Empyreal Lords. Amirite?!


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One of my favorites is Smiad, the dragon slayer.

He just seems built for warriors, so it bugs me a bit that he's lawful good. A guy like that seems like he should be neutral or chaotic good. But that's neither here nor there.

Paladins, Clerics, Waricles, and the like should definitely love him. I also see Vikings, Barbarians, and Fighters paying homage to him.

I just wish there was more about him, especially with his blessings.


pH unbalanced wrote:

Reign of Winter: Tolc

"The ground trembles where Arqueros treads and legend tells that not even Baphomet’s charge could move the mighty empyreal lord."
Otherwise known as the entire world in this AP.

I'm pretty sure you meant not that, but I don't have access to the quote in question. Otherwise, awesome post!

Major_Blackhart wrote:

One of my favorites is Smiad, the dragon slayer.

He just seems built for warriors, so it bugs me a bit that he's lawful good. A guy like that seems like he should be neutral or chaotic good. But that's neither here nor there.

Paladins, Clerics, Waricles, and the like should definitely love him. I also see Vikings, Barbarians, and Fighters paying homage to him.

I just wish there was more about him, especially with his blessings.

I'm really not sure what you mean by this. Do warriors need to be chaotic good or true neutral? (Or, if that's what you meant, "neutral good or chaotic good" - the sentence structure could indicate either, so I'm covering both bases. :D)

I'm mostly just not sure of how why he needs to not be lawful good, there. As with most Empyreal Lords, I entirely agree that there needs to be more about him. :)


Well, what I mean is that he seems the type, based on description that we have for him, his primary focus is hunting dragons or formidable foes, and killing them.

That doesn't necessarily mean he should operate within the confines of the law, especially if he's going against a dragon that controls authority, such as Blue Dragons.

I'm probably interpreting him wrong, but I've felt Smiad is the type that wouldn't give a damn about laws, more about his own notoriety, his martial prowess, and his personal honor.

That says to me a more chaotic or neutral nature, less of a good one.

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Tacticslion wrote:
pH unbalanced wrote:

Reign of Winter: Tolc

"The ground trembles where Arqueros treads and legend tells that not even Baphomet’s charge could move the mighty empyreal lord."
Otherwise known as the entire world in this AP.
I'm pretty sure you meant not that, but I don't have access to the quote in question. Otherwise, awesome post!

Argh! Copy fail. Thanks for the catch.

What I meant to say was:

Reign of Winter: Tolc
"Snow-Strider and his agents help worthy individuals struggling to live in cold, inhospitable climes."
Otherwise known as the entire world in this AP.

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pH unbalanced wrote:

Carrion Crown: Ashava

"(T)he empyreal lord known as the True Spark dances in dangerous wilderness and lonely graveyards alike, leading lost spirits home."
I can't imagine anything cooler than playing a Paladin of Ashava in this AP.

EEHNG! Wrong! Ashava can't have paladins in her service. She's CHAOTIC Good.


Lack of paladins aside, you do have to admit that Ashava would be a good fit.

Personally, Zohls would be my go-to empyreal for Carrion Crown given how investigation-heavy the adventure path is.

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Oh, no question. Andoletta may work too, as there's at least one community in Ustalav that venerates her along with Iomedae and Pharasma (surprise, surprise it's practically on Lastwall's doorstep).

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My Desnan sorcerer in Carrion Crown had a few prayers sent Ashava's way, gotta admit.

For Mummy's Mask, while Shei might match up visually right out of the gate, I can't help but think that with the Pharaoh-descended trait, all the claims to pharaoh-status or its trappings going around, and possible ambitious PCs, an Osirian-flavored Olheon could fit like a glove.

"Heavy is the crown of the god-king/queen. The flail and scepter are pretty hefty too..."


I can't find a Kelinahat entry in Chronicles of the Righteous outside the cover, but I want to take the Celestial Obedience feat for Kelinahat. Am I missing something or is K not included?


Kelinahat is a lesser Empyreal Lord, listed on page 54.


Shadowkire wrote:
Kelinahat is a lesser Empyreal Lord, listed on page 54.

Thanks, she's perfect for my Shadow patron witch in Council of Thieves!

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"Live again oh mighty thread!!" lol i hope they add some background info on alot of these empyreal lords like Falayna lol


I'm about to start a game with an aasimar(emberkin) arcanist who's devoted to Irez, myself.


And lo, this thread doth riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise~!

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yay for beautiful necromancy :D hehe

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Mikaze wrote:
"Heavy is the crown of the god-king/queen. The flail and scepter are pretty hefty too..."

[tangent] Perhaps because of the Crown/Orb/Scepter of Might from 1st edition, I always wanted to see non-Western versions of the 'regalia,' such as a Sword/Jewel/Mirror for a Japanese set. An Egyptian set is harder, 'though, because there's the Crown/Uraeus/Mask, the Was/Scepter, the Ankh, the Flail, the Scarab and the Spear. Nailing it down to just three (Scepter/Flail/Crown?) becomes an issue, because some of them, like the ankh and scarab, are also pretty iconic. Coming up with thematic powers also becomes a thing. The ankh is life, the uraeus / crown is rulership and wisdom, the flail represents agriculture, the was/scepter measurement (determining value) and architecture, etc. [/tangent]

More explicitly Osirioni/Vudrani/Qadiri/Mwangi/Tien/Kellid/Ulfen/Varisian/Arcadian Empyreals could be pretty neat, dragging myself kicking and screaming back to topicality.

