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I was happy to see bitter armor since, based on the illustrations, bite by things with lots of sharp teeth is the only threat you have to avoid. A ring of protection against bite would be better. Protection against reptiloids would be about as complete.
Also, if you have a class (or a race) that uses Charisma, you must have a drop dead gorgeous costume that drapes well and is never damaged.
I've never been to a Pathfinder con but costume call must be to die for.
[A dwarf can look like something the cat dragged in.]
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Charisma isn't just outward appearance, it can also mean force of personality. That dwarf might smell like a sewer, and wipe up his spills with his beard, but he can sure lead an army against a tribe of kobolds.
I think you a missing the point of this thread. The OP is deliberately misinterpreting Pathfinder concepts by basing his interpretation solely on the illustrations. What the rules actually mean is completely irrelevant.
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I was kinda confused on the point of this thread myself.
Anybody remember the "comeliness" stat? :)
But yeah, the pug ugly barbarian that nonetheless is intimidating as all hell and beds anyone he or she wants? High charisma.
Low charisma isn't really just "ugly", it also means you aren't intimidating or otherwise able to make any sort of impression on people. It means at best you are boring, or possibly just disgusting and repellant.
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A Charisma penalty should count as a bonus to Stealth, as no-one pays any attention to you; and a Charisma bonus should be a penalty to stealth as people find you interesting.
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A Charisma penalty should count as a bonus to Stealth, as no-one pays any attention to you
Ideally you'd want a charisma of 10 to blend in. If your dwarf is so ugly even other dwarves go "GAH! MY EYES! TORAG TAKE MY EYES!" people are going to notice you.
A Charisma penalty should count as a bonus to Stealth, as no-one pays any attention to youIdeally you'd want a charisma of 10 to blend in. If your dwarf is so ugly even other dwarves go "GAH! MY EYES! TORAG TAKE MY EYES!" people are going to notice you.
But if you generate that kind of response then you have Charisma, even if it's through repulsion. People remember you; they notice you.
Eh, personally I count "force of personality" as something you actively do. High Charisma engenders fear or respect, sometimes both.
Merely being disgusting should not count.
After all, I have met some pretty repellant and disgusting folks in my life (some at conventions!), and while they were memorable and I certainly tended to avoid them, they were in no way persuasive or intimidating.
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If we're getting into a discussion of how CHA relates to appearance, remember that a 16 CHA = "covered in nasty slime".
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If we're getting into a discussion of how CHA relates to appearance, remember that a 16 CHA = "covered in nasty slime".
Yeah, but that's just on Nickelodean.
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But if you generate that kind of response then you have Charisma, even if it's through repulsion. People remember you; they notice you.A Charisma penalty should count as a bonus to Stealth, as no-one pays any attention to youIdeally you'd want a charisma of 10 to blend in. If your dwarf is so ugly even other dwarves go "GAH! MY EYES! TORAG TAKE MY EYES!" people are going to notice you.
Nope, you're so uncharismatic that people hate you.
Someone with a really low charisma is more likely to fail a diplomacy check by 5 or more and make people hate you, not just have no opinion of you.
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Getting back to The Requirement to look good and "It's better to look good than to feel good and you look Maaaaavalous!" Years ago in ADD1, we were all on the ground after a brutal battle moaning "Medic! Medic" except our Cavalier, "Tailor! Tailor" A wand of Mend could be more necessary than a wand of Cure Light for some. As The Sphinx said in "Men of Mystery", "You take care of your costume and your costume will take care of you."
Pathfinder campus should have (already MUST have) and extensive tailor shop.
This is why Mending is now a cantrip. It's the only way that the Iconics get to wear the same clothes all the way from 1st to 20th level.
I was kinda confused on the point of this thread myself.
Anybody remember the "comeliness" stat? :)
But yeah, the pug ugly barbarian that nonetheless is intimidating as all hell and beds anyone he or she wants? High charisma.
