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His reasons for sacrificing his freedoms for others' and Julian Assange shows support. We've assumed our government was spying on us for years...turns out we were right.
wut
Everyone is talking about him. At least all my news sources are.
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Game of Thrones spoiler:
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LOL, exactly what I was think.
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LOL, exactly what I was think.Game of Thrones spoiler:
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he's the dwarf guy, right?
antiwar.com was promoting this: Sign the White House Petition to Pardon Snowden
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD
let's see if Wyden can get the intelligence director to face perjury charges for sworn testimony...
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We didn't want to wind up on another watch list for cheering him?
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All my other posts were mysteriously deleted.
We didn't want to wind up on another watch list for cheering him?
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If the sheeple were halfway intelligent, they'd give back all those cell phones. Especially Verison users. Why didn't Verison inform me of this breach in my privacy? Are they afraid I'd cancel?
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I feel an epic smug alert.....as if,.....10,000,000 tin foil hats crinkled at the same time and said "I told you so. Byichez."
I told you so, biznitch.
@Zim--Because they were issued a gag order.
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Hopefully he doesn't get caught...
LOL, exactly what I was think.Game of Thrones spoiler:
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I don't even read/watch SoIaF/GoT and this is where my mind went.
The guy's all over Imgur and Reddit and that's about the extent I've seen of him, since I don't watch TV or read news. There seems to be a pretty even split over whether or not he's legit.
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Or the NSA fed him information they wanted to do so they can find there leak and Snowden fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
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That seems less likely, but terrifying if it was true.
Way to go Pigeon. Now Jay Carney is gonna use that for his "blowin smoke" talking points.
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I feel an epic smug alert.....as if,.....10,000,000 tin foil hats crinkled at the same time and said "I told you so. Byichez."
I felt a disturbance in Liberty, as if millions of voices cried out "see!!?!" and were silenced.
Hey, computer agencies that contract out to private corporations are subject to external security and internal regulations/internal affairs.
Reminds me of an old Star Trek episode. Cant remember the running name.
Supposedly he doesn't have a high school diploma but yet he's got a $200,000 salary?
Four people I know dropped out of high school, got a GED, enrolled in college to get an early start, and ended up with six figure salaries...I'm ashamed that I didn't do the same.
Well, here's his wiki page with footnotes to track down.
According to it, he does have his GED. His former employer disputed his salary, but...well, you can read it for yourself.
I don't pretend to be a surveillance or technology expert, but from what I've been reading there were two leaks: the PRISM leak (which, indeed, we've known they can do for years) and the Verizon-seize-everybody's-phone-records leak.
Which, I've been reading, is an interpretation of Section 215 (or something) of the FISA Act that nobody in the public and only certain members of the Congress knew about until his leak.
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That it's a real leak has been confirmed by the reaction and statements of the government and NSA figures. Come on.
That they're trying to extradite him/prosecute him (besides the more subjective reactions to him, and empty accusations of him working for foreign countries) means it is real. And that means that sworn testimony to congress by intelligence directors (as well as public statements of government) were lies, i.e. perjury. Something's a bit off about THAT, I'd say.
Also I wonder why he'd wait till now to break the story?
He explained that, he wanted to earlier but was drawn in by the idea that Obama would change things, except the only change was expanding these types of unconstitutional programs, so he eventually gave up on that hope. Since he's very familiar with the government intelligence and security apparatus, going from the decision to do this and carrying it out certainly must have taken a while for him to formulate his plan, from selecting and gathering the documents themselves to planning how to escape safely and deal with the aftermath. .
I found this article from The New Republic rather helpful.
I'm sure others have, um, others they could recommend.
And two opposing articles from the same radical-liberal website on the wisdom of fleeing to Hong Kong:
A Whistleblower Holding All The Cards: Why is Edward Snowden in Hong Kong? by DAVE LINDORFF
Failure to Protect Snowden: Greenwald Botches NSA Leak by KEN KLIPPENSTEIN
Beats me. I don't even know how to clear my browser history.
Although...
"The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track foreign targets, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.
