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The Evil Queen wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
The Pathfinder Kelpie and Rusalka actually are not that far off from mythology. The Leshy is, but then the Leshy also has a couple of different name variants, so we could still get something like the folklore version (complete with squirrel gambling!)

Kelpies are not humanoid, they are horses.

Rusalka... They can't do stuff with their hair and they are undead, not fey.

I can name a lot more, but I don't have the time.

Nope

Kelpies are shapeshifters...a horse is just the form they often use to hunt with. in some folklore their natural form is that of a monstrous humanoid.

Rusalka are said to form from the souls of drowned women, but there standard description and how they act also puts them with Fey. the difference between an undead spirit and a fairy in folklore is pretty hazy...most if not all fairies have been connected with the dead at some point, either as beings dwelling in the underworld, or spirits that form from the souls of pagans, sinners, or unbaptized children. I don't actually recollect much off the top of my head about their hair in folklore, nor does wikipedia mention it, so it can't have been that important to the legend


Damn... here I was typing away a very large block of text and then internet exployer failed me when I pushed the Submit Post buttom..

Well anyway.

What About Alraune? Adaro? Cerberus? And most of all Zomok.

I'll in love with all, and I'll hope they continue that tradition.

I don't think they ever add a cannibal eating human with tar under his feet anyway...

+ Making creatures up isn't going to work, they will never take those ideas into the books. But if you twist some mythical creatures around, (like me doing with Fossegrim/Buggane/Alpluachra and some others) they may be used in the book with that minor changes applied to them.

And if my memory served me well, then I remember you MMCJawa wanting both Batibat and Kaw Kaw as ooze-creatures.

Well why not Black Tamanous? I think that creatures fits it more to become ooze than those two fatties. Well we never agree to this anyway, so why you guys don't wish for the normal Black Tamanous here? So we can see which version will be in the Bestiary 5, 6 or 100? :-)


Alraune was never really a mythological creature. More of a creature inspired by a novel of the same name, rather than an original creature.

I don't see how the Adaro is different. Nor Cerberus. Three headed dog, and in some legends, they are skinless. And I don't see how the rusalka is different, aside from adding spells which would fit her theme.

Zomok exists as it does because there is little information about it. Literally all I could find was "Winged snake that is a mount for wizards." So with creatures like that, with little description about them, they take liberties with. For that, it's fine to do that because there isn't much description.

With Tamanous, there is enough description to form the creature. And really, with any creature, there will be some liberties taken to help it fit better with an RPG. I just think that keeping it as close as possible to the original when we have a good description about the original is good.


Alraune = Mandragora
Vouivre = Wyvern.

Adaro is suppose to have this huge horn on its head much like a marlin.

Cerberus = Unique and I never read anything about it being skinless.

Bunyip is another one that really looks different from the myth, while the descriptions of the creature are vague at best, CR 3 doesn't really suit a creature that all aboriginals fear and which is suppose to be the most terrifying beast in the lakes.

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According to some tales the tamanous could be identified by the tarry black footprints that it left behind wherever it walked, but otherwise appeared as a more or less normal person.

Well what fun would that be? A human with tarry footprints, at least make it more monstrous then.

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It is not immediately clear whether the tamanous is a spirit, demon, undead, transformed human or some other species of monster - but most legends seem to agree that it is not unique.

Lol, see, so they don't even know what TYPE of monster the Tamanous is. So it could be ooze, demon, or maybe a daemon killed on cannibalism.


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Kaw Kaw is described as being a grotesque ogre like creature that can ooze under doors and such to get at its victims. So it at least has some sort of ooze-like properties

My take on Batibat was the creature actually oozing out of the wood that was collected. There are other takes possible I suppose, but I wanted to distinguish it from the various dryad like creatures in myth.

I do think Paizo does a good job with mythological creatures, I just honestly think that as is there is enough with the Black Tanamous to make an awesome creative creature from myth. I don't mind them changing around more obscure creatures that have a sentence of description in most sources.

