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You are in the middle of a Game & the GM's Brother walks-in and throws one of those large 2-3 Gallon Jugs of Water, the kind used in the Cliche Office Water Coolers, onto the table.

Running everything short of the Rulebooks that were on a separate table & the Flip-Mat. Broke the Miniatures, ruined all the Papers we had, and broke the table. Then starts yelling at her and pushing her into the wall.

All over his sister, the GM, taking some of the snacks, which she bought, to the game. Note: The game was at one of the player's houses.

What I done: I took him down and held him in a Head-Lock until the Police Arrived.

Resolution:

Brother: Going to jail for Assault and Vandalism/Destruction of Private Property. Reimbursement for the Damaged Property.
Sister: 3 Stitches and a few bruises.
Me: A sore shoulder from holding him there for 30 Minutes while the police were in route. I also had to wait an Hour for them to decide whether I acted in Self-Defense or not.


Sounds like you did the right thing to me. Would be what I would have done, if I had the physical capability to do so.


I am ~6' and 300 pounds. He is 6'3" and 250 Pounds of pure Football Playing Muscle. It has nothing to do with Physical Capability. All you have to do is catch the person just right and you can take the person down.


Yeah, I know jack squat about doing that kind of thing >_>


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It is easy to learn. Literally around a 8 Hour Class and you can learn it.


I would have done the exact same thing. And kudos to you for taking a self defense class. 9 years of wrestling in school have left my knees shot, but I wouldnt trade it for the world for the body control and muscle memory it taught me.


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Mine was Military and Police Training. Sadly I can't join the Military or Police... Only a Security Firm.

The sad thing is I am only 19 and have more combat training than most Career Marines.


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I'll bite.

1) Where's this 8 hour class I can sign up for to make me Chuck Norris indestructible?

2) Why are you unable to join the military or the police? With an 8 hour course that would make a 19 year old have some serious combat training, you'd think we'd be whipping ass overseas and would want to have more of those types on the front lines. Right?

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Hell I'd consider taking that class one Saturday and getting back in the ring. It's been a while since I did and may need the edge.


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I'd be like Dalton in Road House cleaning up bar scum. Hell, it's a job. Better than what I haven't been doing the last three plus years.

I need this eight hour course.

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Everything else aside, I can't say that if I did whip some guys ass that I'd consider it something to post on the Paizo boards. But that's just me, ymmv.


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I dunno. Nerd rage is serious business.

Don't touch my dice, bro.

#makesthreateninggestures

Forget eight-hours. What can I learn in four hours? I need a nap.


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Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

Scarab Sages

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In my job as a nightshift gas-station attendant I have been in a similar situation (vicious attacker, more or less helpless/already hurt victim).

When I have been in this situation, I tried to achive the following:

0.5) If possible call the police first
1) get the attacker away from his victim
2) get the victim to safety
3) try to calm down the situation to a non-physical level
4) depending on the situation and the number of attackers drive them off or hold them, the call the police and an ambulance (even if it doesn't seem necessary, brawl injuries can be tricky)

I couldn't suffer doing nothing, but since I have no training in self defence I first try to get space (and if possible a door) between the attacker and me/the victim, the fate of the attacker is only a secondary concern to me.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

Pshaw! My crib was a battledome. I killed one of my brothers every night just to earn the privilege to sit at the dinner table!

(I had a lot of brothers.)
(HAD.)


BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

haha that was actually something taught in those 9 years of middle-high school wrestling: If your opponent is 8 in or more shorter than you, do that. It works. I know, I was only 5'4 until I hit 19. 8/

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Moorluck wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

Pshaw! My crib was a battledome. I killed one of my brothers every night just to earn the privilege to sit at the dinner table!

(I had a lot of brothers.)
(HAD.)

I actually killed my twin while in the womb, like a shark.


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TheWhiteknife wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

haha that was actually something taught in those 9 years of middle-high school wrestling: If your opponent is 8 in or more shorter than you, do that. It works. I know, I was only 5'4 until I hit 19. 8/

Imagine if you had that 8 hour training course tucked into that nine years of grade school wrestling? You'd have gone to Iowa on a full-ride scholarship. Dan Gable would have given you the red carpet treatment. He'd even show you an unsanctioned reach around.