The program, code-named PRISM, has not been made public until now. It may be the first of its kind. The NSA prides itself on stealing secrets and breaking codes, and it is accustomed to corporate partnerships that help it divert data traffic or sidestep barriers. But there has never been a Google or Facebook before, and it is unlikely that there are richer troves of valuable intelligence than the ones in Silicon Valley.
Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: 'Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.'"
So it appears that this claim comes from the leaked document. Although I haven't seen the document.
@Guy Humual: Are you saying the documents are false? Or he's a patsy and someone else is the actual leak?
edit- for clarity.
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I recently started watching Person of Interest. A few days later this whole story came out.
I found that somewhat poetic. ;-)
@Guy Humual: Are you saying the documents are false? Or he's a patsy and someone else is the actual leak?
edit- for clarity.
I'm not entirely sure Irontruth, but I do find it very hard to believe that internet companies have given the US government direct access to their data. I'm sure they've complied with court orders but this report seems to be suggesting that PRISM has some sort of back door built into these companies. I think that's absolutely an impossibility, not because it can't be done, but because no company would agree to something like that.
Now is this document forged? I have no idea. Maybe we're seeing something like what BluePigeon suggested and someone filtered him this document to see if he was the leak? It might explain why he suddenly decided to go public with what he knew.
You're probably right, the back door probably doesn't exist, but that's largely irrelevant.
An analogy: You'll let me borrow your car, but you're not giving me my own key. It sounds like you're in control. Then we add the fact that you're obligated to say 'yes' every time I ask. Sure, I have to ask, but you can never deny me.
The fact that I don't have a key to the car seems to be the most minor part of that situation IMO.
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I'm not entirely sure Irontruth, but I do find it very hard to believe that internet companies have given the US government direct access to their data. I think that's absolutely an impossibility, not because it can't be done, but because no company would agree to something like that.
"I do find it very hard to believe that government agencies were used to spy on political opposition. I think that's absolutely an impossibility, not because it can't be done, but because no government official would agree to something like that."
--somebody in 1972
Also the fact that Snowden is in China of all places . . . that really does seem odd.
Hong Kong actually. There's a subtle difference.
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Fox news: Their approval fills you with shame!
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Why should we be talking about this guy? Just because he has documentation to back up what anyone with a brain had already figured out as soon as the Patriot Act was passed.
Besides, the only phone in history that wasn't tapped was the one that Bell used to call Watson on.
You ever been on a party line? There has NEVER been any reasonable expectation of privacy on the telephone. If you had such an expectation, that was totally irrational of you.
His story will totally be backpage by next week, and you will never hear about it again. Just ask Winston Smith down at the Ministry of Truth how that works.
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Not that subtle. Considering the number of cyber attacks against the US that originate in China and considering this is someone with supposed insider information on the US security I'd say his choice of vacation city is curious at best. Less eyebrows would be raised if he were in Singapore, Korea, or Japan. Better yet, why not Iceland or Ecuador? Places championing freedom of speech and supporting whistle blowers?
Are we supposed to think that he's not there to make some sort of sale of information?
Likely because of the way extradition agreements are worded. It's entirely possible that Iceland and Ecuador are able to extradite to the US anybody for any reason, while Hong Kong doesn't deport people accused of crimes of political nature.
PRISM is hardly the first of these things. Or has everyone already forgotten the uproar over ECHELON at the turn of the century?Although...
"The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track foreign targets, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.
The program, code-named PRISM, has not been made public until now. It may be the first of its kind. The NSA prides itself on stealing secrets and breaking codes, and it is accustomed to corporate partnerships that help it divert data traffic or sidestep barriers. But there has never been a Google or Facebook before, and it is unlikely that there are richer troves of valuable intelligence than the ones in Silicon Valley.
It's a quote from The Washington Post. If you will look up six posts from the one quoted, you will see that I made the exact same point.
And I will stress again: PRISM--seen it before; seizing everybody's phone records, a la Verizon--previously unknown to everybody except the dudes on Dixie Diane's Senate Committee (maybe some other gov't dudes).