At any rate, honestly, taking a folkloric monster's name and inventing a creature around it is not going to help something get into a Bestiary any better than just saying "I would really like a tar-like ooze that infects people" I suspect describing things in super detail in either case is doesn't really help.


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According to some tales the tamanous could be identified by the tarry black footprints that it left behind wherever it walked, but otherwise appeared as a more or less normal person.

Still the Black Tamanous would still be nothing more than an ordinairy human-looking thing with tar under his feet.

To make it any interesting, it should grow some monstrous indentity, ok, turning it into an ooze is maybe too far off from the real myth, but I just took this creature from my own RPG game-list of creatures which features only mythic names, and because Real myths lack in Vermin, PLants and Oozes I had to take some monsters and turned them plant, vermin or ooze.

I thought the Black Tamanous actually being the tar (which is oozy) that leaks in his footprints would be a awesome twist on the otherwise boring human creature. (my opinion, i'm sure other people would like it being 100% human disguised, but I wouldn't)

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The Evil Queen wrote:
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According to some tales the tamanous could be identified by the tarry black footprints that it left behind wherever it walked, but otherwise appeared as a more or less normal person.

Still the Black Tamanous would still be nothing more than an ordinairy human-looking thing with tar under his feet.

To make it any interesting, it should grow some monstrous indentity.

I agree with Sincubus here. A person with tar covered feet. [sarcasm] yay. [/sarcasm]

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Cr500cricket wrote:
The Evil Queen wrote:
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According to some tales the tamanous could be identified by the tarry black footprints that it left behind wherever it walked, but otherwise appeared as a more or less normal person.

Still the Black Tamanous would still be nothing more than an ordinairy human-looking thing with tar under his feet.

To make it any interesting, it should grow some monstrous indentity.

I agree with Sincubus here. A person with tar covered feet. [sarcasm] yay. [/sarcasm]

Maybe have it like a sophistocated sort of earth/fire elemental type critter that takes the form of a humaniod, aside from the soles of their feet. (for some odd reason)


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yeah but there is no reason to take it that way.

Give it the ability to shapeshift into human form, and describe it as a tar covered monstrous humanoid. Maybe like a bigfoot dipped in Tar. Bam


Sounds like a tar themed aberration with the amorphous quality.


Lol, I did this a million times in the past, changing stuff up, from Sirrush and it's merge ability to Echeneis being a magnetic Remora and Ichneumon being a giant wasp that hunts dragons.

But why Black Tamanous is so important to you all that I can't change it? OF all monsters i've changed this is my favorite, mostly because I don't like the true description, and because its a cool excuse to have another mythic ooze, and because it has ZERO pictures on google, giving the mind some free space to create your own.

Because its native american?

I also changed up Haeitlik and Uktena a few pages back, didn't hear anything about those.


It could also turn into animals that are made of tar or animals that leave burning tar tracks that act as rough terrain.

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The Evil Queen wrote:
I thought the Black Tamanous actually being the tar (which is oozy) that leaks in his footprints would be a awesome twist on the otherwise boring human creature. (my opinion, i'm sure other people would like it being 100% human disguised, but I wouldn't)

The thing with cannibals is you can't be a cannibal unless you eat your own kind. So a tarry ooze that skulks around in a human skin isn't really a *cannibal* unless it eats other tarry oozes that walk around in human skins...

On the other hand, folklore is rarely so precise. The wendigo is considered a cannibal spirit, since it started out as a cannibalistic human, and then became something else entirely. A tamanous could function similarly, starting out as a human cannibal, but being 'eaten up from within by its dark hunger' until there's nothing left beneath the skin of the former human but a black mass of hunger (with ooze stats).

Medium Ochre Jelly stats with the ability to disguise itself and enough intelligence to pass as human (so not mindless), and regeneration instead of split (to represent its ability to regrow its skin) should be adequate.