I wonder if there's a three hour version. I need to squeeze in some snacks.

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Celestial Healer wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

Pshaw! My crib was a battledome. I killed one of my brothers every night just to earn the privilege to sit at the dinner table!

(I had a lot of brothers.)
(HAD.)

I actually killed my twin while in the womb, like a shark.

You are hardcore my halo-sportin' brother.


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Moorluck wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

Pshaw! My crib was a battledome. I killed one of my brothers every night just to earn the privilege to sit at the dinner table!

(I had a lot of brothers.)
(HAD.)

Ha! Thats nothing! I beat 10,000 of my brothers and sisters in a swimming race where only the winner gets to live!


The 8 Hour Course is to learn the Basics of being a Bodyguard. The rest of my training is do to spending most of the last 10-11 Years of my life training in Martial Arts. One of which if you are trained in beyond a certain point limits your Governmental Careers... Why we still haven't figured out.

(BTW: I'm 20 I forgot my Birthday was a few days ago...)

feytharn wrote:

In my job as a nightshift gas-station attendant I have been in a similar situation (vicious attacker, more or less helpless/already hurt victim).

When I have been in this situation, I tried to achive the following:

0.5) If possible call the police first
1) get the attacker away from his victim
2) get the victim to safety
3) try to calm down the situation to a non-physical level
4) depending on the situation and the number of attackers drive them off or hold them, the call the police and an ambulance (even if it doesn't seem necessary, brawl injuries can be tricky)

I couldn't suffer doing nothing, but since I have no training in self defence I first try to get space (and if possible a door) between the attacker and me/the victim, the fate of the attacker is only a secondary concern to me.

0.5) was being done by the Host's Life Partner.

1 & 2) where accomplished by me grappling him and my best friend(Ex-Missouri State Trooper) getting in-between them.
3) Doesn't work with a Drunk & High Jock.
4) Always call an Ambulance unless you are capable of Driving a short distance to the hospital or have a Nurse/Doctor/etc handy (such as the afore mentioned Life Partner).

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Azaelas Fayth wrote:

The 8 Hour Course is to learn the Basics of being a Bodyguard. The rest of my training is do to spending most of the last 10-11 Years of my life training in Martial Arts. One of which if you are trained in beyond a certain point limits your Governmental Careers... Why we still haven't figured out.

(BTW: I'm 20 I forgot my Birthday was a few days ago...)

feytharn wrote:

In my job as a nightshift gas-station attendant I have been in a similar situation (vicious attacker, more or less helpless/already hurt victim).

When I have been in this situation, I tried to achive the following:

0.5) If possible call the police first
1) get the attacker away from his victim
2) get the victim to safety
3) try to calm down the situation to a non-physical level
4) depending on the situation and the number of attackers drive them off or hold them, the call the police and an ambulance (even if it doesn't seem necessary, brawl injuries can be tricky)

I couldn't suffer doing nothing, but since I have no training in self defence I first try to get space (and if possible a door) between the attacker and me/the victim, the fate of the attacker is only a secondary concern to me.

0.5) was being done by the Host's Life Partner.

1 & 2) where accomplished by me grappling him and my best friend(Ex-Missouri State Trooper) getting in-between them.
3) Doesn't work with a Drunk & High Jock.
4) Always call an Ambulance unless you are capable of Driving a short distance to the hospital or have a Nurse/Doctor/etc handy (such as the afore mentioned Life Partner).

I'm sorry but, Whaaaaaaaaaaat?


So, where's this bodyguard course? And curious, what martial arts?

Do they have a speedreader version? I may have to pick up a copy on Amazon or at Half Price Books.

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It's classified.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hug the lightweight and fall over.

Forget 8 hour courses. My elementary school had a battledome.

Pshaw! My crib was a battledome. I killed one of my brothers every night just to earn the privilege to sit at the dinner table!

(I had a lot of brothers.)
(HAD.)

Ha! Thats nothing! I beat 10,000 of my brothers and sisters in a swimming race where only the winner gets to live!

I can beat that. Every time my wife goes out of town I kill millions of my own offspring.


