Samsaran Mystic Past Life + Unsanctioned Knowledge Feat

[shinitra]

So, I have a player with a Samsaran Cleric who took the Mystic Past Life alternate racial trait. He is now asking, if he takes Paladin spells, for example, Bless weapon, with the MPL ability, can he then take the Unsanctioned Knowledge Feat (included below for ease), to get even more spells from other places?

While I think it's a "clever" idea, my inclination is "No." Looking for feedback/advice.

Thanks!

Unsanctioned Knowledge
You have searched though forbidden texts and are privy to powerful but proscribed magic.

Prerequisites: Int 13, ability to cast 1st-level paladin spells.

Benefit: Pick one 1st-level spell, one 2nd-level spell, one 3rd-level spell, and one 4th-level spell from the bard, cleric, inquisitor, or oracle spell lists. Add these spells to your paladin spell list as paladin spells of the appropriate level. Once chosen, these spells cannot be changed.

[Benn Roe]

Technically he's not able to cast "paladin spells." He's able to cast cleric spells borrowed from the paladin list. They become cleric spells once they're added to the cleric spell list for this character.

On the other hand, if you want to teach him a munchkinning lesson, let him take the feat. It doesn't actually do anything for his character anyway, since it adds the spells to his "paladin list," which he doesn't have.

[Kydeem de'Morcaine]

I would say no.
He is not casting paladin spells, he gets that spell added to his cleric list.
Besides the feat adds other spells to his paladin spell list. he does not have a paladin spell list.

Edit: ninja'd again.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

Ha!

"Sure, go ahead and take that feat. What spells do you want? Ok, those are added to your paladin spell list."

"Wait, what?"

"Sorry, no takesie-backsies."

[ShadowcatX]

No. The samsaran is casting cleric spells that just happen to come from the paladin list, not paladin spells.

And I didn't realize that this was from before I went to lunch. So ya. . . What they said.

[master_marshmallow]

I rule it like I rule Battle Blessing from 3.5, that is, the spell must be prepared in a paladin spell slot for the feat to be applicable, if he has no paladin spell slots, then he is ineligible for the feat.

[shinitra]

Thanks for the feedback all. That's all pretty much what I was thinking, but love getting confirmation that I'm not just "being mean." And as he's a relatively new player to Pathfinder, I don't feel the need to "teach him a lesson" though that is tempting for some of the silly questions I get from more seasoned people. :)

[StreamOfTheSky]

Samsaran is adding the spells to your list. They become cleric spells. You are not actually casting "paladin spells" at that point, they are just "cleric spells that happen to also be on the paladin spell list." Much like any other spell that ends up on multiple lists or is normally unique to one class but is granted as a domain spell, and so forth.

[Shane LeRose]

Though everyone is correct by RAW and RAI I'd allow it just because that is so dang clever!

But then I'd ban the combo for anyone else.

[insaneogeddon]

In that case it follows that with mystic past life you can be a druid and add things like teleport as a cleric spell.

Because "they are just wizard spells that happen to also be on the cleric spell list."

[Azten]

Teleport is on a Domain list(travel), not the cleric class list. I'd say it doesn't work. ;)

[insaneogeddon]

But if its on the wizard list and so you would say it REALLY counts as wizard

then

If you gain something on the paladin list it REALLY counts as a paladin spell and so 'unsanctioned knowledge' works.

[Slacker2010]

Shane LeRose wrote:

Though everyone is correct by RAW and RAI I'd allow it just because that is so dang clever!

But then I'd ban the combo for anyone else.

My GM does this with combos, works for the first person to find it. Banned for everyone else.

[insaneogeddon]

First person to plagerise it you mean...