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Will the 50th show be an actual story or more like a documentary? Also has the "grandfather storyline" ever been asked to the directors/creators?

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I don't know if it has been asked directly, but Nine did say he was a father once, so that seems to have been at least thrown out there.


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I think the show was 'all about the companion' long before Donna showed up... it showed from the very first Eccleston/Piper season, and there were even hints of it with Ace and Seventh Doctor (which is why I disliked those stories as well).

Longer than that. The POV characters for most of the first two seasons (and I mean the first two seasons from 1963-64) were Ian and Barabara, and we very much saw the Doctor through their eyes.

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Will the 50th show be an actual story or more like a documentary? Also has the "grandfather storyline" ever been asked to the directors/creators?

The Doctor is definitely Susan's grandfather. Several producers over the years have confirmed that and Susan recognises Gallifrey and continues to call the Doctor grandfather in THE FIVE DOCTORS. The tie-in novels presented an alternative explanation for their relationship (Susan is the granddaughter of a legendary Time Lord called 'The Other', whose genetic material and memories the Doctor partially inherited, IIRC) but the TV show's canon overrides that of the books.

However, it has never been confirmed that all Gallifreyans can regenerate. Popular fanwank - and partially backed up by the Master three-parter during Tennant's run - is that certain Gallifreyans are identified as having an affinity with the Time Vortex and become Time Lords when they are gifted with the regenerative life cycles. This is seemingly confirmed by the Time Lords offering to give the Master (in a humanoid, non-Gallifreyan body after a mind-swap) a new set of regenerations in THE FIVE DOCTORS, an offer he has taken them up on by the time of the Time War (Derek Jacobi is popularly believed to be the second incarnation of the Master's new body, with John Simm as the third). It also appears this can only be done once per body, hence why the Time Lords can't keep doing it to live forever.

Or in other words, there are no indications that Susan can regenerate :)

To answer your original question, there will be a 60-minute special episode airing on the 50th anniversary itself (23 November). There will also be a 60-minute docu-drama about the creation and commissioning of the show, starring David Bradley (Lord Walder Frey from GAME OF THRONES amongst many, many other roles) as William Hartnell. That should air around the same time.


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I think the show was 'all about the companion' long before Donna showed up... it showed from the very first Eccleston/Piper season, and there were even hints of it with Ace and Seventh Doctor (which is why I disliked those stories as well).

Longer than that. The POV characters for most of the first two seasons (and I mean the first two seasons from 1963-64) were Ian and Barabara, and we very much saw the Doctor through their eyes.

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Will the 50th show be an actual story or more like a documentary? Also has the "grandfather storyline" ever been asked to the directors/creators?

The Doctor is definitely Susan's grandfather. Several producers over the years have confirmed that and Susan recognises Gallifrey and continues to call the Doctor grandfather in THE FIVE DOCTORS. The tie-in novels presented an alternative explanation for their relationship (Susan is the granddaughter of a legendary Time Lord called 'The Other', whose genetic material and memories the Doctor partially inherited, IIRC) but the TV show's canon overrides that of the books.

However, it has never been confirmed that all Gallifreyans can regenerate. Popular fanwank - and partially backed up by the Master three-parter during Tennant's run - is that certain Gallifreyans are identified as having an affinity with the Time Vortex and become Time Lords when they are gifted with the regenerative life cycles. This is seemingly confirmed by the Time Lords offering to give the Master (in a humanoid, non-Gallifreyan body after a mind-swap) a new set of regenerations in THE FIVE DOCTORS, an offer he has taken them up on by the time of the Time War (Derek Jacobi is popularly believed to be the second incarnation of the Master's new body, with John Simm as the third). It also appears this can only be done once per body, hence why the Time Lords can't keep doing it to live forever.

Or in other words, there are no indications that Susan can regenerate :)

No indication that she can't either. Or not strong enough that it couldn't be overcome with a simple flashback justification. Her bigger problem is that she was left stranded without a Tardis.

The simple solution would be to have the Doctor go and get her, but I'd think it would be more interesting to have her show up as a mysterious antagonist. Not an actual villain, but at odds with the Doctor over how to deal with whatever the seasons big plot is. With the reveal of who she is not coming until late in the story. For something like that she's need time travel of her own.


Werthead wrote:
Or in other words, there are no indications that Susan can regenerate :)

True, but with "Jenny" and River Song the new series has made regeneration much, much easier to come by. You can just be standing NEAR the Tardis and wind up with the ability to regenerate, so Susan should be a slam-dunk. Heck, by now I expect Leela's able to regenerate! (No way anything as wimpy as a Time War with Daleks would've been able to take her out. If nothing else, she may have hooked up with Romana to conquer E-Space.)

