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The Soothsayer's Raiment is keyed to a specific Revelation, but unlike the Ring of Revelation, it has no level restriction to use the Revelation.
Now, under this current understanding, how is an Oracle, with the Outer Rifts Mystery, affected by a Soothsayer's Raiment, with the Dread Resilience Revelation keyed to it?
Going just by RAW, you get +1 Con when you put it on and then another +1 for every 4 levels of Oracle you gain after that.
This makes taking it off and putting it back on something of a losing proposition, I think. :)
I don't think you can UMD it though. UMD lets you emulate a class feature, and the raiment requires being worn by an oracle. I don't think UMD can mimic the class as a whole.
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Well, UMD can emulate a class feature.
So, if you are an Oracle, you could emulate a different Mystery, with UMD, as it is a class feature.
I believe I am reading this as RAW.
So, as it seems, a 5th level Oracle, who puts on a Soothsayer's Raiment with the Dread Resilience Revelation stored in it, would have a +1 inherent bonus, or +2?
Well, UMD can emulate a class feature.
So, if you are an Oracle, you could emulate a different Mystery, with UMD, as it is a class feature.
I believe I am reading this as RAW.
So, as it seems, a 5th level Oracle, who puts on a Soothsayer's Raiment with the Dread Resilience Revelation stored in it, would have a +1 inherent bonus, or +2?
I'd say +1, since you haven't had the revelation active during the gain of four levels. It's worded pretty neatly.
I love the idea that UMD makes it an extra revelation feat from any mystery. Of course, since it's an ongoing effect, you have to make the check every hour. Still makes me want to play an oracle now.
The oracle must have the appropriate mystery to use the armor
I'd say that's pretty clear-cut.
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The oracle must have the appropriate mystery to use the armorI'd say that's pretty clear-cut.
Yes. A Mystery is a class feature of the Oracle. Thus, an Oracle can use UMD to replicate a class feature, and be treated as if they had the right Mystery.
So, you can't get past the need to be an Oracle, but you can get past the inappropriate Mystery, with some UMD checks.
The oracle must have the appropriate mystery to use the armorI'd say that's pretty clear-cut.Yes. A Mystery is a class feature of the Oracle. Thus, an Oracle can use UMD to replicate a class feature, and be treated as if they had the right Mystery.
So, you can't get past the need to be an Oracle, but you can get past the inappropriate Mystery, with some UMD checks.
I'm pretty sure that if the idea of this was to let an Oracle gain Revelations from another Mystery, they wouldn't have specified that you couldn't do so. Or they would have included a line about UMD.
I don't see how the line specifying you must have the appropriate Mystery can be bypassed with UMD, but the line specifying you must be an Oracle can't. Seems like you're cherry-picking.
But, hey, if your GM lets you, go nuts.
The ongoing emulate class feature usage of UMD is one of the lesser known applications. I imagine a lot of people aren't aware of the option.
I'm mostly going by James' response to a similar question about the Ring of Revelation. I know he's not an official rules guy, but his read is the same as mine. It's pretty clearly worded that you have to be an Oracle and you have to have the right Mystery.
Especially this:
Furthermore, the ring specifically says that it has no effect if worn by a non-oracle.
It also specifically says you have to have the right mystery.
I'm mostly going by James' response to a similar question about the Ring of Revelation. I know he's not an official rules guy, but his read is the same as mine. It's pretty clearly worded that you have to be an Oracle and you have to have the right Mystery.
Especially this:
Furthermore, the ring specifically says that it has no effect if worn by a non-oracle.It also specifically says you have to have the right mystery.
We're assuming an oracle wearing it and trying to emulate a class feature she chose not to take.
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I'm mostly going by James' response to a similar question about the Ring of Revelation. I know he's not an official rules guy, but his read is the same as mine. It's pretty clearly worded that you have to be an Oracle and you have to have the right Mystery.
Especially this:
Furthermore, the ring specifically says that it has no effect if worn by a non-oracle.It also specifically says you have to have the right mystery.
Normally, I would agree with you. But James' ruling did not rule out an oracle of appropriate level using revelation outside his mystery.
Normally, I would agree with you. But James' ruling did not rule out an oracle of appropriate level using revelation outside his mystery.I'm mostly going by James' response to a similar question about the Ring of Revelation. I know he's not an official rules guy, but his read is the same as mine. It's pretty clearly worded that you have to be an Oracle and you have to have the right Mystery.
Especially this:
Furthermore, the ring specifically says that it has no effect if worn by a non-oracle.It also specifically says you have to have the right mystery.
It didn't rule it out. But the reasoning behind it, which is that there is text explicitly calling out under what conditions one can and can't use it, is applicable to both cases.
Let's step back from the UMD thing for a moment.
How exactly does one determine the total inherent bonus to Constitution?
The way that revelation is written, the con bonus is based on how early you take it.
If you take it at 9th level, you get +1 con then and another at 13th level (assuming no multiclass).
If you it at 11th level, you get +1 con then, and another at 15 level.
So with the item, if you put it on, you get +1 Con then, and another +1 if you constant wear it over the course of gaining another 4 oracle levels.
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Further clarification from James Jacobs on the Oracle of appropriate level using UMD for a Revelation outside his / her mystery.
James' additional response to a similar question about the Ring of Revelation.
Quoted:
Ring of Revelation: No. This ring grants access to a revelation. It does not allow the wearer to choose what revelation it grants, though; that's hardcoded into the ring. You can't Use Magic Device to change this any more than you can to change a wand of fireball into a wand of gaseous form.
Soothsayer's Raiment: Same thing.
Sorry, I didn't phrase that properly. What I meant was: can an Oracle of a given mystery use UMD to emulate a different mystery in order to access the revelation coded into the ring?
For example: Suppose a Nature oracle who finds a ring of revelation containing "Sacred Council" from the Ancestor mystery. Can s/he use UMD to emulate the Ancestor mystery class feature and thereby access the "Sacred Council" revelation from the ring (assuming s/he continues to make the requisite UMD checks every hour to continue emulating the Ancestor mystery)?
Yes. That's using the "emulate a class feature," in this case, the class feature of having the Ancestor mystery. I guess, in theory, you could do that if you were ANY class, though. Which may not be the way I've interpreted the ability before.
As always, though, your GM has the last say.