The Evil Queen wrote:

Lol, I did this a million times in the past, changing stuff up, from Sirrush and it's merge ability to Echeneis being a magnetic Remora and Ichneumon being a giant wasp that hunts dragons.

But why Black Tamanous is so important to you all that I can't change it? OF all monsters i've changed this is my favorite, mostly because I don't like the true description, and because its a cool excuse to have another mythic ooze, and because it has ZERO pictures on google, giving the mind some free space to create your own.

Because its native american?

I also changed up Haeitlik and Uktena a few pages back, didn't hear anything about those.

Probably because none of us had thought hard about those. Incidentally some of your adaptations I like...and some I don't. I just try not to write rebuttals for everything I disagree with.

I do generally disagree with your tendency to make everything exxtreme evilz or a tendency to just take a monsters name and discard everything else

This is forming a tangent that would be better served by really by forming it's own thread.


Set wrote:
The Evil Queen wrote:
I thought the Black Tamanous actually being the tar (which is oozy) that leaks in his footprints would be a awesome twist on the otherwise boring human creature. (my opinion, i'm sure other people would like it being 100% human disguised, but I wouldn't)

The thing with cannibals is you can't be a cannibal unless you eat your own kind. So a tarry ooze that skulks around in a human skin isn't really a *cannibal* unless it eats other tarry oozes that walk around in human skins...

On the other hand, folklore is rarely so precise. The wendigo is considered a cannibal spirit, since it started out as a cannibalistic human, and then became something else entirely. A tamanous could function similarly, starting out as a human cannibal, but being 'eaten up from within by its dark hunger' until there's nothing left beneath the skin of the former human but a black mass of hunger (with ooze stats).

Well my idea was, that the black tar turns creatures it possesses/corrupts into cannibals, and feeds on the act of cannibalism itself.

I also like your idea about the cannibal turning into a black mass of hunger. But then again, what would be its artwork? The ooze or the cannibal or both? Like the cannibal being half flesh and half ooze, in the middle of the progress of turning into a full black ooze.

BTW, a Ooze monster that feeds on other oozes isn't a bad idea! So my wish is: A cool ooze creature that feeds on other oozes and which gains some stats (of the other ooze it eats) while doing so.


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Okay, so here's my final list of what I'm hoping to see in the Bestiary 5. Please note that when I put the various Celestials whose names have already been done by Wizards of the Coast I'm trying to say that Paizo can put a "new spin" on them (like they did with the Cervinal).

For example: the "Sword Archon" could be a Archon with blade like wings that can generate a "blade barrier" around itself and the "Warden Archon" can be Heaven's version of the Apostate Devil (which oversees the various prisons of heaven and converts evil beings to "lawful good").

Angel [Primal], Ariel
Angel [Primal], Azrael
Angel [Primal], Cherub
Angel [Primal], Seraph
Angel [Primal], Tharsis
Agathion, Equinal
Agathion, Musteval
Agathion, Loxonal
Agathion, Lupinal
Agathion, Ursinal
Ape, Tyrant [Megaprimatus]
Archon, Justice
Archon, Sword
Archon, Throne
Archon, Tome
Archon, Warden
Azata, Firre
Azata, Noviere
Azata, Shiere
Azata, Shiradi
Azata, Tulani
Devil, Cabal [Uniila]
Devil, Devourer [Voraxagon]
Devil, Pleasure [Lilim]
Devil, Assassin [Salikotal]
Devil, Tinder [Ukobach]
Devil, Warmonger [Levaloch]
Devil, Wrath [Chortov]
Dragon [Chromatic], Brown
Dragon [Chromatic], Grey
Dragon [Chromatic], Orange
Dragon [Chromatic], Purple
Dragon [Chromatic], Yellow
Dragon [Metallic], Colbalt
Dragon [Metallic], Iron
Dragon [Metallic], Mercury
Dragon [Metallic], Orium
Dragon [Metallic], Steel
Golem, Amber
Golem, Ash
Golem, Book
Golem, Chalk
Golem, Gemstone
Golem, Gold
Golem, Magma
Golem, Manacle
Golem, Mud
Golem, Obsidian
Golem, Rope
Golem, Salt
Golem, Sand
Golem, Soap
Lycanthrope, Werecrow
Lycanthrope, Weresaurian
Lycanthrope, Wereskunk
Vampire, Strigoi


If they could go for 3 Archdevils, that would be swell ^_^


Chalk and soap golems sound a little weird but if they have interesting abilities I am game for them.

