I would like people to tell me what they think of this cleric build.
Class: Cleric.
Role: Two Weapon Fighting Undead Destroyer.
Deity: None
Domains: Sun and Glory.
AL: LG
Favored Weapon: Longsword.
Race: Human
Ability Score’s.
Str:18 = 4 mod.
Dex:13(15) = 2 mod.
Con:12 = 1 mod.
Int:10 = 0 mod.
Wis:16 = 3 mod.
Cha:16 = 3 mod.
Feat Progression:
1st lvl: Channel Smite. Extra human bonus feat: Power Attack.
3rd lvl: Improved channel.
5th lvl: Two Weapon Fighting
7th lvl: Extra channel.
9th lvl: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
11th lv:l Double Slice
13th lvl: Cleave.
15th lvl: Two Weapon Rend.
17th lvl: Greater Two Weapon Fighting.
19th lvl : Great Cleave.
Ability Score Increase.
4th:+1 to dex.(16)
8th:+1 to dex.(17)
12th:+1 to dex.(18)
16th:+1 to dex.(19)
20th:+1 to dex.(20)
1st lvl Spell’s: Divine Favor, Bless.
Granted Powers: Sun’s Blessing, Touch of Glory.
Domain Spells: 1st lvl, Endure Element’s, Shield of Faith.
I will post the rest of his spell list later.
Realy? Nobody's posted anything?
Exactly what kind of feedback are you looking for? Optimization suggestions? Magic item suggestions? An effectiveness rating? Something else?
What a weird necro...
Well, right to the point
1- You can not take power attack at level 1
2- Do not tWF with longsword. The -4 penalty to attack harm too much. Use shortswords or something similar.
3- COnsider multiclassin gor early sntry to the TWF feats.
4- If you ahve your two hand busy, how are you casting?
What a weird necro...
Well, right to the point
1- You can not take power attack at level 1
2- Do not tWF with longsword. The -4 penalty to attack harm too much. Use shortswords or something similar.
3- COnsider multiclassin gor early sntry to the TWF feats.
4- If you ahve your two hand busy, how are you casting?
1- Not too big of an issue, he can swap Extra Channels with Power Attack.
2- Yeah, I assumed he's dual-wielding longswords as well, but since he doesn't have any weapon related feats he can always off-hand a dagger.3- What multiclass options were you thinking?
4- He'll have to get a Glove of Storing.
@Rojack - Fundamentally, your feats don't really work well together. You can only use Channel Smite once per round, so it doesn't have any synergy with two-weapon fighting. Also, going the two-weapon fighting route as a 3/4th BAB class and taking Power Attack means you're going to be missing a lot - which makes using Channel Smite worse because you have to declare you're using it before you attack and if you miss you still expend the channel usage.
You're also kind of fragile. You don't have much Con, so you're going to be lower on hit points, and your AC is going to be lower because you're dual-wielding. You're also putting all your level stat gains into Dex, but that doesn't really give you much benefit aside from meeting the two-weapon feat requirements.
Honestly, if you want to make a character that's really good at killing undead, there are better ways to go about it. If you want to be a cleric you're better off focusing on spellcasting, while if you want to be a martial character you're better off being a paladin or a ranger.
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Give me a bit of time to look into this. The general concept has been on my mind on and off (how useful is an undead slaying build and is it useful against non-undead?) So seeing your attempt is nice. However, having looked it over and seen the responses, I must agree that it is inherently flawed in that you chose twf, cleric, and power attack while pallning to use channel smite as the undead slaying element.
First, if the goal is to drop undead you have to look at how and what you gain from it. Clerics do it best at range and can get multiple targets with it. Knocking that down to melee means you need to get some sort of advantage out of limiting it to a single one. I would argue that dealing normal weapon damage and your channel may not be good enough to qualify as an additional advantage. Therefor, if there is a way to get more from going melee, that should be a priority- otherwise you're better off focusing on the regular channel power.
Second, there has got to be an archetype or something out there that has better channel save dc's and better channel damage against undead than a generic cleric. I'll have to look into this. Either way, you have me curious now.
Are you really still looking for feedback on a build you posted over a year ago?
Are you really still looking for feedback on a build you posted over a year ago?
Look at the second post saying he will post the rest of the spells later... and still missing :D
I'll make a note in my calendar for April 2015 :)
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Check out the Guide to the Class Guides for Cleric.
Two weapon fighting is a trap. You invest lots of effort and end up with something worse than just using a two handed weapon. Power attack works best with a two handed weapon. Clerics are proficient with all Simple weapons, of which the longspear is often the most effective. A longspear also solves the 'must keep one hand free to cast spells' problem.
Channel smite is usually sub-standard. Why limit your channel to only affect one foe, and only when you hit? You're generally better off just channeling, unless there's only one foe. If there's only one foe, vs your whole party, what are you worried about?
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Having looked it over, the options for archetypes that wreck undead are pretty limited in utility and some are actually worse than just being a regular member of the class. The strongest options appear to be a cleric with the sun domain followed by inquisitor and then ranger. Vampire hunter inquisitor has some perks and the light sub domain helps. Repose domain is useful against undead as well. Also, the death domain offers flexibility and utility.
You should probably decide if you want to be a more martial character or casting, either way, clerics can simultaneously fulfill either role very well, but certain classes offer more one way or another (inquisitor, ranger for a more martial approach).
If you want to kill undead with a weapon, I would suggest a ranger for the +2, maybe taken to 5th level or 6th (for am additional +2 and/or feat). You could go the shield bashing route as there are plenty of cool shields for bashing and an effective shield bash build might be just as good if you go ranger.
Inquisitor gives you more flexibility and combat options as well as a domain or inquisition. Ranger/inquisitor could be a powerful undead hunting build at first glance, though mostly in melee.
That said I am partial to cleric because it is better at killing undead with a simple channel and the right domains.
I would suggest having a backup blunt weapon type. Swords are great against zombies, but you need a good stick against skeletons.
Also it may be better to just go mainly blunt anyways. There is a magic upgrade for blunt weapons only that destroys an undead creature if it fails a will save of 14. Sure a save 14 sucks later on, but there's always a chance that the dm will roll them a bad save.
Wouldn't an oath of vengeance paladin be a better undead slayer?
Wouldn't an oath of vengeance paladin be a better undead slayer?
Possibly, one serious drawback is the number of smites you'd have even with the oath. Ranger is an always available buff, the more numerous the enemy undead the better it is.
I'll make a note in my calendar for April 2015 :)
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Well after reading all of your post's i have to say that i was not really thinking this build through all that much at the time. I just posted it to see if it was a viable build. And it seem's to not be one. Let me clear up some stuff. This build was made to maximize damage to undead that's the reason i have channel smite. So if i need to use it i can. The reason i have him 'pumping' dex is because i'm a vary dexterous person and i like max out my armor class. No multi-classing. Straight Cleric.
Well i just joined a pathfinder group. Now that i look at this build i see how terrible it is. i guess i could try it out in the current campaign seeing as how it's all about being in a prison full of undead creature's. I'll get back to you guy's to see if it work's.