The Course depends on the State Regulations here in Missouri there are many places that teach enough to be a Certified Bodyguard.

Martial Arts: Really... I don't remember all the different types...

The reason why they say it excludes practitioners is because of it "Posing to high of a risk".

They are saying it is do to the War Crimes Case a Unit of Marines Faced after the Persian Gulf War. They used a Martial Arts from Greece in the Manner the Spartans did. That is Gouging out Eyes, pounding and killing yielding opponents, etc.

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Azaelas Fayth wrote:

The Course depends on the State Regulations here in Missouri there are many places that teach enough to be a Certified Bodyguard.

Martial Arts: Really... I don't remember all the different types...

The reason why they say it excludes practitioners is because of it "Posing to high of a risk".

They are saying it is do to the War Crimes Case a Unit of Marines Faced after the Persian Gulf War. They used a Martial Arts from Greece in the Manner the Spartans did. That is Gouging out Eyes, pounding and killing yielding opponents, etc.

You don't remember all the types you've practiced? Really?

And I think you're referring to Pancratium, which is one of the foundations for modern special forces hand to hand combat training.

And lastly, I'd think such a blood bath would have made news headlines... but sadly, no.


It did but the Press only got a small bit of information do to the International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act.

But I learned multiple ones at the same time.

Even then I wouldn't be able to do to that accursed Cultural Defense Act that was Past a couple years back.

NOTE: Martial Arts doesn't just refer to the Martial Arts you see in Wuxia Movies.

BTW: The reason why I posted this was because afterwards we got cussed out by the other Players that didn't get involved and just decided to stand back and let her get hurt.

Liberty's Edge

First, happy birthday.

Second, is there an age requirement to the class?

Third, what does the class cover?

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Azaelas Fayth wrote:

It did but the Press only got a small bit of information do to the International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act.

But I learned multiple ones at the same time.

Even then I wouldn't be able to do to that accursed Cultural Defense Act that was Past a couple years back.

NOTE: Martial Arts doesn't just refer to the Martial Arts you see in Wuxia Movies.

And you think you need to point that out? I mean considering I could name the Grecian combat style that you profess to have mastered to a point where you are barred from serving in the Armed Forces, I can promise you that knowledge is well within my field of education.


It isn't just the Grecian Martial Arts that is banned. There is a list of... 7 I believe... My Google-Fu is failing me to find the Act that restricts it.

@lucky7:

1) Thanks!
2) 16-40 for the one I was in.
3) For mine it covers "Restraint", "Maneuvering", and "Tactics". Restraint is learning the techniques to take the aggressors out of the fight. Maneuvering is learning how to move to cut off and how to move with the aggressors. Finally, Tactics is learning how to move with your Partner to optimize your effectiveness. You have 2 Hours each. 1 Hour for each of the 2 Sub-Sections in each lesson. 1 Hours to practice techniques. Then you have to pass a test where it is a simulated attack on your "Client".

Each State has different requirements. The individual Course might be different based on the Instructor as well.

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lucky7 wrote:

First, happy birthday.

Second, is there an age requirement to the class?

Third, what does the class cover?

Most "Bodyguard" schools consist of you paying in the ballpark of $200 to undergo a short seminar/training video, basically teaching you how to walk in front of someone while keeping your eyes open, after which you receive a diploma or certificate stating you are "trained".

There are training facilities for actual professional bodyguards, these teach criminal profiling courses, firearm training, and some hand to hand. These generally accept ex-military/law enforcement candidates and they can move you right into a job with an agency soon after graduation.

EDIT: As for age requirements, the real schools would run 21 and up, some of the best start at 25 years old due to maturity issues. The formerly mentioned "basement classes" will take a person at 18+.


What the hell caused him to flip our like that?

Also, learn from my folly. This year would not be nearly so bad if i had been in shape last year. That's all I'm going to say about that.

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Freehold DM wrote:

What the hell caused him to flip our like that?

Also, learn from my folly. This year would not be nearly so bad if i had been in shape last year. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Yeah, even though I finally came to an agreement with the wife that I am indeed to old to get back into the ring, I too want to get back into fighting trim. If for no other reason than my daughter will be a teenager sooner than I'd like. :P


Freehold DM wrote:

What the hell caused him to flip our like that?