I like the fact that Pathfinder has different types of vampires so yeah more types would be cool.

If I was going to pick three lycanthropes for B5, I would pick werefox, weresnake, and wereraven(or owl).


I actually statted up a soap golem, though it was much more macabre. It was made out of human fat that the masters (nakaq, look it up) had harvested from their victims. So it was less silly and more body horror for the players.


I would change the name book golem to tome golem, that sounds cooler.

Maybe soap golem should be lye golem as well.

You could use animal fat instead of human fat, it would draw less attention so you could go about your evil plans;)

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When was the last time the wishlist has been consolidated? Sometimes it's hard to catch up.

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Project: J-ko wrote:
I just want a stat block for Nyarlathotep.

Nyarlathotep isn't a Great Old One; he's an Outer God. And currently there aren't any plans that we know of for Pathfinder stats for gods.

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I'd love to see the Gloom brought back. Those were cool epic assassins. They'll be a lower CR and likely won't get epic weapons, but that's fine. Just having them back in general would be nice.


They could make the Gloom a type of darkfolk.


Adam Daigle wrote:
When was the last time the wishlist has been consolidated? Sometimes it's hard to catch up.

April? Trying to find a job that actually uses my PhD has kind of mentally worn me down from doing more than reading posts here, for the most part :(

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Dragon78 wrote:
They could make the Gloom a type of darkfolk.

That could probably work.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
When was the last time the wishlist has been consolidated? Sometimes it's hard to catch up.
April? Trying to find a job that actually uses my PhD has kind of mentally worn me down from doing more than reading posts here, for the most part :(

I feel ya there. Thanks for the work you did gathering everything up. :)

Grand Lodge

More golems. For Bestiary 5, I'd like to see the half-golems make a comeback. And, it's 3.0 open license, I'd like to see the Godflesh Golem from Requiem for a God get updated.

Silver Crusade

I know it's somewhat gross...

But I'd like to see offal and dung golems.

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Any word on when (approximately) Bestiary 5 will be published? I might add a few monsters to the wishlist, too.

I also have some interesting Bestiary 5 wishlist related news, but can't spill the beans quite yet... :P


There has not been a official announcement for a Bestiary 5 but I am sure we will get one eventually.


The remaining creatures from the Adventure Paths I want to see in the Bestiary 5.

Creatures from Rise of the Runelords:
- Sandpoint Devil (could be renamed into something else, the Jersey Devil should be in a bestiary!)
- Carrionstorm (I know they are in another manual, but I want them in bestiaries as well)
- Skull Ripper (I know they are in another manual, but I want them in bestiaries as well)
- Scanderig (I know they are in another manual, but I want them in bestiaries as well)

Creatures from Curse of the Crimson Throne:
- Danse Macabre (I don't think they are Golarion-specific at all)

Creatures from Second Darkness:
- Swamp Barracuda

Creatures from Legacy of Fire:
- Hadhayosh
- Black Jinn
- Sruvara Azi (other artwork needed tho)

Creatures from Council of Thieves:
- Ukobach (other artwork would be nice)
- Aspidochelone (other artwork and size)
- Vrykolakas (Can't believe they weren't in Bestiary 4...)

Creatures from Kingmaker:
- Drekavac
- Bog Strider
- Calathgar/Hail Lily (Ice-based plants are awesome!)
- Skrik Nettle (Best. Creature. EVER.)

