So.
You're a low-level rogue with a potion of invisibility. You drink the potion, get +20 to your stealth. But then let's say, you roll a 2 on your stealth check.
Still pretty high, but let's say the opponent is a couple CRs higher than the party, and has a huge Perception check, and they beat it.
So they've managed to pinpoint the Rogue's location. But the Rogue is still invisible and has total concealment. Can the Rogue still be the target of single-target magic spells cast by the opponent, like Charm Person? Does the 50% miss chance apply to non-attack spells (again, like Charm Person)?
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The rules for Concealment answers that question.
Total Concealment
If you have line of effect to a target but not line of sight, he is considered to have total concealment from you. You can't attack an opponent that has total concealment, though you can attack into a square that you think he occupies. A successful attack into a square occupied by an enemy with total concealment has a 50% miss chance (instead of the normal 20% miss chance for an opponent with concealment).
The rogue can't be targeted with the spell, only the area of the square can. Since the spell isn't an area effect spell then the target is invalid and the spell doesn't work.
Easy answer is as long as that rogue stays invisible he can't be affected by any targeted spell.
I just wasn't sure if "attack" was meant to only mean weapon attacks, or spells that require touch attacks. (Cause a targeting does not require an attack roll)
I just wasn't sure if "attack" was meant to only mean weapon attacks, or spells that require touch attacks. (Cause a targeting does not require an attack roll)
The reason it fails is because "target" based spells only work if you can see the creature.
Mathwei ap Nial is correct, but he used the incorrect rule. His rule was for weapon based attacks. It is not a general rule since you can attack an invisible creature with a fireball, and yes fireballs are attacks.
Here is the correct rule.
Aiming a Spell
You must make choices about whom a spell is to affect or where an effect is to originate, depending on a spell's type. The next entry in a spell description defines the spell's target (or targets), its effect, or its area, as appropriate.Target or Targets: Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.
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I just wasn't sure if "attack" was meant to only mean weapon attacks, or spells that require touch attacks. (Cause a targeting does not require an attack roll)
If it calls for an attack roll or a savings throw it's an attack and unless it's an area effect spell you have to see your target to actually target them.
An attack is kind of a vague term but in general any action that would cause you to drop out of invisibility is an attack.
Sweet. Thanks guys. The aiming a spell section is what I was looking for. Couldn't find it. (Tried "Targeting a Spell" "Casting Targeted Spells" "Casting Spells", etc. etc.)
So targeting has been addressed but my question is, would the Rogue still retain total concealment against someone who nullified his stealth check? The perception check would nullify the stealth and the effects granted by it.
That is the situation they were talking about (four years ago). The rogue gets total concealment from their potion of invisibility, not from stealth.
Invisibility grants total concealment against those that can't see invisible things.
Stealth makes people unaware of you/hides your location.
The two often get conflated, but are not the same.
Correct. Replace the rogue with Fighty McFullPlate and don't even bother trying to use Stealth. You still have total concealment due to invisibility.