Comrade Anklebiter |
Is the GPS on a smart phone that accurate, or is it using the same tech that tells the screen to flip?
Couldn't say. But there's an article on Business Insider interviewing CIA Chief Technology Officer Ira "Gus" Hunt, that makes some claims.
Unfortunately, Business Insider isn't working real well today (NSA?) and I can't get the actual text up again.
Nicos |
Speaking of Cuba, here is a reminder of why the US government should cut on the false indignation and outrage when some other country refuse to aknowledge its extradition demands : Luis Posada.
Here is a full blown terrorist, guilty of dozens of civilians deaths (the most emblematic being the bombing of Cubana Flight 455, 78 victims) who currently is living in Miami despite the fact that various foreign countries actively and continuously ask for his extradition.
But hey, he was a CIA agent ! How can't they see the obvious difference ?
I have wondered for years if this story is well known in the US. I can not believe that they just simply do not care about a guy that put a bomb in a civil airplane killing so many innocent people.
Comrade Anklebiter |
No, of course it isn't.
He was on trial last year or the year before, for lying to U.S. immigration when he applied for asylum. I'm pretty sure he was found not guilty. The only place I saw it getting news coverage was on CounterPunch.
But the only people I have ever met who knew who Juan Posada Carilles, or the School of the Americas, or Efrain Rios Montt, or any of the other terrorists and dictators subsidized by the United States of America, are communists. Okay, maybe some radical liberals, too.
The American press is kind of a joke.
Guy Humual |
One wonders if he's been detained for questioning. I suspect that even with all the spying the US government has been doing that it probably seems pretty benign compaired to the old KGB. I'd guess that if he had anything on flash drives or computers the Russians probably have copies now.
Course lets not forget that targeted computer virus that hit Iran a few years back. It's pretty unlikely but I still question the route he's taking to get to Ecuador. He's essentially traveled through two of the countries that probably do the most spying on the US and supposedly he still has unreleased sensitive information.
Guy Humual |
What, he's been to Israel already?
Just saying that the technology is out there, not that the US had anything to do with that cyber attack on Iran or that the US could match Israeli hackers, or that Snowden is any sort of living Trojan horse, defecting from the USA, like a gift, and seemingly accepted by the US's rivals. But it would make for a great movie though.
Guy Humual |
Information works like that. He doesn't need to have it.
If he's worth what he was being paid he won't have it on him. But the Russia probably has some pretty smart hackers of their own, and given time I'm sure they could hack Snowden's computers and possibly retrieve it from wherever he hid it on the WWW. Maybe not but I'm sure they're looking over his equipment as we speak, if he is indeed in Russia. Maybe he's still in China.
Comrade Anklebiter |
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:What, he's been to Israel already?Just saying that the technology is out there, not that the US had anything to do with that cyber attack on Iran or that the US could match Israeli hackers, or that Snowden is any sort of living Trojan horse, defecting from the USA, like a gift, and seemingly accepted by the US's rivals. But it would make for a great movie though.
No, I meant,
He's essentially traveled through two of the countries that probably do the most spying on the US and supposedly he still has unreleased sensitive information.
What, he's been to Israel already?
bugleyman |
...Russia probably has some pretty smart hackers of their own, and given time I'm sure they could hack Snowden's computers and possibly retrieve it from wherever he hid it on the WWW. Maybe not but I'm sure they're looking over his equipment as we speak, if he is indeed in Russia. Maybe he's still in China.
No way. If this guys has half a brain (and by all accounts, he does), then whatever drive he used was subjected to a DOD-grade wipe (and likely destruction) shortly thereafter. Drives are cheap, but certainty isn't.
thejeff |
Guy Humual wrote:...Russia probably has some pretty smart hackers of their own, and given time I'm sure they could hack Snowden's computers and possibly retrieve it from wherever he hid it on the WWW. Maybe not but I'm sure they're looking over his equipment as we speak, if he is indeed in Russia. Maybe he's still in China.No way. If this guys has half a brain (and by all accounts, he does), then whatever drive he used was subjected to a DOD-grade wipe (and likely destruction) shortly thereafter. Drives are cheap, but certainty isn't.
I don't follow.
If he wipes it, he doesn't have access to it anymore, which means he can't prove anything.If he doesn't have anything more than he's already told, then he can wipe them, but why bother: He's already given the info to the world.
If he's got something else then it does matter, but wiping it defeats the purpose of having anything else.
Guy Humual |
I suspect, and I'm not a computer expert, but there's all sorts of places that you can dump files anonymously that he could remote access, and that's likely what he's done with his files rather then carrying a jump drive. Buuuut you need to access those files I suppose, and I doubt just cleaning you internet history is enough to keep those cleaver hackers from following bread crumbs back to wherever he's hidden those files. Especially if they have his computer.
bugleyman |
I don't follow.
If he wipes it, he doesn't have access to it anymore, which means he can't prove anything.
If he doesn't have anything more than he's already told, then he can wipe them, but why bother: He's already given the info to the world.