Creatures from Serpent's Skull:
- Eurypterid (not all the subtypes, just a normal giant Eurypterid)
- Glass Urchin
- Biloko
- Chemosit/Nandi Bear (other artwork)
- Camulatz
- Mokele-Mbembe (This should really be in bestiaries)
- Impundulu
- Obambo (other artwork)
- Inkanyamba (Other artwork)
- Umdhlebi (other artwork)

Creatures from Carrion Crown:
Vilkacis

Creatures from Jade Regent:
- Giant Toe-Biter
- Hala
- Yamabushi Tengu
- Nogitsune (maybe with 9-tailed fox art)
- Saumen Kar
- Chon Chon
- Kijimuna
- Raiju (My ultimate favorite creature, should be in bestiary 5 at all cost.)

Creatures from Skull & Shackles:
- Dunkleosteus (best prehistoric creature in my opinion)
- Black spot Urchin
- Coral Capuchin (With varieties as Brain Coral, Blood Coral)
- Gigas Clam (Awesome creature, horrid location, should be in bestiary 5 as I always forgot about it being outside of a AP bestiary)
- Addu

Creatures from Shattered Star:
- Bishop Agathion (other art needed)
- Wolpertinger (Other art needed)
- Bogwid (other art needed)
- Bogwiggle
- Polevik (Other art needed)
- Mezlan (other art needed)

Creatures from Reign of Winter:
- Frost Fir
- Domovoi
- Ovinnik (with artwork)
- Dawn Piper
- Mirror Man
- Azgenzak
- Kokogiak
- Sangoi
- Ursikka
- Poludnica (other art needed)

Creatures from Wrath of the Righteous:
- Vescavor Queen
- Lamhigyn/Water leaper (Best. Art. Ever.)
- Corpse Lotus

Creatures from Mummy's Mask:
- Ahkhat (Hope this awesome creature isn't Golarion-specific)
- Guardian Scroll
- Shasalqu (hate the name tho)
- Scarab Swarm
- Sha
- Giant Assassin Bug (awesome!)
- Giant Walking Stick
- Serpopard
- Thriae Dancer
- Living Sandstorm
- Ammut

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Mystic_Snowfang wrote:

I know it's somewhat gross...

But I'd like to see offal and dung golems.

Haggis golems! (Shaped like purple worms, natch. In Soviet Golarion, sheep's stomach with meat and barley eats you!).


Peering through the Iron Gods bestiary has some awesome familiar options I'd love to see in the Bestiary 5.

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I'd like to add Blast shadows and Cutlass spiders to the Second Darkness monsters and The Spartolos from Council of Thieves.


Spartolos = Udaeus from bestiary 4 sweety :-p

They renamed them because Spartolos was too much like Sparta, something that doesn't excist in Golarion. Udaeus = a spartolos in mythology, so they named the entire race after one Spartolos.

I think they did the same with the Stygira from Kingmaker, that one got replaced by the Greaea, I think the Stygira was based on the Graeae back then. Not 100% sure tho.


***MINOTAUR OFFSHOOT***
Montrous humanoids with bull-like features and parts.
- Arzshenk (Persian) (Huge) (Demonic Minotaurs)
- Erchitu (Sardinian) (Large) (Corrupted Oxmen tortured by little imps that follow them around.)
- Sarangay (Phillipine) (Large) (Elemental minotaurs based on crystals)

***LIZARDFOLK OFFSHOOT***
These are monstrous humanoids that have reptilian blood and parts on their bodies, most look more reptilian than human.
- Atosis (Native American) (Medium) (All Atosis are shamans, often used as shamans by true lizardmen or troglodytes.)
- Brobinyak (English) (Large)(The largest of lizardfolk, and born with dragonblood.)
- Cipactli (Aztec) (Large)(Crocodile-type lizardfolk with strange maws over their entire body.)
- Intulo (African) (Medium) (Smaller, but not kobold-small, lizardfolk that are very fast.)