'Demihuman' (elf, dwarf, gnome, halfling) Empyreals, or even odder fare (such as a Tengu Empyreal or an Android Empyreal) also.

In the vein of the 'make your own archfiend' thread, perhaps we could come up with some new Empyreal options.


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Demihuman

Boo. Hiss. Badword! Badword!

(I've never liked that word. I'm aware of the reasons for its popularity and continued use - age. I still don't like it.)

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Tacticslion wrote:
Quote:
Demihuman

Boo. Hiss. Badword! Badword!

(I've never liked that word. I'm aware of the reasons for its popularity and continued use - age. I still don't like it.)

Humanoid sounds funky as well. 'Oid' isn't a particularly respectful-sounding ending for a group of people, since it is used in words like 'android' (defined as a thing pretending to be a person).

Even 'PC races' sounds kind of like 'politically correct races.' Hah. Orcs aren't politically correct. I think we already knew that...

Semi-human? Quasi-human? Anything but sub-human. :)

Now I want there to be an angel of half-blooded people (half-elves, half-orcs, aasimar, etc.) called the 'Bastard Prince.'

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I've considered doing a homebrew set in Galt where the PCs are followers of Dammerich who are set by their Empyreal cult to stop the revolution once and for all because it over utilizes execution and does so unjustly. They would go up against the Grey Gardeners and various political leaders who have used the revolution to commit murder on their political enemies regardless of their enemies actual guilt or evil deeds. I

Dammerich is all about some executing those who deserve it so they would have to determine if those being scheduled for execution should be allows to go to the gallows or not....as well as serving out justice to those who use execution unjustly.

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my game has a CN Ifrit bloodrager follower of valani who is basically the a follower because of the destruction aspect

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Set wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
"Heavy is the crown of the god-king/queen. The flail and scepter are pretty hefty too..."
[tangent] Perhaps because of the Crown/Orb/Scepter of Might from 1st edition, I always wanted to see non-Western versions of the 'regalia,' such as a Sword/Jewel/Mirror for a Japanese set. An Egyptian set is harder, 'though, because there's the Crown/Uraeus/Mask, the Was/Scepter, the Ankh, the Flail, the Scarab and the Spear. Nailing it down to just three (Scepter/Flail/Crown?) becomes an issue, because some of them, like the ankh and scarab, are also pretty iconic. Coming up with thematic powers also becomes a thing. The ankh is life, the uraeus / crown is rulership and wisdom, the flail represents agriculture, the was/scepter measurement (determining value) and architecture, etc. [/tangent]

I need this in my life.

and hopefully in Wayfinder #12!

And seconding that "make your own Empyreal Lord" thread proposal. :)

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Humanish, humanesque?


Set wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Quote:
Demihuman

Boo. Hiss. Badword! Badword!

(I've never liked that word. I'm aware of the reasons for its popularity and continued use - age. I still don't like it.)

Humanoid sounds funky as well. 'Oid' isn't a particularly respectful-sounding ending for a group of people, since it is used in words like 'android' (defined as a thing pretending to be a person).

Even 'PC races' sounds kind of like 'politically correct races.' Hah. Orcs aren't politically correct. I think we already knew that...

Semi-human? Quasi-human? Anything but sub-human. :)

Now I want there to be an angel of half-blooded people (half-elves, half-orcs, aasimar, etc.) called the 'Bastard Prince.'

Totally agree: "sub-human" is worse, by far. :)

Demi means "partial" or "half". While suggestive of interesting origins, most people colloquially recognize it as "lesser" (i.e. "demi-god").

Humanoid bothers me as well, but, given that it's an actual word we use in real-life it at least gets a pass at accomplishing what it's trying to (I just have a hard time thinking of elves thinking of themselves as "humanoid".

"Bipedal" is better... but still iffy.

Personally, I like the idea of calling sentient creatures currently defined as humanoids as "biped sophonts" but that's not only a mouthful, it's two words, where one will do. Biped should suffice, though, as it holds more accuracy than "humanoid" for creatures like Tengu.

In some ways I like 4E's Keyword system. Unfortunately, their execution of that system was never as strong as it really should have been.

Of course, if they actually published using words like sophont and biped and the like, we'd have a group of gamers with a higher vocabulary, and that's never a bad thing. :D


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Personally I've got a homebrewed Couatl empyreal lord for some Arcadian-themed adventures.

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FormerFiend wrote:
Personally I've got a homebrewed Couatl empyreal lord for some Arcadian-themed adventures.

Ooh, a Couatl Empyreal sounds very cool. A bit of Quetzalcoutl/Kukulkan, perhaps.

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