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Well I was watching The Doctor's Daughter before gaming yesterday, and it's unclear if it was the Tardis dematerializing (entering the vortex) that 'jump started' Jenny, or if it was the Source. (The effects are similar).

That River's Timey Wimey Lord status came from being conceived in the Tardis *does* seem to hint that JEnny did get jump started, and that the Tardis is sentient and doesn't see events in linear order also hints that it is intentional.

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Kthulhu wrote:
I want Susan to return. Everything else is background noise.

If Susan is in it, how about having her regenerate. That would put to rest the squabble of whether or not she was the doctor's actual granddaughter.


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If Susan is in it, how about having her regenerate. That would put to rest the squabble of whether or not she was the doctor's actual granddaughter.

There isn't much of a squabble. The question has categorically been answered in the show itself, and it's puzzling why it continues to be an issue for some people.

Also, Susan may be a Gallifreyan but she isn't necessarily a Time Lord. Something worth bearing in mind is that the Doctor was adamant that if any other Time Lords had survived the Time War, he'd know about and would be able to sense them across time and space. The fact that he keeps saying there are none suggests that either Susan isn't a Time Lord, or she is and is now dead.

As for the actress, Carole Ann Ford is actually going to be in the docu-drama, AN ADVENTURE IN TIME AND SPACE, playing an unknown character (whilst, 'Carole Ann Ford' herself will also be a character played by a younger actress). They could bring her back quite easily. The Doctor left her in 2164 in an adventure broadcast in 1964, so simply have Doc 11 visit Earth in 2213 and he'd run into her at the correct age.


In other news, we can officially rule out Christopher Eccleston appearing in the special. Not surprising really.

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Shame to hear. I liked Eccleston's portrayal, but he appears to have been a real butt since then. :-(

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Lord Snow wrote:
Unlike doctor 10, who went around the place calling people "fantastic", being a champion of peace and giving EVERYONE a second chance,

You apparently forget the quote from "The Christmas Invasion", when the newly regenerated Doctor sends the Sycorax leader plunging to his death when the latter tries to back out of honorable surrender by throwing a sword at his back.

"No Second Chances. That's what kind of man I am." Ten would offer ONE and only ONE chance to almost all of his foes. After that, there was no mercy, no other quarter offered.


Not to mention how he destroyed the career of one of his previously-closest allies, Harriet Jones, for the effrontery of doing what she thought best for her own planet and people rather than exactly as he told her to. Later, of course, she sacrifices herself to protect the Doctor and his companions and gets not a word of eulogy. Ten was pretty vindictive. :P

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LazarX wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Unlike doctor 10, who went around the place calling people "fantastic", being a champion of peace and giving EVERYONE a second chance,

You apparently forget the quote from "The Christmas Invasion", when the newly regenerated Doctor sends the Sycorax leader plunging to his death when the latter tries to back out of honorable surrender by throwing a sword at his back.

"No Second Chances. That's what kind of man I am." Ten would offer ONE and only ONE chance to almost all of his foes. After that, there was no mercy, no other quarter offered.

I don't know, I think that after telling the Sycorax to back off, and seeing them *not* back off, and defeating their leader in a duel and having him at the point of his sword, he still let him live and backed away from violance. That, to me, is giving someone a second chance. 11th doctor would never have done that.

What I mean by second chance is that the Doctor will first try to diffuse the situation in such a way that nobody has to get hurt. He will allow the villains a chance to give up their aganda and retreat. Only after they refuse and prove iredeemable would Doctor 10 become as vindicative as he can be.

See 11th episode "Victory of the Daleks" for example. All he needed to do to "win" that episode was not be violent towards Daleks in any way. Instead, he acted like a crazy person, actualy trying to PROVKOE DALEKS INTO VIOLANCE just to prove a point. Compare this with "Evolution of the Daleks" story arc with 10th. The first thing 10th did was to question the Daleks, try to see what their objectives were, WHY are they doing what they're doing. And when he thought there's the slightest chance Daleks might be changed, he tries to help them create MORE Daleks.

Where 11 is short tempered, short sighted and aggressive, 10 is kind, curious and accepting. Watching 10 devolve into 11 is kind of like reading the old testiment after the new testiment instead of the other way around.