***UNICORN***
Unicorns are magical mammals, but they also have some fae-blood in them, most of them resemble horses, tho other mammals-versions of the unicorn are known to excist. There are more gentle than evil Unicorns in the world, but these are only the evil/neutral versions.
- Karkadann (Persian) (Large)
- Shadhavar (Persian) (Medium)
- Sin-You (Chinese) (Huge)

***CHIMERAE***
These are magical beasts that are made off different parts from different animals, mostly two or three different species merged into one. They are just as violent and cruel as normal Magical Beasts but even more intelligent and capable of strange magical powers.
- Afanc (Welch) (Medium)
- Calopus (Medieval Bestiary) (Small)
- Dobhar-Chu (Irish) (Large)
- Hsigo (Chinese) (Small)
- Mishibizhiw (Native American) (Large)
- Nguruvilu (Mapuche) (Large)
- Serpopard (Egyptian) (Large)
- Yale (Medieval Bestiary) (Large)

***SEA SERPENT***
Some could be dragon-based Sea-Serpents tho.
- Bakunawa (Phillipine) (Colossal)
- Haietlik (Native American) (Large)
- Ikuchi (Japanese) (Huge)
- Jormungandr* (Norse) (Colossal)

***GNOME-LIKE CREATURES***
Gnomes. These small creatures enjoy mischief above all else, they just want to make their own lives confortable, if others must suffer while doing so, all the better.
- Amadan (Irish) (Small)
- Barbegazi (Swiss) (Small)
- Clurichaun (Irish) (Small)
- Curupira (Brazilian) (Small)

***TROLL***
Fae Giants are known as Trolls, these big brutes are hatefull, ugly and addicted to flesh. They are pretty scared for Hags, and often serve them as bodyguards or slaves.
- Antaeus (Greek) (Large)
- Yehwe Zogbanu (African) (Huge)

***BOOGEY***
The most horrid group of Fae is called the Boogeys, these bogeymen often prey on the weak and young. Fear and terror is what these evil creatures are after. Bogeymen all look very different from eachother, and only the taste of fear binds them together. Bogeys sometimes serve more powerful fae, but never for long, they rather play with their victims, young children.
- Bauk (Serbian) (Medium) (Shadow Bogeymen that teleport through shadows.)
- Bloody Bones (English) (Large)
- Bodach (Scottish) (Medium)
- Kaw Kaw (Maltese) (Large)
- Krampus* (Swiss) (Large)
- Nachtkrapp (Germanic) (Huge)
- Shellycoat (Scottish) (Medium)(Sea bogeyman dressed in sharp and dangerous shells, use shields and weapons made from large and bizarre shells.)
- Yara-Ma-Yha-Who (Australian) (Small)

***ELEMENTAL***
These elemental beings are made 100% from the elements that create life, water, fire, earth and wind, and any combination from those four.
- Aipalookvik (Inuit) (Colossal)
- Brollachan (Scottish) (Huge) (mist monster that turn you crazy when you walk into them, showing you your worst fears and turning you insane while feeding on your decreasing sanity.)
- Cherufe (Mapuche) (Huge)
- Enenra (Japanese) (Large)
- Nargun (Australian) (Large) (horrible looking rock-monsters with the vague appearances of water-based insects.)
- Planetnik (Slavic) (Colossal)
- Raiju (Japanese) (Small)
- Rarog (Slavic) (Medium) (Shapeshifting terror fire-elementals.)


The Evil Queen wrote:

Spartolos = Udaeus from bestiary 4 sweety :-p

They renamed them because Spartolos was too much like Sparta, something that doesn't excist in Golarion. Udaeus = a spartolos in mythology, so they named the entire race after one Spartolos.

I think they did the same with the Stygira from Kingmaker, that one got replaced by the Greaea, I think the Stygira was based on the Graeae back then. Not 100% sure tho.