Low charisma isn't really just "ugly", it also means you aren't intimidating or otherwise able to make any sort of impression on people. It means at best you are boring, or possibly just disgusting and repellant.
-j
The best at being boring!
A Charisma penalty should count as a bonus to Stealth, as no-one pays any attention to you; and a Charisma bonus should be a penalty to stealth as people find you interesting.
I like the idea.
Somebody's maybe not so funny or clever as they think they are. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't try. And try. And try.
Just like in their previous posts.
Considering how often Mersiel is bouncing around either all acrobatics checks involve jumping or elves really do get that +2 bonus to fly checks.
Just all the acrobatics checks she makes do...
I am more impressed by the sheer amount of violence Valeros can suck up. Seriously, being a fighter seems to a) paint a fat red target icon around you, and b) give you a -10 AC penalty or something. But hey, you do get that Fly skill, so that's okay, right?
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Yanno, soaking up hits and damage seems to be a big part of playing a barbarian. But Amiri doesn't get hit nearly as much as Valeros. I think the one exception that stands out was the cover of Dungeons of Golarion, though I still think that's an example of an enemy screwing up since the one that gave her the wound is turning his back to the rage machine he just honked off.
I just realized that there has yet to be a real bloodied, severely wounded, yet still standing and entirely dangerous and raging, Guts-from-Berserk-style picture for Amiri.
Also, Bluff, Diplomacy, and Sense Motive checks need more love in art.
How does one Sense Motives in art, I wonder?
Other than the standard "look thoughtful/annoyed/constipated"
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How does one Sense Motives in art, I wonder?
Other than the standard "look thoughtful/annoyed/constipated"
The three biggest examples that are sticking out in my head right now are:
1. The iconics sharing different expressions of suspision and cautious acceptance when faced with something that looks monstrous and scary but is obviously trying to communicate with them in a non-hostile manner.
2. Kyra looking all "OH REALLY NOW?" at a townsperson trying to hide stolen goods behind his back.
3. Kyra looking all "OH REALLY NOW?" at Merisiel trying to hide stolen goods behind her back. ;)
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Because it needs to be said: Seoni has "attract weird camera angle" as a class feature.
Lol, he took pack-mule.
And apparently all wizards have biceps like that.
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I am more impressed by the sheer amount of violence Valeros can suck up. Seriously, being a fighter seems to a) paint a fat red target icon around you, and b) give you a -10 AC penalty or something. But hey, you do get that Fly skill, so that's okay, right?
Back in my day that would have been a good thing.
Oh yeah, the joy of getting it down to -3 or -5. -10 was end of the campaign, you are awesome you shield sporting scamp.
Getting back to The Requirement to look good and "It's better to look good than to feel good and you look Maaaaavalous!" Years ago in ADD1, we were all on the ground after a brutal battle moaning "Medic! Medic" except our Cavalier, "Tailor! Tailor" A wand of Mend could be more necessary than a wand of Cure Light for some. As The Sphinx said in "Men of Mystery", "You take care of your costume and your costume will take care of you."
Pathfinder campus should have (already MUST have) and extensive tailor shop.
Reminds me of an RPGA event I played in back in the day, in which my assigned character (a thief) was described as a dandy with a clothes fetish. Well, in the game I snuck into an enemy camp and started the big fight rolling by backstabbing the leader. I rolled extraordinarily well, and the GM rewarded my derring do with a great description of my dagger plunging into his back and out his front while blood and gore spurted over my lace and silk shirt clad arm up to the armpit. What is a dandy to do but pause in the middle of that brief (and easily successful since BBEG was dead without casting a spell) combat to change shirts so as to be properly attired again, while moaning about the impossibility of ever getting that blood out. If I recall correctly that bit of scenery-chewing amateur (and amatuerish) acting got me through to the next round, and I eventually "won" the tournament. So long live fashion conscious PCs!