yellowdingo |
Elon Musk's Hyperloop Alpha Document
A few initial Problems:
System Failures
Passenger Efficiency
yellowdingo |
Funding
Hold a global lottery selling fifty million lotto tickets for one hundred thousand dollars each. This raises 5 trillion dollars. Paying the US government fifty percent tax leaves you with 2.5 trillion dollars (paying off what the USA owes China). As this is a lottery there need to be prizes:
First prize is one trillion dollars (tax free) creating the first trillionaire. Of course we have not paid for the Project so now we have 1.5 trillion dollars which we use to build the two Sky City towers that will serve as terminals and the Hyperloop itself. Secondary Prizes will be one of the thousand apartments to be found in the two Sky-Tower Hyperloop Terminal buildings (San Francisco and Los Angeles Stations).
Because it is paid for well into the future by the Lottery (allowing a free public service) - The price of a Ticket can be as low as ten dollars a seat between LA and SF.
yellowdingo |
I've recommended a little lottery to the Mayor of Las Vegas to finance a Hyperloop Project.
Dear Mayor, May I suggest a Hyperloop Network linking Vegas to Phoenix, to San Diego, and to Fresno (each at 250 miles would be a 30 minute ride to/from Vegas).
It would be payed for by a colossal globally accessible Lottery: 2 billion tickets at 500 dollars each raising 1 trillion dollars.
*250 billion Tax
*50 billion lottery management
*Tax free Prize Pool (300 billion dollars)
1 x 100 billion dollars
10 x 10 billion dollars
100 x 1 billion dollars
Hyperloop construction and 20 years of operations 400 billion dollars providing a free public transport service to/from outlying 'suburb-cities' of Fresno, Phoenix, and San Diego.
Thoughts?
Waterhammer |
If we could just get a reliable, safe (from crime) public transit system, that would be a miracle. I actually enjoy driving, but burning gas has got to end, and in the US, at least, 75% of the people behind the wheel are clueless, or distracted, or both.
I would like to see an elevated rail system that serves even the rural regions.
The cars would need to come by every half hour minimum.
It should run in a mesh tube to keep birds out. I don't think running in a vacuum would be very reasonable. Too hard to maintain a seal.
It would not need to go that fast, 100 mph (approx 160 kph) or so. I don't see any great need to live in Phoenix and commute to San Diego, or any similar commute.
Would be cool if the array of tracks acted as a solar collector. Better still if any lightning hits could be mellowed out and used for power as well.
Celestial Healer |
Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?
No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.
Freehold DM |
yellowdingo wrote:Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.
I did not know this. How bad is fresno?
yellowdingo |
Celestial Healer wrote:I did not know this. How bad is fresno?yellowdingo wrote:Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.
Philo Beddoe lives up that way...ask him.
Orthos |
yellowdingo wrote:Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.
Phoenix is pretty bad as well. Arizona is still in the top-five states for poor employment. There's also very little there for tourism - you're better off aiming for Flagstaff or otherwise closer to the Grand Canyon if you want AZ.
Freehold DM |
Celestial Healer wrote:Phoenix is pretty bad as well. Arizona is still in the top-five states for poor employment. There's also very little there for tourism - you're better off aiming for Flagstaff or otherwise closer to the Grand Canyon if you want AZ.yellowdingo wrote:Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.
learning more every post....
yellowdingo |
Celestial Healer wrote:Phoenix is pretty bad as well. Arizona is still in the top-five states for poor employment. There's also very little there for tourism - you're better off aiming for Flagstaff or otherwise closer to the Grand Canyon if you want AZ.yellowdingo wrote:Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.
The idea here is that Vegas would do away with the residential populace - They would come in from Suburb-cities like Phoenix, Fresno and San Diego. There would be a distinct in what Vegas is - from Casinos surrounded by Private Residential Zone to Entertainment Fortress where only Employees and Tourists come and go and that Hyperloop allows it to be a Police State - ending Crime (and the current run of CSI).
yellowdingo |
POPULAR MECHANICS talks Crowd Funded Hyperloop
So what do we go with?
(A) Crowd Funded Hyperloop Company (and still being forced to pay to travel on it)
(B) Lottery Funded (and thus a free public Service)
(C) Fully Funded by a Hyperloop Startup
(D) Government Funded (Still charges a fee as an income charging public service)
Orthos |
Orthos wrote:The idea here is that Vegas would do away with the residential populace - They would come in from Suburb-cities like Phoenix, Fresno and San Diego. There would be a distinct in what Vegas is - from Casinos surrounded by Private Residential Zone to Entertainment Fortress where only Employees and Tourists come and go and that Hyperloop allows it to be a Police State - ending Crime (and the current run of CSI).Celestial Healer wrote:Phoenix is pretty bad as well. Arizona is still in the top-five states for poor employment. There's also very little there for tourism - you're better off aiming for Flagstaff or otherwise closer to the Grand Canyon if you want AZ.yellowdingo wrote:Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.