Also, learn from my folly. This year would not be nearly so bad if i had been in shape last year. That's all I'm going to say about that.

He was staying with her do to her Parents pressuring her. He got Drunk & High went looking for the Snacks he knew she bought. Discovered she had taken them and then drove over to where we were with his Buddies... in his Work Truck while on the Clock. That is why he had the bottle he had.

Needless to say all of them are gonna be fired.

And it lead to my revelation of the fact that I need to get in better shape.

EDIT: @Moorlock: If you are around Springfield, Missouri we are starting up a Training Group.


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Moorluck wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

What the hell caused him to flip our like that?

Also, learn from my folly. This year would not be nearly so bad if i had been in shape last year. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Yeah, even though I finally came to an agreement with the wife that I am indeed to old to get back into the ring, I too want to get back into fighting trim. If for no other reason than my daughter will be a teenager sooner than I'd like. :P

Crapfully crap. 6 year old daughter told me that a boy kissed her in school the other day. Knees be damned, I gotta get back in shape too.


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Deep Fryer wrote:
It's classified.

Damn skippy, Captain.


I'd catch him stoned or asleep and beat the living fark out of him with a piece of re-bar. Every day.


Frequent Fryer wrote:
Deep Fryer wrote:
It's classified.
Damn skippy, Captain.

Ack! I am seeing the light if day once more!

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TheWhiteknife wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

What the hell caused him to flip our like that?

Also, learn from my folly. This year would not be nearly so bad if i had been in shape last year. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Yeah, even though I finally came to an agreement with the wife that I am indeed to old to get back into the ring, I too want to get back into fighting trim. If for no other reason than my daughter will be a teenager sooner than I'd like. :P
Crapfully crap. 6 year old daughter told me that a boy kissed her in school the other day. Knees be damned, I gotta get back in shape too.

Mine is 8 going on 16. Everyday she comes home from school telling me about some new boy she likes. Except for the couple of months last year when she came home to tell me about some girl she was in love with.

Yeah, I'm going to have my hands full with her. O.o


Azaelas Fayth wrote:

International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act...

Cultural Defense Act that was Past [sic] a couple years back.

Neither of these exist. And neither does any law which prevents you from holding government office due to 10-11 years of martial arts training. Or any amount or kind of martial arts training for that matter.


Moorluck wrote:
TheWhiteknife wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

What the hell caused him to flip our like that?

Also, learn from my folly. This year would not be nearly so bad if i had been in shape last year. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Yeah, even though I finally came to an agreement with the wife that I am indeed to old to get back into the ring, I too want to get back into fighting trim. If for no other reason than my daughter will be a teenager sooner than I'd like. :P
Crapfully crap. 6 year old daughter told me that a boy kissed her in school the other day. Knees be damned, I gotta get back in shape too.

Mine is 8 going on 16. Everyday she comes home from school telling me about some new boy she likes. Except for the couple of months last year when she came home to tell me about some girl she was in love with.

Yeah, I'm going to have my hands full with her. O.o

She is a ball of energy!!


MeanDM wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act...

Cultural Defense Act that was Past [sic] a couple years back.

Neither of these exist. And neither does any law which prevents you from holding government office due to 10-11 years of martial arts training. Or any amount or kind of martial arts training for that matter.

The International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act was repealled. That is why we now know Patton got charged with Cruelty to his soldiers.

I am not talking Government Office. I am talking Government Combatant Positions. That is Police, State Patrols, State Investigation Bureaus, the Federal Investigation Bureau, and any of the 5 Branches of the Military. The Cultural Defense Act states that any member of a culture that is considered under protection of the ICPI may not take on any government funded job that poses a major threat to their well-being.


Azaelas Fayth wrote:
MeanDM wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act...

Cultural Defense Act that was Past [sic] a couple years back.

Neither of these exist. And neither does any law which prevents you from holding government office due to 10-11 years of martial arts training. Or any amount or kind of martial arts training for that matter.

The International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act was repealled. That is why we now know Patton got charged with Cruelty to his soldiers.

