Two Weapon Warrior Questions


Rules Questions


1) Improved Balance states:
Improved Balance (Ex)

At 11th level, the attack penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by –1 for a two-weapon warrior. Alternatively, he may use a one-handed weapon in his off-hand, treating it as if it were a light weapon with the normal light weapon penalties.

Does this mean that only the off-handed weapon hand got strong enough to hold a one handed as a light, and not the primary? Or do both hands get it, and it's just specifically stated this way to dissolve any disputes that might occur with dms concerning the offhand? It seems weird that while using BOTH hands to attack only one gets stronger, but weirder rulings have been made lol.

2) Since I treat one handed weapons as lights now with normal light weapon properties I'm assuming that Weapon Finesse is usable now (woot). What kind of action is it to change a light weapon from one hand to another? I dont need to physically hold a weapon in each hand to get the buffs two weapon warrior gives, just attack with multiple weapons during the full round action, so I was planning on possibly attacking first with a weapon with designating, greater (+4 to hit, +6 to damage on all attacks made to target until my next turn for all allies), dropping the weapon(might get lucky with a dm that allows me to quick sheathe as well when i get quick draw, but I try not to assume in my favor), quick drawing a second weapon with furyborn (+1 to attack rolls if used against the same enemy, self stacking up to +5) to finish the full action attack, then switching my weapon to my off-hand and continuing the TWF feat I already have.

I noticed that physically moving 5 feet is a free action that can be done in the middle of a full action attack and switching weapon hands cant possibly take the same amount of time right?


LayZeeAce wrote:

1) Improved Balance states:

Improved Balance (Ex)

At 11th level, the attack penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by –1 for a two-weapon warrior. Alternatively, he may use a one-handed weapon in his off-hand, treating it as if it were a light weapon with the normal light weapon penalties.

Does this mean that only the off-handed weapon hand got strong enough to hold a one handed as a light, and not the primary? Or do both hands get it, and it's just specifically stated this way to dissolve any disputes that might occur with dms concerning the offhand? It seems weird that while using BOTH hands to attack only one gets stronger, but weirder rulings have been made lol.

The weight of the primary hand weapon is not a factor and never has been, only the weight of the off-hand weapon matters. So it really doesn't change the penalties if the primary hand weapon is light or not, or is treated as light or not.

LayZeeAce wrote:
2) Since I treat one handed weapons as lights now with normal light weapon properties I'm assuming that Weapon Finesse is usable now (woot).

I am not so sure of this, the feat may be intended to merely treat the weapon as light with regard to two weapon fighting. As you say, it would be strange if it made the off-hand finesseable but not an identical primary weapon finesseable. I'd FAQ this.


It's not a matter of strength but one of balance, technique, and momentum. Two-Weapon Fighting only worries about the "handedness" category of your off-hand weapon an applies penalties accordingly. If you wield a 1-h weapon in each hand, normally, you get -4/-4 with the TWF feat. Even if you had 4 arms and had a pair of 2-h weapons, it's still -4/-4. If your off-hand weapon is a light weapon, it becomes -2/-2. Improved Balance allows you to either fight with a light off-hand at -1/-1 (vs -2/-2)or you fight with a 1-h off-hand at -2/-2 (vs -4/-4).

Secondly, treating a weapon as a different category for the purpose of TWF penalties is not the same as it being a different category for other benefits. So you can't finesse it, use piranha strike, etc.

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