Spartolos and Udaeus though are pretty different monsters in Pathfinder, even if they share a common origin in mythology. Spartolos after all are basically the skeleton soldiers from Jason and the Argonauts, while Udaeus is closer to the original version in myth. I don't remember what the Stygira are like, but I am guessing they are also very different monsters in Pathfinder (and unlike the former set of creatures, Graea and Stygira don't share common origins)


Still I think Spartolos was one of the creatures that got a remake. Don't think they are gonna use 2 versions of that creature in the bestiaries.


The Stygira are cool, they get different abilities based on what type of gem stone they use to see with. I would like them to be in B5 along with the Spartolos, though I think the Spartolos should get new art.


The Evil Queen wrote:

***MINOTAUR OFFSHOOT***

Montrous humanoids with bull-like features and parts.
- Arzshenk (Persian) (Huge) (Demonic Minotaurs)
- Erchitu (Sardinian) (Large) (Corrupted Oxmen tortured by little imps that follow them around.)
- Sarangay (Phillipine) (Large) (Elemental minotaurs based on crystals)

***LIZARDFOLK OFFSHOOT***
These are monstrous humanoids that have reptilian blood and parts on their bodies, most look more reptilian than human.
- Atosis (Native American) (Medium) (All Atosis are shamans, often used as shamans by true lizardmen or troglodytes.)
- Brobinyak (English) (Large)(The largest of lizardfolk, and born with dragonblood.)
- Cipactli (Aztec) (Large)(Crocodile-type lizardfolk with strange maws over their entire body.)
- Intulo (African) (Medium) (Smaller, but not kobold-small, lizardfolk that are very fast.)

***UNICORN***
Unicorns are magical mammals, but they also have some fae-blood in them, most of them resemble horses, tho other mammals-versions of the unicorn are known to excist. There are more gentle than evil Unicorns in the world, but these are only the evil/neutral versions.
- Karkadann (Persian) (Large)
-...

Computer crashed, so didn't have time to comment on this. I'd like to see these critters, but Arzshenk should really be a div, especially since it is one in Persian myth.


I agree with you, Arzhenk should be DIV at all cost, but this list was from a game of me, so they are collected differently. Alongside the Div white dragon named Asdeev, which would make an interesting breed between div and dragons.

Cipactli isn't really a lizardman either, but I still would like the creature to be in as big-sized non-shapeshifting croc-man like in the picture. I love that picture.

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Personally, I'd really like to see more of the creatures from the epic SRD. Most of my favorites have not yet been seen in Pathfinder:

Atropal
Devastation Vermin
Elemental, Primal
Genius Loci
Gibbering Orb
Gloom
Legendary Animal (should have been a template, but wasn't)
Living Vault
Paragon Creature (template)
Pseudonatural Creature (template)
Ruin Swarm
Thorciasid
Umbral Blot (Blackball)
Uvuudaum

They're almost all creatures I've used - a half-dozen or so of them were particular favorites of mine, and a couple (like the pseudonatural and paragon templates) were go-to elements for me.

One of my favorites ever, though, was the umbral blot with ninja levels.

I never quite got around to using an atropal or the devastation vermin; both were crazy powerful. Maybe next time :)

(unfortunately, with the existence of the mythic rules and the infamous "CR cap", it's unlikely I'll see official versions of most of my favorites)


Were are the Phane and Sirrush in your list? Those are the best ones in my opinion. I like the Atropal too.


gbonehead wrote:

Personally, I'd really like to see more of the creatures from the epic SRD. Most of my favorites have not yet been seen in Pathfinder:

Atropal
Devastation Vermin
Elemental, Primal
Genius Loci
Gibbering Orb
Gloom
Legendary Animal (should have been a template, but wasn't)
Living Vault
Paragon Creature (template)
Pseudonatural Creature (template)
Ruin Swarm
Thorciasid
Umbral Blot (Blackball)
Uvuudaum

They're almost all creatures I've used - a half-dozen or so of them were particular favorites of mine, and a couple (like the pseudonatural and paragon templates) were go-to elements for me.

