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The crappy thing is that while I love the way Marvel has been setting up their universe, they have already sold large chunks off to other studies which they will probably never get back. Marvel can't touch X-men, Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, etc. DC actually has there entire stable together, but can't seem to get their acts together to figure out what to do with the characters. Oh how I wish the roles were reversed, and DC had sold off their properties and Marvel had everything in house.
I actually kind of prefer the way it's ended up, if only because the Avengers movie might have been the 'Wolverine and his Amazing Friends' show, if they'd been allowed to go that route. Because Wolverine (and Spider-Man) are unavailable, we instead got an Avengers movie with more 'classic' Avengers in it.
As for DC, if they can dominate the small screen with Arrow and perhaps this new Flash venture, then more power to them. And I think I'd rather they keep shying away from doing a Wonder Woman movie, than put out a bad one, and perpetuate the notion that movies about superhero women won't sell.
The crappy thing is that while I love the way Marvel has been setting up their universe, they have already sold large chunks off to other studies which they will probably never get back. Marvel can't touch X-men, Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, etc. DC actually has there entire stable together, but can't seem to get their acts together to figure out what to do with the characters. Oh how I wish the roles were reversed, and DC had sold off their properties and Marvel had everything in house.
Remember, Disney owns Marvel now & Disney has deep pockets. If they really want their IP's back, they will find a way to get them back...
Though to be painfully honest, I'm afraid I only care peripherally at best. Both Marvel & DC are effectively irredeemable as far as I can see. All either of them really is is an IP holding company any more...
The crappy thing is that while I love the way Marvel has been setting up their universe, they have already sold large chunks off to other studies which they will probably never get back. Marvel can't touch X-men, Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, etc. DC actually has there entire stable together, but can't seem to get their acts together to figure out what to do with the characters. Oh how I wish the roles were reversed, and DC had sold off their properties and Marvel had everything in house.Remember, Disney owns Marvel now & Disney has deep pockets. If they really want their IP's back, they will find a way to get them back...
Though to be painfully honest, I'm afraid I only care peripherally at best. Both Marvel & DC are effectively irredeemable as far as I can see. All either of them really is is an IP holding company any more...
They would have to offer a lot of money though for that to happen, enough to outweigh any future profits the franchise could squeeze out, not to mention allowing a competing studio to be able to put out blockbusters to compete with their own movies. So yeah...Disney could buy them out, but I think the only way Fox or Sony would agree is if they got into dire financial states and needed a lot of cash quickly
The crappy thing is that while I love the way Marvel has been setting up their universe, they have already sold large chunks off to other studies which they will probably never get back. Marvel can't touch X-men, Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, etc. DC actually has there entire stable together, but can't seem to get their acts together to figure out what to do with the characters. Oh how I wish the roles were reversed, and DC had sold off their properties and Marvel had everything in house.I actually kind of prefer the way it's ended up, if only because the Avengers movie might have been the 'Wolverine and his Amazing Friends' show, if they'd been allowed to go that route. Because Wolverine (and Spider-Man) are unavailable, we instead got an Avengers movie with more 'classic' Avengers in it.
As for DC, if they can dominate the small screen with Arrow and perhaps this new Flash venture, then more power to them. And I think I'd rather they keep shying away from doing a Wonder Woman movie, than put out a bad one, and perpetuate the notion that movies about superhero women won't sell.
can't agree enough.
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[pouts] I bet she just has a two-second walk-on part...maybe not even any spoken dialog.[/pouts]
My wife and her gay husband have given four thumbs down to this actress playing Wonder Woman. They find her too skinny.
On the upside, apparently she's worked in Israeli Special Forces so she knows how to fight.
Skinny does not automatically mean weak...
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Skinny does not automatically mean weak...
No, but "Amazonian" generally indicates "tall and muscular."
For me, it's the same thing if somebody cast a skinny, non muscular guy to play Superman. And for once I think we'd actually be hearing similar objections. In a weird, sad way, it's actually cool in a way to hear someone complaining a woman doesn't look powerful enough (rather than thin enough or gorgeous enough.
MIND I THINK SHE MAY BE FINE FOR THE PART. Let's see what happens.
(Secretly, I'm just nursing bitterness that Jaimie Alexander wasn't cast.)
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Probably 'too old' (by casting standards), but I'd still want someone who looks like Claudia Black as Wonder Woman.
On the upside, apparently she's worked in Israeli Special Forces so she knows how to fight.
She was a sports trainer (aka fitness instructor) in the Israeli Defense Force for two years, which all Israeli citizens are required to join by law.
Now she probably has more training than most Hollywood actresses as a result, but it's not like she saw combat or has any particular level of training that most Israeli women do not.
On the upside, apparently she's worked in Israeli Special Forces so she knows how to fight.She was a sports trainer (aka fitness instructor) in the Israeli Defense Force for two years, which all Israeli citizens are required to join by law.
Now she probably has more training than most Hollywood actresses as a result, but it's not like she saw combat or has any particular level of training that most Israeli women do not.
Okay. That's what I get for noting something off a comment board without double checking facts.
