Considering it might be another 2-5 years before they might flesh out one of those places. I wouldn't want to wait more then 2 years for B5 though I would be surprised if we get B5 as the final hardcover of this year.
I believe I can sum up their reasoning with two words: Jade Regent. The Jade Regent AP had the PCs travel to Tian Xia.
I believe that they're waiting to make an AP related to Arcadia, Casmaron and Garund before expanding them. Think about it for a moment: ever since Jade Regent was released, they've been releasing loads of materials about the Dragon Empires, just like ever since they released Distant Worlds, they've been releasing materials for that in B4.
So... I assume that if they ever make an AP that have the PCs investigate/travel to any region outside of the Inner Sea, then they'll start expanding the regions.
Unfortunately, we might have to wait for a few years before seeing expansions, since they go for what... 1 AP per year? 2 APs per year? And they still didn't cover every region of the Inner Sea. The upcoming ones will cover Orision and Numeria, at last.
I would still buy a bestiary that is nothing but reprints from APs, modules, and other pathfinder books. Though I would still like to have one that is a mix of new and old like the past books.
B2, B3 and B4 were more about new than old. While I wouldn't mind B5 being nothing than reprints, it has to remain setting-neutral... which the APs aren't.
Then again, making a Bestiary with nothing but reprints sounds like a good way to make a quick buck.
- Take monsters from all APs, modules and companions that didn't get into a Bestiary.
- File them in alphabetical order until you reach 300.
- Make a cover
- Call it a day.
Since everything is already done, the conception, playtesting AND writing phases wouldn't be necessary. It's basically copy, paste, format, print and ship. The problem is that it's basically a milking attempt that can be viewed negativily by many people... and can make Paizo pass for a bunch of lazy editors, which we do not want to happen.
5 monsters per booklet x 6 AP booklets = 30, so 10 APs could fill a Bestiary, minus the monsters that already got added into other Bestiaries. However... good luck justifying the purchase of an AP if all of its monsters are now in one single book... although a wise customer would buy an AP for the adventure and not just for the critters... right?
Well I agree that we could use a couatl bloodline for Aassimar(or Sylph), I still want one for sorcerers along with bloodlines like phoenix, unicorn, law/axiomatic/inevitable, medusa, lamia, lycanthrope, vampire, azata, agathion, qlippoth, etc.
I am not saying they should have a "recycled" bestiary but I would still buy it just like I would buy an Innersea Bestiary 2 or distant worlds bestiary.
I hope that the B5 will have some new 0HD races along with any reprints that get in there. I hope they keep the number of 0HD races in the book at least 10.
I really wish they could reprint the Coeurl, I like even better then the Displacer Beast. Which is fine as it is the inspiration for the Displacer Beast.
They'd have to get permission from the Vogt estate. They had it in one of the 3.5 AP (End of Eternity), but I doubt they'll be able to obtain it again. It would be so cool if they did though.
I know that, that is why I said "I really wish they could reprint...".
Something like the Steel Predator would be fun.
Something like the Steel Predator would be fun.
That actually would have been fun as a Bulette variant :)
I like that sleek panther form of the Steel Predator and the cool thing about the Steel Predator is that it doesn't have a science fiction feel to it. It suits very good with the rest of the monsters.
I frieking love the Steel Predator. We really desperately need something similar. It's my favorite monster outside the first MM new to third edition D&D. I cloned them for my fantasy verse, where they're called Diremail Marauders.
I frieking love the Steel Predator. We really desperately need something similar. It's my favorite monster outside the first MM new to third edition D&D. I cloned them for my fantasy verse, where they're called Diremail Marauders.
Here's a question for you: how much of D&D's Fiend Folio is open-source? I've seen several monsters from it being converted into PF rules in Bestiaries, 3rd party books and such, but is most of the Folio's content usable be everyone?
The steel predator comes from the Fiend Folio, just like the disenchanter, ahuizotl, caryatid column, dark ones, death dog, demodands, iron cobra, kelpie, oread, selkie, wendigo and many others.
Used in TOme of Horrors and so free for Paizo to use: Disenchanter, Caryatid Column, Dark Ones, Death Dog, Demodands & Iron Cobra.
Mythology so D&D can NEVER lay any copyright claim on them: Ahuizotl, Kelpie, Oread, Selkie and Wendigo.
The Steel Predator is not one of those, hes not from mythology and not in Tome of Horrors because the Tome of Horrors already excisted back then. So unless we get something similar or something magical happens we ain't gonna see the Steel Predator.
I also loved the Astral Stalker, that big black monstrous hunter creature that was also in D&D's 4th first monster manual as Abomination.
Anyway Pathfinder could create a similar creature like the Steel Predator.
- Just make it fast and sleek.