When 10 said "no second chances" it was after he tried to talk his opponent out of fighting, and then sparing the opponent's life even though the opponent would have never done the same for him. He gave the Sycorax leader two chances to back away - once when he talked to him about the Shadow Declaration, the second after he finished the duel. Two chances. Sycorax leader denied both. Sycorax Leader experienced the wrath The Doctor.


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I have no problem with Rose. I like looking at her. Any time looking at her is time well spent to me.


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Bruunwald wrote:
I have no problem with Rose. I like looking at her. Any time looking at her is time well spent to me.

Fair enough, but there's a ton of other companions that, in my opinion, were far more worthy of my "looking" time. Some of the names that stand out in my mind are Susan, Zoe, Sarah Jane Smith, Leela, either version of Romana, Nyssa, Tegan, Peri, Ace, Grace, Martha, Amy, and Clara.

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Calling Eleven short-sighted is kind of ridiculous, as I think in many ways he's akin to Seven, in that he is something of a manipulator. He's also the first Doctor out of all eleven of them that consistantly uses the time machine as an actual time machine and not just a vehicle to get from one adventure to the next.

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Kthulhu wrote:
Calling Eleven short-sighted is kind of ridiculous, as I think in many ways he's akin to Seven, in that he is something of a manipulator.

All the doctors Iv'e seen (9,10,11) were manipulators, which actualy has near to nothing to do with being short sighted.

The recent episode "Bells of Saint John" provides an excelent example supporting my claim:

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So in this episode the Doctor stops a group of evil people from uploading people into the internet, and even frees everyone they already uploaded, saving his new companion along the way. Everyone is happy, bad guys are stopped, adventure over, as far as the Doctor is concerned it's time to move on.
Except that The Doctor missed something VERY important. He missed the fact that the client the group of people he stopped were serving was the archvillain "Great Intelligence". Surely knowing that could be relevent.
And why did he miss that fact? because he didn't care. He simply didn't seem to even consider trying to understand *why* a group of people somehow had access to super technology and was using to to trap people in the internet. He was not the slightest bit investigative. As far as he was concerned, a bunch of bad people were doing bad things becasue they were bad people, and once he stopped them nothing matters anymore.

Compare this to how 11 and 10 were always trying to understand their enemies, always making sure they knew they were fighting the real bad guys. Great examples of this are the story arcs "The Sauntaren Strategem" where the doctor realised the Sauntaren were behaving unusualy, and "evolution of the daleks", and "The Long Game" where the Doctor realises the humans in the spacestation are serving something much more dangerous.

The 11th Doctor is the most aggresive, most shortsighted, least thoughtful and least benign Doctor since the show was renewed in 2005.

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Lord Snow wrote:

The 11th Doctor is the most aggresive, most shortsighted, least thoughtful and least benign Doctor since the show was renewed in 2005.

He's also the first incarnation to maintain a family relationship since ... The First Incarnation. For over 200 years of his personal history, he was part of the Pond family through marriage.

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Werthead wrote:
Or in other words, there are no indications that Susan can regenerate :)

"could" you mean. By all accounts, she's very likely a casualty of the Time War.

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You all do realize that each Doctor is an actor that follows scripts written by other people. Sure some unique personalities come out, some improv clips may make it to a final version; but for the most part the Doctors are a product of the writers and director.


Mazra wrote:
You all do realize that each Doctor is an actor that follows scripts written by other people.

Really?

All this time I thought I was watching real, true stories of the time traveling immortal who fights aliens and flies around in a blue telephone box.


The Doctor's real, I know he is. Don't take this away from me!

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LazarX wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:

The 11th Doctor is the most aggresive, most shortsighted, least thoughtful and least benign Doctor since the show was renewed in 2005.

He's also the first incarnation to maintain a family relationship since ... The First Incarnation. For over 200 years of his personal history, he was part of the Pond family through marriage.

Yes, because of his tendecies to

a) sulk away for very long periods of time instead of adventuring, which is safer, whcih actualy allows him to LIVE for 200 years - the average life span of an incarnation is about 1oo, after all.

b) become obssesive about certain humans, like he is with Clara right now.

I see both these personality traits as childish, really, which I think no one can seriously say 11th isn't.

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Rynjin wrote:
Mazra wrote:
You all do realize that each Doctor is an actor that follows scripts written by other people.

Really?

All this time I thought I was watching real, true stories of the time traveling immortal who fights aliens and flies around in a blue telephone box.

I think you have taking me out of context. My original post was more a product of the 10 is better than 11, or 11 is like 1, or 4 was the best of all time, no 5, no 7 arguments out there, than the realization that the show is simply a work of fiction.

