Words of Power oracles


Rules Questions


The oracle class states:
"Oracles do not need to provide a divine focus to cast spells that list divine focus (DF) as part of the components."

The words of power rules state:
"Each wordspell is assumed to have a material, somatic, and verbal component. Divine casters using this system must provide a divine focus instead of a material component."

Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Would a WoP oracle need a divine focus, or a regular material component, or neither?

Also, an oracle "adds all of either the cure spells or the inflict spells to her list of spells known (cure spells include all spells with “cure” in the name, inflict spells include all spells with “inflict” in the name)". Would that include effect words with "cure" in the name? (I presume not, although personally I'd prefer to just say that words of power oracles get all of the effect words in the Healing group rather than adding cure spells to their spell list, like the spontaneous casting ability for words of power clerics.)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Since it's a totally non-supported system, the answer is....

DM's choice.

Dark Archive

DM's choice. I went for the Divine Focus required and choice of either all the Healing or the Wounding wordspell groups.

So far no issues.


Since words of power is a new base magic system, I would think the rules for Oracle supersede the base magic system. Much like a sorcerer eschews materials, so an oracle eschews divine foci. That be my GM logic. But I don't have a problem playing the other way other since presenting a divine focus is hardly going to be difficult to do.

It doesn't look like the oracle gets any love on the heal/wound effect words:

UM Words of Power wrote:
Oracles and Sorcerers: Oracle and sorcerer wordcasters gain bonus spells from their mysteries or bloodlines respectively, just like their spellcasting counterparts, and can cast these spells in addition to their wordspells by using up the appropriate spell slots. They can exchange effect words for new effect words according to their normal progression, but may not exchange their mystery or bloodline bonus spells.

So unlike the cleric entry, the oracle entry does not mention heal/wound effect words at all. Whether this is an oversight or intentional, I dunno. But by RAW, it looks like they don't get them free. But as GM I could be convinced otherwise.


Avianfoo wrote:
Since words of power is a new base magic system, I would think the rules for Oracle supersede the base magic system. Much like a sorcerer eschews materials, so an oracle eschews divine foci.

That would be my logic, too. But would you interpret that as meaning they would use normal material components or no material components?

Avianfoo wrote:
But I don't have a problem playing the other way other since presenting a divine focus is hardly going to be difficult to do.

Likewise.

Avianfoo wrote:
But as GM I could be convinced otherwise.

I asked my GM about this already, and he said I could take my pick, so I selected the Healing group effect words.


hogarth wrote:
Avianfoo wrote:
Since words of power is a new base magic system, I would think the rules for Oracle supersede the base magic system. Much like a sorcerer eschews materials, so an oracle eschews divine foci.

That would be my logic, too. But would you interpret that as meaning they would use normal material components or no material components?

Divine casters don't usually use material components (except the expensive ones)

Magic wrote:
If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).

My reading of what was quoted in the OP is basically M/DF. So DF replaces M and Oracle ignores DF. So it all goes away in a happy puff of logic.

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