- It has a hunger for flesh and steel.
- When it eats something steel/iron/metal-like it regains hitpoints and if it it's something magical it gains the properties for some while.
Oh, so it's half and half...
Well that sucks...
Oh, so it's half and half...
Well that sucks...
Copyright is your friend... ;-)
Used in TOme of Horrors and so free for Paizo to use: Disenchanter, Caryatid Column, Dark Ones, Death Dog, Demodands & Iron Cobra.
Demodand and Iron Cobra are already in.
Mythology so D&D can NEVER lay any copyright claim on them: Ahuizotl, Kelpie, Oread, Selkie and Wendigo.
Wendigo already in. Kelpie and Selkie maybe. Oread already in use as Earth Half-Elemental race.
What would I like to see?
Surgical Abominations; Creatures made from the living mergers of humanoids and other creatures. something like ]Archduke Gorgon or the original Viscount Pygman from Mazinger Z.
surgical abominations are pretty much the calling card for Kytons, and I am always game for more Kytons...
I would like some non-outsider creatures that surgical abominations. Maybe some mad alchemist/scientist/wizard who was trying to make new life, not constructs, but living creatures or they wanted to "improve" a living creature or creatures.
I miss the Astral Dreadnaught but I am sure he is closed content.
I have said this many times but we could use a lot more creatures from the positive energy plane, astral, ethereal, dimension of dreams, dimension of time, the maelstrom, Axis, and the celestial realms. Also not just outsiders but other creatures native from these planes as well.
Used in TOme of Horrors and so free for Paizo to use: Disenchanter, Caryatid Column, Dark Ones, Death Dog, Demodands & Iron Cobra.Demodand and Iron Cobra are already in.
Mythology so D&D can NEVER lay any copyright claim on them: Ahuizotl, Kelpie, Oread, Selkie and Wendigo.Wendigo already in. Kelpie and Selkie maybe. Oread already in use as Earth Half-Elemental race.
I know they are ALL already in Pathfinder, I answered JIci's question.
The Deadly Dancer from a 3rd edition book is also a very cool concept. Could be renamed into something with Impaler tho.
Talking about creature that dance-into battle: Don't forget about the Greek war Daemon known as Makhai or Machai
Also a Centaur-version of the Mantis, female it must be!
There isn't even ONE cool picture or artwork on wikipedia from a centaur-mantis... Time for Pathfinder/Paizo to create the first one! Just like they did with the Soulsliver (creature coming out of a mirror)
Could be the Empusa as we have more than enough Succubus-like creatures, so an Empusa ala Succubus-stylo isn't something I would like.
An Empusa as a CN succubus-like creature would be awesome.
As far as the mantis women thing I think they(Paizo) could come up with there own name or just call them she-mantis or something like that.
One more pretty woman with demon/bat/dragon wings and I rip a page from the book.
And She-Mantis? Just doesn't suit.
For the peeps that think the link from Empusa to Mantis doesn't make sense = Wiki on Empusa and and old favorite: This GOW picture has visable boobs in it
There is also a creature called Mormo in Greek Mythology, causin to the Lamia and Empusa, this creature is also found in the real-animal world as Mormo with a serious lack in moth-creatures and with more than enough sexy women, maybe some moth/ugly female combination.
Half-neutral outsiders, both as a PC race and a template.
Yeah I concur Gancanagh here...Everything I have read about Empusae leans towards them being evil.
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I would like Krampus the christmas horror to shine in Bestiary 5.
Not as Christmas-based creature, but as Bogeyman variant that haunts the world (much like tarrasque) each year on a particular week, in this week it will steal/kidnap/eat/kill as much young creatures as possible.
It must look like a horrid monstrous satyr-like creature one of the more scary creatures in excistance.
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Another creature I want in is the White Indus Worm, a water-based worm monster much like an oversized seaworm creature (many people use these to fish in the real world) that haunts beaches, coastal waters and even lakes. BLOOD BEACH! :-p
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Speaking of Bogeymen, something loosely based on Oogie Boogie from Nightmare Before Christmas: A Large creature resembling a burlap sack full of Swarmers. It has a powerful Inhale attack that Bull-Rushes you towards it, and can swallow even medium creatures whole. Getting swallowed subjects you to a number of Swarm attacks depending on what is inside. Oh, and attacking it with Slashing damage has a chance of letting a swarm out.
we need more plant forms for druids :(
Okay I'm a bit late to this discussion but just to put in my 2 coppers
Beaver and Giant Beaver (we even have a prehistoric critter for this one - Castoroides)
More Inevitables, more Angels, more Archons, more Agathions, more Asuras, more Oni, more Proteans.