I am not talking Government Office. I am talking Government Combatant Positions. That is Police, State Patrols, State Investigation Bureaus, the Federal Investigation Bureau, and any of the 5 Branches of the Military. The Cultural Defense Act states that any member of a culture that is considered under protection of the ICPI may not take on any government funded job that poses a major threat to their well-being.

Links. Actual formal law names. Something.

Nothing relevant comes up under searches for "International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act", "Cultural Defense Act" or ICPI.

I'm also not sure why taking Martial Arts classes makes you a "member of a culture that is considered under protection of the ICPI". Especially when your earlier claim was that the martial art made you too dangerous for the military.


Azaelas Fayth wrote:
MeanDM wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act...

Cultural Defense Act that was Past [sic] a couple years back.

Neither of these exist. And neither does any law which prevents you from holding government office due to 10-11 years of martial arts training. Or any amount or kind of martial arts training for that matter.

The International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act was repealled. That is why we now know Patton got charged with Cruelty to his soldiers.

I am not talking Government Office. I am talking Government Combatant Positions. That is Police, State Patrols, State Investigation Bureaus, the Federal Investigation Bureau, and any of the 5 Branches of the Military. The Cultural Defense Act states that any member of a culture that is considered under protection of the ICPI may not take on any government funded job that poses a major threat to their well-being.

Look, I'm a lawyer. I did a search for both of these on Westlaw and Fastcase. Paid services that compile case law and federal and state statutes. They don't exist. Sorry to call you out on this, but this is a pretty large dissemination of incorrect information. There are no protected cultures under the ICPI, because the ICPI doesn't exist.


International Culture Protection Initiative.

Look closely to what I said. Even if the training didn't cause it the law would come into effect.

Ironically, the law is only heavily enforced in Missouri, Texas, and DC. Most other places ignore it.

Either way this is off the original topic.

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MeanDM wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
MeanDM wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act...

Cultural Defense Act that was Past [sic] a couple years back.

Neither of these exist. And neither does any law which prevents you from holding government office due to 10-11 years of martial arts training. Or any amount or kind of martial arts training for that matter.

The International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act was repealled. That is why we now know Patton got charged with Cruelty to his soldiers.

I am not talking Government Office. I am talking Government Combatant Positions. That is Police, State Patrols, State Investigation Bureaus, the Federal Investigation Bureau, and any of the 5 Branches of the Military. The Cultural Defense Act states that any member of a culture that is considered under protection of the ICPI may not take on any government funded job that poses a major threat to their well-being.

Look, I'm a lawyer. I did a search for both of these on Westlaw and Fastcase. Paid services that compile case law and federal and state statutes. They don't exist. Sorry to call you out on this, but this is a pretty large dissemination of incorrect information. There are no protected cultures under the ICPI, because the ICPI doesn't exist.

You should be sorry, some of us were having fun watching him scramble to find answers to plug the holes in his story. ;P

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It has been rather amusing Azaelas, but at a certain point it's just kinda sad. Best to just own up to it and move on.


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Nope nope nope nope.


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Moorluck wrote:
MeanDM wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
MeanDM wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act...

Cultural Defense Act that was Past [sic] a couple years back.

Neither of these exist. And neither does any law which prevents you from holding government office due to 10-11 years of martial arts training. Or any amount or kind of martial arts training for that matter.

The International War Crimes Sealed Cases Act was repealled. That is why we now know Patton got charged with Cruelty to his soldiers.

I am not talking Government Office. I am talking Government Combatant Positions. That is Police, State Patrols, State Investigation Bureaus, the Federal Investigation Bureau, and any of the 5 Branches of the Military. The Cultural Defense Act states that any member of a culture that is considered under protection of the ICPI may not take on any government funded job that poses a major threat to their well-being.

Look, I'm a lawyer. I did a search for both of these on Westlaw and Fastcase. Paid services that compile case law and federal and state statutes. They don't exist. Sorry to call you out on this, but this is a pretty large dissemination of incorrect information. There are no protected cultures under the ICPI, because the ICPI doesn't exist.
You should be sorry, some of us were having fun watching him scramble to find answers to plug the holes in his story. ;P

Don't worry. It won't stop here.

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