I believe that 9, 10 and 11 have all benefited from higher production values, good writing and directing. But a lot of the personalities of the Doctors are in the hands of the writer and director. Like I said, sure some of the individual personalities of the Doctors come out, but often we see the Doctor the way they are simply because that is they way there were written. :)

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Werthead wrote:
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If Susan is in it, how about having her regenerate. That would put to rest the squabble of whether or not she was the doctor's actual granddaughter.
There isn't much of a squabble. The question has categorically been answered in the show itself, and it's puzzling why it continues to be an issue for some people.

Well, there was a period of time in the 90s where most of the writers of the novels thought the idea of the Doctor reproducing in the normal way (which is how you eventually have granddaughters) was icky and scary and terrible, so they came up with this stupidly convoluted way of Gallifreyans reproducing through "looms" and Susan was actually somehow a different person who was "woven into" the Doctor's "loom" so she was and wasn't his granddaughter...

But I'm pretty sure the current showrunners rejected that idea; they've made it clear the Doctor's had a family, he mentions having had children, saying he used to be a "Dad" and I am gathering in connotation he wasn't meaning that he cloned someone off a loom (his child Jenny being a clone notwithstanding, as that wasn't exactly planned).

And I think....

SPOILERS for the latest episode...

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They are putting any issue to rest, given how in the latest episode 11 says, "I visited here a long time ago, with my granddaughter."

EEE!

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Also, Susan may be a Gallifreyan but she isn't necessarily a Time Lord. Something worth bearing in mind is that the Doctor was adamant that if any other Time Lords had survived the Time War, he'd know about and would be able to sense them across time and space. The fact that he keeps saying there are none suggests that either Susan isn't a Time Lord, or she is and is now dead.

I don't remember the exact quote, but I seem to remember him saying something along the lines of "he lost his family" or "all my family are gone."

And I would also note that where Susan was left behind was an Earth that had been taken over by the Daleks. The rebellion against the Daleks was now winning thanks to Team TARDIS's help, but IIRC there was some cleaning up to do (not all the Daleks were destroyed. I could be remembering incorrectly, however, it's been awhile since I watched Dalek Invasion of Earth).

And I can in fact see the Daleks of the Time War traveling to that point to try and alter the outcome. In fact, if Susan was indeed a casualty of the Time War, perhaps an early casualty even, it would explain why the Doctor was willing to ultimately do something that he believed at the time would bring genocide both the Daleks and his own people. That's all speculation though. It's a fair chance she could have ended up in the Time War, regardless of her having graduated from the Time Lord Academy or not (and I agree with you, I always see her as a Gallifreyan, but she had not graduated from the Academy and thus had not been given her 12 regenerations).

But if Susan's NOT dead... or he only believed her dead... hell, no matter way, I damn well hope they bring Carole Ann Ford into the 50th. Not another actress playing Susan, HER. She, along with William Russell, are the only living main cast members who were there at the beginning and more than anyone else she should be there for the anniversary. It's certainly easy enough to explain why she's 72--she didn't die young and thus got old! Ignoring my Dalek invasion theory above, she could have helped clean up the Dalek rebellion, lived on Earth to help guide the humans to a new life, and then maybe got sealed away in a stasis field when the Time War started by the Doctor, the Time Lords, the Guardians, even the Daleks, whatever.

I hate it when people don't want an actor around because they dare to have aged. As long as it makes sense for the character, and it easily can be written to do so, why the hell not? We all get gray hair and wrinkles (or the worse alternative) at some point. Again she was there from the first and more than any other companion (even other companions who personality wise I enjoy much more) she deserves to be there (and after her, definitely William Russell).


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Also, Susan may be a Gallifreyan but she isn't necessarily a Time Lord. Something worth bearing in mind is that the Doctor was adamant that if any other Time Lords had survived the Time War, he'd know about and would be able to sense them across time and space. The fact that he keeps saying there are none suggests that either Susan isn't a Time Lord, or she is and is now dead.
But if Susan's NOT dead... or he only believed her dead... hell, no matter way, I damn well hope they bring Carole Ann Ford into the 50th. Not another actress playing Susan, HER. She, along with William Russell, are the only living main cast members who were there at the beginning and more than anyone else she should be there for the anniversary. It's certainly easy enough to explain why she's 72--she didn't die young and thus got old! Ignoring my Dalek invasion theory above, she could have helped clean up the Dalek rebellion, lived on Earth to help guide the humans to a new life, and then maybe got sealed away in a stasis field when the Time War started by the Doctor, the Time Lords, the Guardians, even the Daleks, whatever.