For prehistoric life that either are dinosaurs or in the bestiaries get lumped in with them: Therizinosaurus; an ornithomimid (Gallimimus, Struthiomimus, etc.) an ichthyosaur and a gorgonopsid.
For megafauna, Paraceratherium, Elasmotherium, Moa, and Archaeoindris.
A non-mystical dogfolk race like the catfolk or ratfolk.
A new order of true dragons, maybe a bit like the Hex and Tome Dragons that showed up in Dragon 343, focusing around a particular school of magic.
Maybe some critters from the Cambrian Anomalocaris and Opabinia for a start.
I agree we could use a dog/wolf based race.
For a new order of dragons I would like to see 5 outer plane dragons, one for good(NG), one for chaos(CN), one for law(LN), one for evil(NE), and one for neutrality(N). I would call then holy, dark, chaos, axiom, and astral.
Gallimimus would make great mounts for a dinosaur-based campaign.
For prehistoric life that either are dinosaurs or in the bestiaries get lumped in with them: Therizinosaurus; an ornithomimid (Gallimimus, Struthiomimus, etc.) an ichthyosaur and a gorgonopsid.
I really agree with your Dinosaur wishes! I only add in Carnotaurus and Tanystropheus.
The new 5-Dragon line... Hmmm I would really like to see Dragons that serve the 4 Horseman + one that serves all and which is the ultimate CR 20 of the bunch.
Other than that i'm really beaten... wouldn't know which 5 dragons would be cool, I hope to see more wingless-dragons tho, much like the Peluda.
The new 5-Dragon line... Hmmm I would really like to see Dragons that serve the 4 Horseman + one that serves all and which is the ultimate CR 20 of the bunch.
Could they do planar dragons? I could see a groupe of dragons, one for each extreme alignment (LG, CG, N, LE and CE) or for each pure alignment (NG, NE, N, LN and CN).
If it ain't robot-or-modern-alien-dragons i'm fine with it being Planar Dragons. But after the Outer Dragons i'm looking more foreward to some closer-to-home dragons.
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I'd like to see a group of dragons based on the Native American water serpent legends. I think I can come up with 5 different types based on different variants, but don't have the time at the moment to look up the info:
I would also like some serpent dragons as in dragons with snake like bodies and no arms, legs, and wings(though in some cases wings would be cool).
Some planar drakes would be cool, you could have a much greater variety with "lesser" dragon types.
Some more kinds of wyverns and other "lesser" dragon types.
Dragons with interesting body shapes like a frog/toad, armadillo, weasel, frilled lizard, horny toad, fish/shark, etc.
Also If we have a dragon that is like a fey, faerie dragon, how about some fey that are dragon-like as well.
Frog Dragon- Aglebemu
Armadillo Dragon- Gbahali
Weasel Dragon- Nidhoggr
Frilled Lizard Dragon- Muldjewank
Horn Toad Dragon- Ninki Nanka
Shark Dragon- Taniwha
Dragon Fey- Sarkany
Not exactly like they are in mythology, but I think those would work for the roles.
And I completely concur about a five dragon family based on the native american horned serpents. We really need to get to Arcadia.
I was thinking that Taniwha would make a good entire class of dragon or dragon like creatures. Depending on the myth and tribe, Taniwha could appear as shark-like, gecko-like, Tuatara-like, eel-like, or even octopus like
I was thinking that Taniwha would make a good entire class of dragon or dragon like creatures. Depending on the myth and tribe, Taniwha could appear as shark-like, gecko-like, Tuatara-like, eel-like, or even octopus like
I agree. While I'd be satisfied with the Taniwha as one creature, it would be completely awesome to see them as a group of monsters. I love Taniwhas, and I was quite disappointed that they weren't in Skull and Shackles.
An octopus-like dragon would be weird but interesting.
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Antlered Serpents are a pretty huge motif in North American folklore, and generally share a few standard traits. They are almost always associated with water, whether it be lakes, oceans, or rivers. They have great magical power, and are generally on par with Thunderbirds and giants as far as magical powers. Many have healing abilities, especially associated with their horns. Generally they are legless, although this varies.
