Fly Speed Stacking question


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If a character gains two different fly speeds and the slower one has higher maneuverability, what is the total fly speed and maneuverability?

Example: A level 15 sylph sorcerer with the elemental Air bloodline has the Wings of Air feat and Elemental movement. Wings of air gives a Fly speed equal to base speed, 30ft, (good). Elemental movement (air) gives a fly speed of 60ft(average).

A: Fly speed 90ft (good) - Add the speeds and take the best maneuverability (unlikely).
B: Fly speed 60 ft (good) - Take the best aspect of each. (follows highest bonus no stacking thinking)
C: Fly speed 60 ft (average) and 30 ft (good) - declare which one you are using each round; you can be fast or maneuverable, but not both.

Anyone have any good thoughts or better yet an faq or rules reference?


I would go with C.

I don't offhand know of any explicit rules on it, but it seems to me that faster things are less maneuverable, and almost all critters in the Bestiaries follow that model. So the Sylph is a (good) flier while she flutters along slowly at a speed of 30, but when you start zipping along with Eleemental movement at a speed of 60, you lose that extra fluttery maneuverability and must only be an (average) flier.


I've also ended up with two fly speeds. Has anyone encountered any explicit ruling on this?

I did receive an answer to a similar question with regards to having two fly speeds, stating that a character with more than one of a movement type may indeed choose between them.
However, I haven't been able to find anything in the RAW that either allows OR disallows this.

In my case, there's a Fly speed 60 ft (Good) from the Wings Discovery and a Fly speed 30 ft (Average) from Improved Beastform Mutagen. So the question is: While under the effects of the beastmorph archetype mutagen—having chosen 'fly 30' as a feature—may a character with the Wings Discovery now choose to use either fly speed for their movement?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Commander Queue wrote:

I've also ended up with two fly speeds. Has anyone encountered any explicit ruling on this?

I don't see there's a need for one. It's pretty clear. if you have two separate mechanisms for flight, you choose which one you use and it's effects and penalties if any, are what apply.


As all maneuverability does is give you a modifier on (all) fly checks, I would say it's answer B.

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