It's certainly possible that she's dead, but it's no where near definitive enough that they couldn't find a loophole to bring her back if they wanted to. And find a way to make her a Time Lord and give her regenerations, if that's what they want to do.

This is Doctor Who. If you can't have confusing continuity and strange retcons, what's the point?

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If they bring her back, it's easy enough to make her a Time Lord I think... there's still some unfinished business with the Time Lords from the last Tennant episode that they could timey-wimey about with.

But all the more reason to be sure you bring in Carole Ann Ford, so she can have a proper regeneration scene. :)


Even if Susan did die, that wouldn't eliminate the Time Lord race entirely (apart from the Doctor and Master). Remember, Romana's still living at the E-Space zero point, separate from the universe.

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Calybos1 wrote:

Even if Susan did die, that wouldn't eliminate the Time Lord race entirely (apart from the Doctor and Master). Remember, Romana's still living at the E-Space zero point, separate from the universe.

I remember early on Russell T Davies saying he went along with the idea presented in the audios that Romana returned to Gallifrey and became president, but that has never been explicitly stated in the series, so I actually hope you are right and she is still in E-Space.


DeathQuaker wrote:
Well, there was a period of time in the 90s where most of the writers of the novels thought the idea of the Doctor reproducing in the normal way (which is how you eventually have granddaughters) was icky and scary and terrible, so they came up with this stupidly convoluted way of Gallifreyans reproducing through "looms" and Susan was actually somehow a different person who was "woven into" the Doctor's "loom" so she was and wasn't his granddaughter...

The novels aren't canon. Of course, they're not non-canon either :) They're basically Schroedinger's Canon, with the TV series respecting some of their ideas (the occasionally-mentioned Chelonians have actually only appeared 'in the flesh' in the novels) but completely rejecting others. I think we can safely assume that the Cartmel Masterplan (which is what the novels went with for the backstory of the Doctor) will not be respected by Moffat at all.

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I don't remember the exact quote, but I seem to remember him saying something along the lines of "he lost his family" or "all my family are gone."

And I would also note that where Susan was left behind was an Earth that had been taken over by the Daleks....

Susan was left behind on an Earth that had just been liberated from the Daleks. The Doctor destroyed all of them on the planet (somewhat conveniently, but there you go). Susan was also alive and well in 2184, nineteen years later, from where she was nabbed to take part in THE FIVE DOCTORS.

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And I can in fact see the Daleks of the Time War traveling to that point to try and alter the outcome. In fact, if Susan was indeed a casualty of the Time War, perhaps an early casualty even, it would explain why the Doctor was willing to ultimately do something that he believed at the time would bring genocide both the Daleks and his own people. That's all speculation though. It's a fair chance she could have ended up in the Time War, regardless of her having graduated from the Time Lord Academy or not (and I agree with you, I always see her as a Gallifreyan, but she had not graduated from the Academy and thus had not been given her 12 regenerations).

Potentially. However, the Daleks did rewrite the invasion once before (in DAY OF THE DALEKS) and I'm not sure how many times even they would try to re-vamp the same event before risking the destruction of the space/time continuum.

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I hate it when people don't want an actor around because they dare to have aged. As long as it makes sense for the character, and it easily can be written to do so, why the hell not? We all get gray hair and wrinkles (or the worse alternative) at some point. Again she was there from the first and more than any other companion (even other companions who personality wise I enjoy much more) she deserves to be there (and after her, definitely William Russell).

I agree, and as I mentioned before she is cameoing in the docu-drama about the creating of the series (not playing Susan because they obviously needed a 16-year-old actress to do that :) ), which is a nice shout-out. I also wouldn't be surprised to see her crop up in the 50th anniversary special itself somehow. Moffat using her being in the docu-drama as cover for some filming for the episode itself would be right up his street :)

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I remember early on Russell T Davies saying he went along with the idea presented in the audios that Romana returned to Gallifrey and became president, but that has never been explicitly stated in the series, so I actually hope you are right and she is still in E-Space.

Yeah, Davies did say several times that Romana was President during the Time War and was presumably killed (to be replaced by the somehow-resurrected Rassilon). I think he even said that this was canon. However, it's only canon for him; if it isn't in the show itself, then later producers probably won't be bound by it.