A sample of some different Native American dragons are listed below. Note that these are a pretty random sampling...I have yet to go through and concisely gather data on all the NA dragons and serpent like creatures, so I am missing a lot. But this at least gives give a sample. And some, like the Piasa and Tizheruk are probably weird enough they would best be considered their own monster. More examples are listed on the Native American Languages website:
Horned Serpents/Native American Dragons from my monster list:
Kci-Athussos = Maliseet/Passamaquoddy; lake dwelling great horned serpent; eats humans
Nahuelito = Argentinian lake serpent cryptid; large and serpent like, with characteristics of other "typical" lake monsters
Sisiutl = Pacific NW Native American; Great two-headed sea serpent with a human head and limbs in the center o fit's body, each head horned. may have been inspired by the rubber boa; can change size, from tiny to colossal; slime can cause sickness and death; gorgon like petrification powers; if killed can have great healing powers; natural enemy of Thunderbirds; guardian of the gods
Tizheruk/Pal Rai Yuk = Inuit; monstrous sea serpent, two 7ft long fox-like heads with horns, 6 fins, 2 dorsal fins, and two flippered tails; covered in thick fur and has a serrated fin down it’s back. Stealthy and fond of snatching people of of piers or overturning kayaks; can be summoned
Uktena/Uhcegila/Misi-kinepikw = NA Horned Serpent; giant serpent with glowing iridescent crystalline scales and a single large crystal horn in it's forehead, with magical powers. Also stag horns; pestilence breath; glow can blind and confuse people; enemies of the Thunderbird; not evil, but avoid humans and may be a death omen; can control game
Xiuhcoatl = Aztec turquoise fire serpent; segmented appearance with a upturned hognose snake like snout, trapeze like end of tail, covered in shredded paper like frills
Gaasyendietha = Seneca NA; River dwelling dragon like creature, capable of breathing fire and flying on a trail of fire; connected to meteors
Piasa = Cahokian; monstrous dragon, described as having a head like a bear, antlers of an elk, giant fangs, and a scaly body with bird like claws and wings; head and neck covered in a whispy mane; Tail tipped with a spear; antlers red and body black; destructive beast that preys on people, and would occasionally leave it’s Cliffside lair to terrorize the land
The below link gives a more detailed summary of info on Horned serpents as well as a list of different variants from different Native American tribes
Some random ideas might be to associate these guys with the Ethereal/Astral plane, much like Lindwyrms are associated with the First World. These serpents are often given the role of tutelary spirits and given great magical powers. Perhaps associate these with types of magic or schools of magic, and make their theme tied into the role of protectors of magic. That would give them a distinctive slant from the existing dragon types.
Gaasyendietha, Piasa, and Uktena sound interesting to me.
Frog Dragon- Aglebemu
Armadillo Dragon- Gbahali
Weasel Dragon- Nidhoggr
Frilled Lizard Dragon- Muldjewank
Horn Toad Dragon- Ninki Nanka
Shark Dragon- Taniwha
Dragon Fey- SarkanyNot exactly like they are in mythology, but I think those would work for the roles.
And I completely concur about a five dragon family based on the native american horned serpents. We really need to get to Arcadia.
I would replace the Shark Dragon Taniwha with Isonade, and Sarkany the fey dragon with Melusine :-p
And while I want the Gaasyendietha and Piasa to stay Dragon-types I want them to change a lot.
I Want the Piasa to be a Manticore-like dragon with special horns/antlers that have some magical ability.
I really like the river-part of the Gaasyendietha to go away, meteor + river is something I really don't see mixed, I like the Gaasyendietha to be a dragon made from alien-rocks and which can become a living meteor when it travels from planet to planet. There are enough river-dragons but none meteor dragon.
Uktena - Sounds interesting to me, I love creatures from real mythology that have ties with gemstones, Sarangay, Nargun, Carbuncle and now the Uktena are the only ones I have this far.
I'm hesitant to change something from its original mythology for no good reason. Like "too many river dragons" is not a good reason. We actually don't really have a lot of "river dragons" in the bestiary. River drake, maybe black dragons, but can't really think of any beyond that. Most live in mountains or forests. I think it'd be a huge disservice to the original mythology. I mean, we have a lot of siren-wannabes in the Bestiaries already (some of which you wanted if I recall correctly Sincubus). I'm sure we can make room for another river dragon, especially one as different as this.
Over at the Arcadian Resources Thread, I had an idea of the Gaasyendietha joining the Cipactli and the Cherufe as titanic beasts of different elements in Native American folklore. Almost like Native American behemoths. Thought it was a good idea.
I'm not a fan of my favorite creatures from myth being titanic, overpowered CR 20+ creatures.
I hope they are Gargantuan at best.
And I just don't like the River + Meteor combination...
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The Acheri is actually from the same region as these creatures. Hmm...I don't know if anyone has mentioned Black-Eyed Kids yet or not, but if not then they really should be mentioned. They are the only monster I have seen on the show Monsters and Mysteries in America that has actually managed to make my skin crawl.If done right they could be very interesting creatures.Starting with giving them a better name.
The Acheri or Plague Child is also a child with pure black eyes, they are disease-spreaders so maybe they can be merged with the Black-eyed children, cuz something called Black-Eyed Child is a little bit off between all those other names like Aboleth, Chuul and Iron Golem.
The Acheri could be a good fit. Ju-on, which was also the title of a series of Japanese movies that inspired "The Grudge" in the United States, would also work.