So… Really what I wanted to know is if a holy avenger has to be a long sword. It isn’t an artifact, so I would think it would be just like any other crafted item.
I was wondering then, if a holy avenger could become a holy avenger (great sword) or maybe even a bow? (I love my bow pally).
Not that I can buy one of these any time soon, as its 60,000gp to craft it and I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
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The Holy Avenger can be in whatever form your GM lets it be.
Historically it's been a longsword, but I am a big fan of flexibility.
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If you're asking the question for PFS, the answer is yes it has to be that way, although I don't think anyone running PFS will ever be able to buy one. If it's for any other setting... ask your GM.
Keep in mind though that some forms may change the way it operates and it's pricing as well.
Bows for instance, you can't make a cold iron bow, but you'd use cold iron arrowheads for the same effect. Great swords would use the heavier weight for the base price of the cold iron construction, and of course staves can't be made of it.
I think from a strict rules perspective that the Holy Avenger is a specific weapon item, which comes in the form of a longsword. However, per your GM's discretion he can allow the special abilities granted by any specific weapon to be attached to any type of weapon, though some may be intended to work with specific types of weapons such as Titan Maul is probably only intended to work with hammer type weapons that deal bludgeoning damage. I see no good reason why you couldn't apply Holy Avenger type to a bow, but I would rule that the greater dispel affect when used is still centered in a 20ft burst around the bow (you) since it has to be used as a standard action meaning you can't shoot the area dispel attached to an arrow.
Carsomyr was a two-handed sword in Baldurs Gate 2 so why not
Most Holy Avengers have been Longswords but they haven't been all that consistent between editions as far as the powers they give (2nd edition HAs were beefy!)
Fair enough, that makes sense. It would seem a little over powered to be able to dispel at a range of 120 feet. But really there's nothing all that special about the construction. It's essentially a +7 item (I don't know what the SR addition would add to the construction). But even without the dispel ability, it would be a pretty useful item for a pally and sort of plays to the iconic pally back from 2nd ed.
Actually, I wouldn't mind as DM if a Holy Avenger was a bastard sword or zweihander. Most Paladins don't like missile weapons, as they like their heavy armor prof and need the Strength both for melee and for weight limit.
I could see doing a Holy Avenger composite longbow, and btw Arenthis, the range for them is 110ft, not 120ft.
Slap the Transformative property on a Holy Avenger.
A Holy Avenger khopesh would be beyond awesome.
Wy would you even want a Holy Avenger weapon? SR is NOT your friend.
Since SR in this case can be turned off by sheathing the weapon, it doesn't hurt as much. and it rocks against demons or devils!
Sheathing the weapon during combat to receive buffs and heals? If you're out of combat, no problem, but then, dropping SR while out of combat is easy too.
Solo monsters and BBEGs with no caster support are uber with their SR, but group oriented PCs that buff one another are somewhat gimped by it.
To each their own I guess.
Penge wrote: Carsomyr was a two-handed sword in Baldurs Gate 2 so why not
Most Holy Avengers have been Longswords but they haven't been all that consistent between editions as far as the powers they give (2nd edition HAs were beefy!)
Well, 2nd edition (at least in the Dungeon Masters Guide) didn't list what kind of sword most magical sword were. They just said "Sword", and had a not that said "70% of swords are longswords, 20% are scimitars pr broad swords, 5% are short (Small) swords, 4% are bastard swords, and 1% are two-handed swords, unless the description of a specific item indicates otherwise."
So it was explicitly called out that magical swords could (generally) be any type of sword.
I suspect it would largely depend on the religion. In Golarion, most holy avengers are probably associated with the church of Iomedae. I wouldn't be surprised if a legendary sarenite wielded a scimitar with similar abilities.
In Eberron, the most paladin-centric religion (Church of the Silver Flame) has the longbow as its iconic weapon. I wouldn't be surprised if a holy avenger were a bow in that context.
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Volaran wrote: I suspect it would largely depend on the religion. In Golarion, most holy avengers are probably associated with the church of Iomedae. I wouldn't be surprised if a legendary sarenite wielded a scimitar with similar abilities.
In Eberron, the most paladin-centric religion (Church of the Silver Flame) has the longbow as its iconic weapon. I wouldn't be surprised if a holy avenger were a bow in that context.
Or it perhaps might it be possible that the Holy Avenger isn't the only way to express a Paladin's weapon? I remember one such weapon whose special power was to offer each person who grasped it a onetime chance at changing his alignment to Lawful Good and becoming a Paladin with no penalties.
LazarX wrote:
Or it perhaps might it be possible that the Holy Avenger isn't the only way to express a Paladin's weapon? I remember one such weapon whose special power was to offer each person who grasped it a onetime chance at changing his alignment to Lawful Good and becoming a Paladin with no penalties.
Yup, nothing saying that you couldn't have a different sort of flavourful weapon. I remember really enjoying an article in Dragon during the 2nd Edition era about variant holy swords.
The weapon you describe sounds like it would be based on the atonement spell. I'd probably call it 'Redeemer', and give it some flavour as a weapon placed by an agent of a deity to be found by a character seeking atonement, or questioning their dark past.
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Volaran wrote: I remember really enjoying an article in Dragon during the 2nd Edition era about variant holy swords. Forgive the necro, but do you remember what that article was?
This might be the one. Starting on page 35.
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Gisher wrote: This might be the one. Starting on page 35. Thanks for the link. I'm looking for "a 2E article in Dragon regarding variant holy avengers" on someone else's behalf, and they're saying that this isn't the article in question; however, I can't seem to figure out what other article it could possibly be, so I wonder if they're misremembering.
magic item creation rules
So using paizo magic item creation rules, it should be legal....depending on dm
Short answer is yes. From ultimate campaign rules you can have a specific item switch what be item it is and it has guidelines for the pricing of such items.
See the various threads on mithral celestial armor for citations.
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