Pointers:
1) A golem doesn't have a soul so it cannot be resurrected.
2) It has a elemental spirit bound to it animating him.
3) The flesh golem is right now sentient and freewilled.
From what I think:
- Polymorph Any Object should do the trick (in two or three stages)
- Something else besides a well worded Miracle or Wish?
- Is there anything that can be done in order to grant him a soul?
- Inmmunity to Magic prevents spells from targeting him but: Rules for modifying a contruct should remove this in order for it to be affected by spells.
Let me know your suggestions!
Combine the spirit to a human soul, kill the golem, then cast true resurrection, bringing him back in a human body? Might have multiple personality disorder due to soul-spirit conflict.
How would you do that?
The thing is this Golem already is "awakened" sentient and free from its master. And I was wondering how to turn him into a human which might require creating a soul for him and changing his appearance. At best.
At worst just to modify his appearance so he looks human at least.
Does changing his subtype (as per the polymorph any object) automatically gives him a soul?
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Polymorph any object wont work. A Flesh Golem is immune to any spell or spell like ability that allows spell resistance. RAW, even a Wish or Miracle wouldn't work as they allow SR.
The only think I can think of in your case is if the golem gained levels in a caster class and cast disguise self or alter self, or gained enough druid levels to gain A Thousand Faces. Alternately, you could put a hat of disguise on it.
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Well, wishing on a star (and then learning some valuable life lessons) was enough to turn a wood golem into a real boy. Seems reasonable for a flesh golem. Just make sure he tells no lies. I'm not sure it'll be his nose growing if he does.
And I also recall somebody linking a vampire to a flesh golem with the intent of turning both of them into humans. I forget which one of the two ultimately killed him.
I cant find anything about this in the rules, but I think when awaken was cast on him, you were effectivly upgrading his elemental spirit to an elemental soul... The soul/spirit of somthing is the free will that controls it, so adding another soul would just give his body 2 masters...
I think all you need to turn the flesh golem into a humanoid is just polymorph its body.
Most likely there are no ready-made rules to facilitate the transformation, but I suggest praying to Pharasma to give a stillborn child's soul a chance at life by planting it into this Golem.
The very best way to do it. Possibly the only way.
How? rejecting it and then blaming him for everything wrong in my life and then following it to the north pole and not killing it?
The Witch can do this with the Forced Reincarnation Grand Hex.
An interesting idea, this.
Do you think it's supposed to reincarnate otherwise unreincarnatable creatures? If so, it could open a very nasty can of worms when applied to things like Zombies or Simulacrums.
The very best way to do it. Possibly the only way.How? rejecting it and then blaming him for everything wrong in my life and then following it to the north pole and not killing it?
Works for me. Certainly seems a better bet than what that Herbert West guy did.
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Works for me. Certainly seems a better bet than what that Herbert West guy did.The very best way to do it. Possibly the only way.How? rejecting it and then blaming him for everything wrong in my life and then following it to the north pole and not killing it?
wow, cant believe someone else remembers that story
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wow, cant believe someone else remembers that storyWorks for me. Certainly seems a better bet than what that Herbert West guy did.The very best way to do it. Possibly the only way.How? rejecting it and then blaming him for everything wrong in my life and then following it to the north pole and not killing it?
Re-Animator helps West's reputation too. ;)
Re-Animator helps West's reputation too. ;)wow, cant believe someone else remembers that storyWorks for me. Certainly seems a better bet than what that Herbert West guy did.The very best way to do it. Possibly the only way.How? rejecting it and then blaming him for everything wrong in my life and then following it to the north pole and not killing it?
Hey, I may only be a young'un (relatively speaking anyway, I'm 24) but I'm still a massive Lovecraft fan. Been reading his stories since I was about 12 years old. Haven't read a whole lot of stuff that other authors have added to the Mythos though.
Funnily enough, I haven't actually seen Re-Animator, only read the stories.
EDIT: Sorry if the response seems a bit agressive. I'm currently sitting in a hotel room in a country where I don't speak the language, and not many people speak mine, dealing with a respiratory tract infection. I've been here two weeks longer than intended, so the combination of stress from that and my head being foggy from the medication is resulting in some unintentially abrupt posts. On the plus side, hopefully I can fly home tomorrow.
Re-Animator helps West's reputation too. ;)wow, cant believe someone else remembers that storyWorks for me. Certainly seems a better bet than what that Herbert West guy did.The very best way to do it. Possibly the only way.How? rejecting it and then blaming him for everything wrong in my life and then following it to the north pole and not killing it?Hey, I may only be a young'un (relatively speaking anyway, I'm 24) but I'm still a massive Lovecraft fan. Been reading his stories since I was about 12 years old. Haven't read a whole lot of stuff that other authors have added to the Mythos though.
Funnily enough, I haven't actually seen Re-Animator, only read the stories.
EDIT: Sorry if the response seems a bit agressive. I'm currently sitting in a hotel room in a country where I don't speak the language, and not many people speak mine, dealing with a respiratory tract infection. I've been here two weeks longer than intended, so the combination of stress from that and my head being foggy from the medication is resulting in some unintentially abrupt posts. On the plus side, hopefully I can fly home tomorrow.
Poor chap! Get better! And you didnt sound aggresive at all.
The Witch (Forced Reincarnation) idea sounds perfect, but I dont know if the golem being soulless would have something into account. Other than that sounds good.
Poor chap! Get better! And you didnt sound aggresive at all.
The Witch (Forced Reincarnation) idea sounds perfect, but I dont know if the golem being soulless would have something into account. Other than that sounds good.
Phew, glad it wasn't as bad as I thought. And thankfully I got clearance from a doctor to travel today, so I'm flying home tomorrow night. I've spent five out of the last six weeks travelling around Australia, South Africa and China, so it's going to be nice to get back to Canberra and sleep in my own bed again.
As for the actual original topic, I agree that the Forced Reincarnation idea is a pretty good one. The lack of soul would probably be an issue by RAW, but as a GM I'd probably rule it works given that it's a Grand Hex.
Since PF is backwards compatible, if you have access to Savage Species there is a spell Incarnate Construct (and a corresponding template) that does this.
Since Flesh Golems are Large creatures, they'd turn into Giants rather than Humanoids, but beyond that the advice is sound.
Oddly enough, since Incarnate Construct allows Spell Resistance (though it is a Harmless spell - which might factor in) so they should be immune to it. But that would make the spell pretty much pointless.
I think the best approach would be to research a spell that does the same as Incarnate Construct and if that cannot be done. I will need to find a witch with Forced Reincarnation. Which might or might not work due to the rules in Reincarnate.
Anyhow thank you very much for all your input! :)