Still if she was a fitness instructor, she probably knows how to prepare for the part.
Probably 'too old' (by casting standards), but I'd still want someone who looks like Claudia Black as Wonder Woman.
When Joss Whedon was involved, he was looking at Morena Baccarin - who is of partial Mediterranean ancestry. Italian by way of Brazil, not Greek, but close. If she could have handled the physicality, she definitely could do the acting. Today, she is 34, which limits how long she could maintain the role of a character that is functionally immortal.
Claudia is 41, which puts an even shorter window on the time she could play the part.
I like Morena Baccarin, but for whatever reason, the idea of her as Wonder Woman never clicked with me. Just a gut reaction. She can be warm and she can be tough but there just wasn't the right... it... there.
Yeah, not keen on Eliza Dushku either.
I actually liked Adrienne Palicki, it's just the actual pilot was terrible.
Off topic, but I always thought Morena Baccarin would be absolutely perfect for the Scarlet Witch, I'm really disappointed that it's not happening in Avengers 2.
Yeah, not keen on Eliza Dushku either.
I actually liked Adrienne Palicki, it's just the actual pilot was terrible.
I've never been able to locate this terrible pilot on the web--anyone know where to get a look?
She was a sports trainer (aka fitness instructor) in the Israeli Defense Force for two years, which all Israeli citizens are required to join by law.Now she probably has more training than most Hollywood actresses as a result, but it's not like she saw combat or has any particular level of training that most Israeli women do not.
This.
I think there are a bunch of women in the UFC etc that could do a more convincing job.
Can we use real women who can actually fight and look convincing than these walking spokesmodels please?
Gina Carano did well in her movies - and would make a FAR more solid Wonder Woman.
As originally designed (1940s), Diana was both feminine and athletic--Gina appears too much of a body builder to me.
What movies has Gina Carano been in Shifty? I agree she looks the part.
The only one that comes to mind is Linda Hamilton for the second Terminator. Maybe they can just give her a similar trainer/exercise plan as Henry Cavil & Ben Affleck? It's not like they always walk around with such ripped bodies. ;)I hope she works out for the part. Her arms are way too skinny to be an Amazon's.This bothers me too and I hope somehow this works out but I'm not seeing it yet.I'd worry about someone asking her to do it, though. I don't recall that many stories about actresses bulking up for an action-part.
If my first exposure to Lucy Lawless was D'Anna Biers or Lucretia, I'd never have believed she'd be able to bulk up enough to play Xena. Women have a much harder time bulking up and keeping it on than men, so expecting Christian Bale-levels of weight gain isn't possible or remotely fair for Gal Gadot. I'd've preferred it if she was closer to Henry Cavill's height so she could stare Supes in the eye, but that's just a quibble. I haven't seen any of the F&F movies, but the consensuses seems to be Gadot can act... and that's the most crucial requirement to me. I'm willing to give her the benefit of doubt.
I understand the benefits to DC of putting her in Man of Steel II, but I have zero faith that Snyder, the writers, and the f!&~wit meddling DiDio/Johns/Lee advising team can or will give her role anything meaningful and true to the spirit and legacy of Wonder Woman. My greatest fear is she'll just be glorified arm candy/"treasure" to be won by Bats or Supes, a "strong" women who still needs and is defined by her relationship to a man. It's also likely they'll smear her with the same gritty uber-violent spectacle h*~*#*%%~ that was so popular in the last MoS. None of which is true to her character.
Diana demonstrated that she is physically and mentally the best of the Amazons, who are no slouches themselves. She worked her ass off to earn the job as ambassador to the world of Man, much as Wayne did to become the Dark Knight of Gotham. And, like comics Batman, she is a smart badass warrior that doesn't need to kill to defeat her foes. But unlike movie Bats or this brooding killer Superman, she believes in hope and redemption... qualities MoS II is going to desperately need. As others have said, she is the reason pre-nu52 comics BatWayne discovered how much humanity he still possessed. She could work that thread in the planned Justice League and beyond. And she could help guide this unskilled broody thug Supes down the path of the true warrior to become the Tim Daly/Christopher Reeve Superman.
But I have no hope we'll see anything like that Diana.
What movies has Gina Carano been in Shifty? I agree she looks the part.
She was a Muay Thai MMA fighter, and was apparently in the last Fast & Furious movie (which I haven't seen). She was also the kickass black ops agent in Steven Soderbergh's Haywire, easily as good as the Matt Damon Bourne movies; I'd definitely recommend you give it a rent.
There's something about Gina Carano that convinces me she couldn't play Wonder Woman. I don't think she possesses the acting chops to be anything more than what she appears—a badass chick. Wonder Woman deserves more.
We either get 'great personality' spokesmodels, or we get convincing action women.
When it comes down the line about which option is better, I will pay convincing presence and fighting skills over an actress that looks like she couldn't knock the skin off a custard tart.
Deathquaker,
With Ronda Rousey coming up in the next Expendables, I am delighted to see these much more capable women coming through and bringing the chops - literally, instead of these vapid bits of fluff.
