Ok, I know that they are called Daemons once again in PF, but I can't seem to find the Canoloth. Is there a PF version out there?
Looks like there are no official versions of the Canodaemon, Mezzodaemon, or even the Nycadaemon...
I don't think any of those creatures are open content, so you won't see official Pathfinder versions of them.
SOB... seems I always pick the closed content... anyone know of any conversions done?
I loved Planescape and all the D&D material from 2 and 3 Ed. related to it. Thankfully, the great part of that material is easy to use on Pathfinder, but I really miss the Yugoloth. The Daemons are OK, but really miss that backstabbing and manipulating sons of...
PD: Don't know how to think about the lack of Modrons. I liked them, but could be so strange and stupid and funny... a good LN race should no be like that.
I still use Monster Manuals 1-5, Fiend Folio, Monsters of Faerun, and a few other obscure sourcebooks in addition to Bestiary 1-3. Updating the monsters takes only a few seconds if you're comfortable eye-balling the challenge, and adjusting on the fly. Sometimes you don't even need to do that.
I would just use the daemons as is, and give them Toughness and Improved Initiative, as per the section in the Pathfinder Gamemastery Guide discussing conversion of monsters from 3.5 to PF. Some more details are on Page 51 of said book.
Yeah PF's daemons are pretty distinct from the 'loths, intentionally so.
That said for most of the lesser yugoloths (everything except nycaloths, arcanaloths, ultroloths, and baernaloths) you could largely gloss a little bit of flavor and include with daemons as is for home games. It's just the greater 'loths and the 'loths overarching goals and racial theme that conflicts with the racial identity and goals of PF's daemons.
I do miss mezzoloths though, and they held a niche for the 'loths that the daemons need to have filled at some point in the future. Planar cannon fodder is good, and something for Szuriel to have tons of that are considerably weaker than purrodaemons.
*puppy-'loth eyes at James*
So I suppose the first question is "what kind of deaths do these daemons represent?"
What I'd like to know is what if you want to use Pathfinder's daemons alongside Planescape's yugoloths. That might be worth a thread unto itself, though. Then there's the subject of reconciling the Great Beyond and the Great Wheel...
What I'd like to know is what if you want to use Pathfinder's daemons alongside Planescape's yugoloths. That might be worth a thread unto itself, though. Then there's the subject of reconciling the Great Beyond and the Great Wheel...
Yes ... I like Golarion, but I also like the Great Wheel and want to continue using it. My current campaign "worldview" has all the standard settings in the same universe (barring oddities like parallel/mirror worlds, etc.) and connected to the Great Wheel.
Which makes it interesting when dealing with Demons (Tanar'ri, Obyrith, Manitou) and Qlippoths (who just might be Obyriths too). At this point, I'm leaning towards the Obyriths/Qlippoths being early outer planar intruders from the Far Realm (which I've put "outside" the normal cosmology) - as opposed to the aboleths, etc. who turned up on the Prime Material Plane.
I also have Slaadi and Proteans in Limbo, and Yugoloths and Daemons in the Grey Wastes and other areas between the Nine Hells and the Abyss. It's getting a bit crowded out there - or would, if the planes weren't infinite! :)