You don't want to live in Phoenix. Having visited it multiple times, you really, really, really don't. (This is, granted, the admittedly-biased opinion of someone who hates big cities.) Even the people working in Phoenix don't typically live there - they commute in from the surrounding suburbs (Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale, Chandler, etc.).
Also you apparently seem to think Police State is a good thing? Or am I misreading that?
yellowdingo |
yellowdingo wrote:Orthos wrote:The idea here is that Vegas would do away with the residential populace - They would come in from Suburb-cities like Phoenix, Fresno and San Diego. There would be a distinct in what Vegas is - from Casinos surrounded by Private Residential Zone to Entertainment Fortress where only Employees and Tourists come and go and that Hyperloop allows it to be a Police State - ending Crime (and the current run of CSI).Celestial Healer wrote:Phoenix is pretty bad as well. Arizona is still in the top-five states for poor employment. There's also very little there for tourism - you're better off aiming for Flagstaff or otherwise closer to the Grand Canyon if you want AZ.yellowdingo wrote:Would you live in Phoenix, San Diego, or Fresno if there was a Free Hyperloop network linking you to Vegas (a Potential place of Employment thirty minutes away by hyperloop)?No. Unemployment in Vegas is sky-high as it is, not to mention Fresno is a hole. Only tourists would use it, and if you are going after tourists, you'd be better off running the loop to Los Angeles. Even then, though, there would not be enough tourists to justify it.You don't want to live in Phoenix. Having visited it multiple times, you really, really, really don't. (This is, granted, the admittedly-biased opinion of someone who hates big cities.) Even the people working in Phoenix don't typically live there - they commute in from the surrounding suburbs (Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale, Chandler, etc.).
Also you apparently seem to think Police State is a good thing? Or am I misreading that?
As the criminals are forced into the desert - fleeing the police state they shall stumble across a Ratnest known as the Burning man Festival...
Orthos |
Quote:(Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale, Chandler, etc.).These all come under the heading of Phoenix, in my mind. They all kind of merge together. To quote Arcade Fire: "Dead shopping malls rise like mountains beyond mountains, and there's no end in sight..."
Oh we referred to them like that too. There's subtle differences you learn to notice when you live there long enough - Scottsdale's the suburb where all the rich folks live, Mesa's the poorer district, Tempe's "ASU The City", etc. - but for the most part yes they're all "The Valley" and especially to outsiders they all kind of do huddle together.
Glad I don't live there.
As mentioned above, living in the Phoenix Valley for eight years taught me how much I dislike big cities. I love AZ weather, but the cities are just too crowded for me.
Might have liked Tucson more if I'd gotten to visit it more than twice in the whole eight years I was there.
Freehold DM |
Waterhammer wrote:Quote:(Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale, Chandler, etc.).These all come under the heading of Phoenix, in my mind. They all kind of merge together. To quote Arcade Fire: "Dead shopping malls rise like mountains beyond mountains, and there's no end in sight..."Oh we referred to them like that too. There's subtle differences you learn to notice when you live there long enough - Scottsdale's the suburb where all the rich folks live, Mesa's the poorer district, Tempe's "ASU The City", etc. - but for the most part yes they're all "The Valley" and especially to outsiders they all kind of do huddle together.
Quote:Glad I don't live there.As mentioned above, living in the Phoenix Valley for eight years taught me how much I dislike big cities. I love AZ weather, but the cities are just too crowded for me.
Might have liked Tucson more if I'd gotten to visit it more than twice in the whole eight years I was there.
my mom was strangely obsessed with Tucson for many many years. Shevisited not too long ago and stayed for weeks. She eveNtually came back, saying it was too slow and spread out for her. Loved the visit, didn't want to stay.
yellowdingo |
So how would a nation Wide Hyperloop be of benefit to you? It entirely possible that conducting 20 lotteries over 20 years (1/year) will raise enough funds to provide for the construction of 15000 miles of hyperloop network and provide enough funds to finance its operation as a free service into the future.
Waterhammer |
Are you factoring in the substantial maintenance costs, yellowdingo?
To me, it seems impossible to run it without charging for it's use. The maintenance would be ongoing and costly. Air would be always leaking into the tube. Pumping it back out would have to be ongoing. So a great big maintenance nightmare and not able to operate for free.
yellowdingo |
Are you factoring in the substantial maintenance costs, yellowdingo?
To me, it seems impossible to run it without charging for it's use. The maintenance would be ongoing and costly. Air would be always leaking into the tube. Pumping it back out would have to be ongoing. So a great big maintenance nightmare and not able to operate for free.
Oh yes. Consider a single lottery raising 400 billion dollars for a Hyperloop network linking Fresno, San Diego and Phoenix all to Vegas. Each length of 250 miles will cost approximately one hundred billion dollars to build (including land corridor purchases - rather than culture of dispossession you have going). That means we have 100 billion remaining - and at 5% interest (5 billion a year this is sufficient to cover the continued operation and maintenance of this much hyperloop network. A Free Service Paid in Full by lottery.
The Problem is that all the wannabe Billionaires are opposed to a Free Public Service paid for by a lottery.