I'm with DQ in lamenting they didn't go with Jaime Alexander. Not only does she have looks and acting ability,
Actually this is my main beef, she doesn't have the looks.
Fighters look like fighters, this chica doesn't look like she could even swing a punch with meaning and probably never has - and with that goes her credibility in the role.
It's like Tom Cruise in action films, oh how it makes me laugh.
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Every time I see this thread I can't help but feel a compulsion to answer the OP's question with:
"Take her to a cobbler."
.. and there, I finally succumbed to that compulsion...
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I'm with DQ in lamenting they didn't go with Jaime Alexander. Not only does she have looks and acting ability,
Actually this is my main beef, she doesn't have the looks.
Fighters look like fighters, this chica doesn't look like she could even swing a punch with meaning and probably never has - and with that goes her credibility in the role.
Jaimie Alexander? She plays Sif in the Thor movies--and looks pretty badass doing it. If you don't think she cuts it, you've got some crazy high standards.
If you were talking about Gal Gadot, I think you copied the wrong quote then...
Kalshane, your speculation is certainly worrisome, even if entirely speculation.
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Kalshane, FWIW, I loved Man of Steel -- and to me, there was little but messages of hope and heroism and overcoming great odds; I left the theater with a big grin on my face. (The one exception WAS one of the Pa Kent scenes, which seemed very contrived, but it didn't ruin the whole movie for me.) I just do NOT see the bleakness others have read into it, just as they absolutely cannot see the joy I got out of it. Sadly somehow I doubt neither camp will ever see the other's POV. I think it's very much the kind of film that individuals' mileage with it varies very widely, everybody's take home is a little bit different. Ergo, I strongly recommend seeing it for yourself -- you may find you dislike it, but you may also find yourself enjoying it, and either way, it's the kind of thing that if you want to have an opinion on it, you absolutely need to form it based on your having experienced watching the movie yourself.
Anyway, I am not concerned with the writers of Man of Steel writing a heartless Wonder Woman based on Man of Steel.
I do however expect them to screw up Wonder Woman because it's Warner Brothers, and because it's Hollywood.
Jaimie Alexander? She plays Sif in the Thor movies--and looks pretty badass doing it. If you don't think she cuts it, you've got some crazy high standards.
That doesn't look badass. I work with women all day long that look badass, and it looks nothing like the lamb-like photo placed up there.
I don't have crazy high standards, I just expect there to be some 'authenticity', and she doesn't look authentic as a warrior at all.
Yeah.
Your girl's great rack is visible.
/facepalm.
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Every time I see this thread I can't help but feel a compulsion to answer the OP's question with:
"Take her to a cobbler."
Just as long as they don't give her high heels.
Good God does that bug the hell out of me. I might go into Single Issue Wonk territory here, but damn. It doesn't bother me if they're on Raven-types or whatnot, but highheels on combat-centered heroines just make me...uurrghhh....
Man, when Ed Brubaker/Darwyn Cooke's reboot of Catwoman had her using practical boots, I was like, awesome, they made her sexy and practical! And now it seems every variation of that Cooke-design in new comics and other media has her in anklebreakers.
This may be hypocritcal but while I will wholeheartedly accept Power Girl Windows on certain characters, combat stilletos always always make me >:(
Dominatrix-themed characters* notwithstanding. Sometimes even then.
*Originally intended as a flippant remark but there really are a lot of them aren't there?
Jaimie Alexander? She plays Sif in the Thor movies--and looks pretty badass doing it. If you don't think she cuts it, you've got some crazy high standards.
That doesn't look badass. I work with women all day long that look badass, and it looks nothing like the lamb-like photo placed up there.
I don't have crazy high standards, I just expect there to be some 'authenticity', and she doesn't look authentic as a warrior at all.
The link was just to be sure you knew who I was talking about.
As for the differences between the woman in the photo and the actress, Jaimie Alexander looks broader shouldered and more muscular and looks more like she can handle a broadsword?
Sorry, I don't see where you're coming from. We'll just have to agree to disagree, especially as it's all entirely academic anyway, and someone even less fit or warrior-like is playing Wonder Woman.
Kalshane, FWIW, I loved Man of Steel -- and to me, there was little but messages of hope and heroism and overcoming great odds; I left the theater with a big grin on my face. (The one exception WAS one of the Pa Kent scenes, which seemed very contrived, but it didn't ruin the whole movie for me.) I just do NOT see the bleakness others have read into it, just as they absolutely cannot see the joy I got out of it. Sadly somehow I doubt neither camp will ever see the other's POV. I think it's very much the kind of film that individuals' mileage with it varies very widely, everybody's take home is a little bit different. Ergo, I strongly recommend seeing it for yourself -- you may find you dislike it, but you may also find yourself enjoying it, and either way, it's the kind of thing that if you want to have an opinion on it, you absolutely need to form it based on your having experienced watching the movie yourself.
Anyway, I am not concerned with the writers of Man of Steel writing a heartless Wonder Woman based on Man of Steel.
I do however expect them to screw up Wonder Woman because it's Warner Brothers, and because it's Hollywood.
cant favorite this enough. I maintain hope for wonder woman.