If he's got something else then it does matter, but wiping it defeats the purpose of having anything else.
The assertion to which I was replying was:
"...hack Snowden's computers and possibly retrieve it from wherever he hid it on the WWW." (emphasis mine)
The assumption (not mine) was that he stored the evidence on the Internet, and that our hypothetical investigators would be able to tell where by examining the hard drive of the computer used to upload it.
bugleyman |
I suspect, and I'm not a computer expert, but there's all sorts of places that you can dump files anonymously that he could remote access, and that's likely what he's done with his files rather then carrying a jump drive. Buuuut you need to access those files I suppose, and I doubt just cleaning you internet history is enough to keep those cleaver hackers from following bread crumbs back to wherever he's hidden those files. Especially if they have his computer.
I wouldn't describe myself as a computer expert either, but you're correct -- just clearing one's cache doesn't actually remove the files. It just makes the operating system not show them to you.
BigNorseWolf |
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Quote:what bothers me abour these three, but especially the last two, is that the people involved were ready and willing to pay the ultimate price for what they were doing.i think snowden IS risking death with this.
Quote:I realize myopinion is not popular in this, but I do not see snowden doing this here. I think people are inferring the wrong things from 1984 in this one.What specifically is the difference?
An Inglorious Basterd |
Apparently Norway is considering re-evaluating Snowden's asylum application.
Maybe it's so they can finally shout "NO-WAY" and giggle like school girls. Or maybe there's a "There's your snow, enjoy" joke in there somewhere.
If this drags on much longer, it'll be winter in Norway and he may find himself snowed in.
Quandary |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/18/white-house-silent-renewal-nsa- court-order
"Do I have a reasonable expectation of privacy in anything but maybe a letter I hand-deliver to my wife in a [secure facility]?" asked Blake Farenthold, a Republican from Texas.
At Wednesday's hearing, Litt was asked by Bob Goodlatte, the chairman of the House judiciary committee, if the administration thought if a surveillance program "of this magnitude … could be indefinitely kept secret from the American people?"
"Well," Litt replied, "we tried."
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Icyshadow |
Indeed. I found a rather fitting quote after digging around.
"You begin to see problems - But how do we get others to wake up ?
The environment is designed to prevent it - almost an analogy to the MATRIX movie.
Still very little in the media, and people are either kept so busy, or distracted in several ways to have the time to notice."
Also, anyone ever heard of a guy named Bill Benson? He apparently wrote a book about the 16th Amendment that got banned for some reason.
thejeff |
By moving I meant doing something about all the corruption and oppression around there in the US.
Then again, the US isn't the only one suffering of this. Sadly, most are content at watching the trainwreck for now.
Yes, but what? That's the problem.
Vote the corrupt oppressors out? and replace them with equally corrupt, equally oppressive who are also promising even worse things?
Street protests? That'll be ignored and won't even be covered by the media unless the cops get out of control?
Violent uprising? Are things really bad enough that a messy civil war with probably millions dead and small chance of a better outcome is a good plan?
World wide socialist revolution?
Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
I see your plan is to sit and do nothing, which is of course the worst thing to do. Props to you, jeff.
They're ready to detain people indefinitely. What else is there left aside from a violent uprising by this part?
It is not clear that even a violent uprising would succeed at this point. In other words, we may already be boiled frogs.
thejeff |
Indeed. I found a rather fitting quote after digging around.
"You begin to see problems - But how do we get others to wake up ?
The environment is designed to prevent it - almost an analogy to the MATRIX movie.
Still very little in the media, and people are either kept so busy, or distracted in several ways to have the time to notice."
Also, anyone ever heard of a guy named Bill Benson? He apparently wrote a book about the 16th Amendment that got banned for some reason.
Seriously? This is where you're going? A tax scammer?
His book may have been banned, which I'd be against, but his nonsense is still being spewed all over the internet, so it's not like his opinion is being repressed.
It may also be that he just wasn't allowed to sell it as a tax avoidance package, which doesn't seem quite so bad to me.
thejeff |
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I see your plan is to sit and do nothing, which is of course the worst thing to do. Props to you, jeff.
They're ready to detain people indefinitely. What else is there left aside from a violent uprising by this part?
So, I see your plan is to give up on democracy as a bad idea and try to seize power by force. Props to you.
thejeff |
Now you're just putting words in my mouth. *Sigh* I never said anything about giving it up.
Also, what is there to give up over there? Over there in the US, democracy has been dead for a while now.
"What else is there left aside from a violent uprising by this part?"
And now again "democracy has been dead for a while now."
I asked what you thought people should do, you responded with nothing but violent revolution. Is it really surprising that I assumed you'd given up on democracy? At least for the US. A country that you don't live in, but seem quite willing to advocate civil war for.
Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
You know what? I'm not even going to entertain you with a response anymore. I see no reason to bother anymore.
If this thread and all the other news lately haven't shown you that the US is a police state by now, you're beyond hope.
I think an actual Police State would be better then the Kleptocracy we have now. :(