min-maxing, I'm here for the story and the RP.
I generally don't like home-brew settings.
I loved the first book of Skull & Shackles, and all of Second Darkness.
Jaelithe |
Golarion, in trying to be all things for all people, makes itself into a distasteful mishmash.
While I don't encourage it, I make no rules against PCs settling disputes between themselves with any means up to and including death-duels and assassinations.
I have never run a module or AP in my life, and consider it DM training wheels.
I use real world religion in my games.
DungeonmasterCal |
DungeonmasterCal wrote:Could you be more specific?Jaelithe wrote:I use real world religion in my games.I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Especially where magic and religion collide like they would in "the real world".
For example, historically, Christianity would be divine magic and might be arcane magic. Its practitioners have never been seen in a good light and have been harshly persecuted.
Feel free to pm me so as not to derail the thread. I'm just curious because I've toyed with this idea, myself.
Lemmy |
Lemmy wrote:I think Final Fantasy VIII is a piece of s&~+. Quite possibly the worst game in the series. Awful characters, awful mechanics, awful plot... Only good thing about it was its graphics, which were gorgeous for its time.I thought this was about unpopular opinions or some such?
Apparently, a bunch of peple actually like that horrible game... My guess is that it was succesful because it came after FFVII... And now nostalgia goggles make people remember is abeing better than it actually was.
Oh, and FFVII is a good game... But extremelly overrated. Sephiroth has a cool design, but otherwise is a rather lame villain...
Last but not least... I don't like Dr.Who.
Divinitus |
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As much as I love roleplaying, I sometimes miss the good old fashioned grognard style adventures where the storyline was very contrived, all roleplay fed into adventuring (Or at least kept itself close to the concept!), and interesting dungeon crawls were the order of the day!
Beyond the Magic Mirror, where art thou?!
Tequila Sunrise |
I wish Paizo would radically change Pathfinder despite the fact that I probably still wouldn't buy it.
Hm, why not?
I actually might be interested in a radically changed PF. But to be honest, I'm looking for pretty particular things, and the odds of seeing those things in PF is virtually zero unless I were to win the lottery, buy Paizo, and then head the PF 2.0 project myself. :p