As the entire Time War is sealed behind the time-lock (and the lock is not perfect, as Davros's escape proves), the situation may be moot. If the lock can be removed theoretically the Time War itself can be undone or prevented. I'm certain that's the get-out clause that some future producer will use when they decide the Doctor being the last Time Lord is a bit boring and they want to bring them back properly. Looping back to the novels, there was a previous Time War - alluded to in the series by the TV one being the 'Last' Great Time War - in which Gallifrey was destroyed, but the Doctor undid it, so the TV writers could certainly nab that for inspiration.

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Werthead wrote:


The novels aren't canon. Of course, they're not non-canon either :) They're basically Schroedinger's Canon, with the TV series respecting some of their ideas (the occasionally-mentioned Chelonians have actually only appeared 'in the flesh' in the novels) but completely rejecting others. I think we can safely assume that the Cartmel Masterplan (which is what the novels went with for the backstory of the Doctor) will not be respected by Moffat at all.

I know. But regardless, the plot of "Lungbarrow" is where the question of Susan's true granddaughterness comes from, at least in part, that was mentioned by the other posters. I'm not saying it should be a controversy, but there is or was a controversy and it comes in part from that.

I personally hope that your assumption is right and that none of the Cartmel Masterplan gets worked into current TV Canon.

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Susan was left behind on an Earth that had just been liberated from the Daleks. The Doctor destroyed all of them on the planet (somewhat conveniently, but there you go). Susan was also alive and well in 2184, nineteen years later, from where she was nabbed to take part in THE FIVE DOCTORS.

I'll trust your memory better than mine. It's hard to know what happened and didn't on Gallifrey because I'm not sure what events were or weren't erased by the Time War, however.

The easiest is to assume that all past events did happen and in that case you would be right, that Susan was at least alive in 2184. (As an aside, I always liked how Peter Davison played how happy his Doctor was to see her.)

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Potentially. However, the Daleks did rewrite the invasion once before (in DAY OF THE DALEKS) and I'm not sure how many times even they would try to re-vamp the same event before risking the destruction of the space/time continuum.

As an aside, one reason I am sick of Daleks is because of how freaking confusing their continuity is within an already large, complex, and often already contradictory series continuity.

And to answer your concern, it depends on how b~@&+*& insane they were at the time. The Daleks' mileage varies on that.

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I agree, and as I mentioned before she is cameoing in the docu-drama about the creating of the series (not playing Susan because they obviously needed a 16-year-old actress to do that :) ), which is a nice shout-out. I also wouldn't be surprised to see her crop up in the 50th anniversary special itself somehow. Moffat using her being in the docu-drama as cover for some filming for the episode itself would be right up his street :)

That would indeed be awesome. :) I also love that they're doing the docu-drama (and of course they'd hire actors to do the past portrayals) itself.

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Yeah, Davies did say several times that Romana was President during the Time War and was presumably killed (to be replaced by the somehow-resurrected Rassilon). I think he even said that this was canon. However, it's only canon for him; if it isn't in the show itself, then later producers probably won't be bound by it.

As I said, I hope so. I also hope they just resolve one way or another what happened to Romana as well anyway.

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As the entire Time War is sealed behind the time-lock (and the lock is not perfect, as Davros's escape proves), the situation may be moot. If the lock can be removed theoretically the Time War itself can be undone or prevented. I'm certain that's the get-out clause that some future producer will use when they decide the Doctor being the last Time Lord is a bit boring and they want to bring them back properly. Looping back to the novels, there was a previous Time War - alluded to in the series by the TV one being the 'Last' Great Time War - in which Gallifrey was destroyed, but the Doctor undid it, so the TV writers could certainly nab that for inspiration.

I hope they don't undo the Time War entirely. It would seem a silly bandaid over a good story idea, however drastic it was to say it happened to begin with.

But I think there is wiggle room to have more survivors of the Time War than the Doctor thinks there are, and the series itself has provided such outs as those chameleon things from the Family of Blood story (my personal fanwank is that Romana is of course living her life out as a human publishing knitting books and being married to Richard Dawkins, since he himself is known to exist in the Whoniverse ;) ), and things being masked from detection (like the Dalek prison box in the Cybermen vs Daleks story I am blanking on the name of) and/or tucked away in subdimensions.

There's also unresolved plot stuff from the last Tennant story, like the older woman who kept looking at him knowingly, which seems begging for an explanation at some point. Although maybe she was the Watcher. ;)


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I personally hope that your assumption is right and that none of the Cartmel Masterplan gets worked into current TV Canon.

It could be, though it would leave the audience looking at each other in slackjawed confusion :)

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