One of my favorites ever, though, was the umbral blot with ninja levels.

I never quite got around to using an atropal or the devastation vermin; both were crazy powerful. Maybe next time :)

(unfortunately, with the existence of the mythic rules and the infamous "CR cap", it's unlikely I'll see official versions of most of my favorites)

I wouldn't doubt these additions. There are various creatures from the Epic Hand Book that are in the current Bestiaries, albiet at lower CRs. These things can still be around the CR 25-30 range, since that essentially is Epic in Pathfinder.


I would like to see Genius Loci and the Primal elementals.

Karkadann would be cool.

You know we could use some crocodile men(not just werecrocs).


OF course there are also monsters that aren't from AP's but who are in other books, these are the most wanted ones from me personally.

I really like this monsters in Bestiary 5, as it s very unhandy to have them spread out that much.

1) Caliban
2) Thin Man
3) Tizheruk (!!!)
4) Scarab Beetle
5) Delgeth (!!!)
6) Whirlmaw (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
7) Sangudaemon (!!!!!)
8) Phasmadaemon (!!!!!)
9) Cythillipede (The derro-centipede)

And yes I know the Thin Man, Scarab and Whirlmaw are from the Golarion-only book, but I don't think they make sense there anyway, they can be non-Golarion based too, so they need to escape from that book and into Bestiary 5 where they belong. :-P

I really think Daemons need to be in Bestiary 5 again, they skipped Bestiary 4 and they aren't as overused as Demons and Devils. 2 or 3 would be nice, including the ones i've mentioned and maybe Erodaemon as that one is used pretty often in other books.

I have no doubt the interesting monsters Tizheruk, Caliban and Delgeth from the Tears At Bitter Mansion book will make it into Bestiary 5, just like Huldra and some others made it into bestiary 4. These are really interesting and awesome creatures, and while i'm rather disppointed the Delgeth isn't a Pronghorn, I can live with this new form, as long as it doesn't mean Sianach is out.

ONLY with better artwork

1) Oronci, but I'd rather see Oomukade, which is much like a male Marilith with 8 arms, and the lowerbody and jaw-set of a huge red centipede.
2) Chickcharney

Maybe

1) Duppy
2) Warmonger Wasp
3) Urannag
4) Fungus Queen
5) Deadfall Dweller
6) Larabay
7) Lusca

Together with my AP monster wishes this are MANY re-used monsters of course, leaving almost NO room for new ones lol.

So these are my ultimate wishes of all AP and other product monsters, these really would be awesome in Bestiary 5, the others I leave out of this list can be in later Bestiaries:

Tizheruk / Delgeth / Whirlmaw / Sangudaemon / Phasmadaemon / Black Jinn / Vrykolakas / Bog Strider / Hail LIly / Skrik Nettle / Camulatz / Vilkacis / Hala / Raiju / Addu / Gigas Clam / Wolpertinger / Bogwid / Polevik / Frost Fir / Azgenzak / Kokogiak / Sangoi / Ursikka / Lamhigyn / Ahkhat / Shasalqu / Giant Assassin Bug / Serpopard / Living Sandstorm and Ammut.

I like Drekavac too, but I rather see the female version Acheri in Pathfinder.

I love Nogitsune too, but I'd rather see an awesome evil nine-tailed fox monster. Preferable named Kumiho.

I love Coral Capuchin too, but I rather see Hsigo the flying monkeys from the Wiz of Oz in bestiary 5.

Dark Archive

I've been making Mirkwood type forest for my party to go through. Paizo, let there be more tree monsters!


Set wrote:
Haggis golems! (Shaped like purple worms, natch. In Soviet Golarion, sheep's stomach with meat and barley eats you!).

Ramirez: How revolting!!!


Well at least the Haggis golem would have an aura that causes nausea;)

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