Dimensional Agility Feat Tree


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So im in the process of building a 12th level Wayang F/W/EK and i wanted to base him ard the Dimensional Agility feat tree. My question is under Dimensional Dervish feat it reads:

You can take a full-attack action, activating abundant step or casting dimension door as a swift action. If your do, you can teleport up to twice your speed (up to the maximum distance allowed by the spell or ability), dividing this teleportation into increments you use before your first attack, between each attack, and after your last attack. You must teleport at least 5 feet each time you teleport.

Would this allow for the spell to be cast off of a wand or scroll? Or is it just from memorized spells?


Additionally would Dimensional Agility work with:

Shift (Su): At 1st level, you can teleport to a nearby space as a swift action as if using dimension door. This movement does not provoke an attack of opportunity. You must be able to see the space that you are moving into. You cannot take other creatures with you when you use this ability (except for familiars). You can move 5 feet for every two wizard levels you possess (minimum 5 feet). You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Intelligence modifier.

It states "as if" using Dem Door, so i think it does..


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Shift is not actually Dimension Door, so it doesn't work. This is why Abundant Step is explicitly given as an alternate qualification.

On the subject of using items, I don't think it works with DimDerv, but it may work with the other parts of the line: In PF the minimum casting time for a spell from a magic item is a standard action, even if the spell itself is less.

If you want to know just how annoyingly badly written that feat chain is, look at Magus, who can teleport the full distance then full attack at a mere -2 attack penalty out of the box thanks to a wording snag in DD and Spell Combat (Spell Combat is a single full round action, DDoor blocks REMAINING actions, doing nothing to on-going actions you still have control over. While not the intent, it isn't really broken or abusive, as second and third level Magus spells allow similar move+attack when used with spell combat)


So ur adept enough to dem door and full attack with the spell, but u cant do it with an (su) that acts the exact same way as dem door? It speciafically references the spell by name in the ability.. As a gm i would be ok with this.. Anyone else's thoughts on it? I didnt fig the wand would work though..


You have to fill the requirement of a feat. Something that is similar to the requirement does not count. Otherwise they would not have to specifically call out Abundant Step since it also reference Dimension Door.

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Prerequisites

Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat.

The rules don't allow for substitutes.

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The dimensional agility line of feats is one of the areas in need of revision. There are too many abilities that it should work with but does not.

A classic example is the shadow dancer's shadow jump ability.


deuxhero wrote:

In PF the minimum casting time for a spell from a magic item is a standard action, even if the spell itself is less.

I thought you could apply metamagic feats to magic items when you make them. Thus cant you make a wand of empowered burning hands by paying the cost to create as if it were the higher level spell? Or an item that casts a quickened spell etc?


Artanthos wrote:

The dimensional agility line of feats is one of the areas in need of revision. There are too many abilities that it should work with but does not.

A classic example is the shadow dancer's shadow jump ability.

IIRC the original creator of the feat wanted it to work that way, but Paizo made it more restrictive on purpose.

PS:Sometimes Paizo uses freelancers for parts of their book.


Banecrow wrote:
deuxhero wrote:

In PF the minimum casting time for a spell from a magic item is a standard action, even if the spell itself is less.

I thought you could apply metamagic feats to magic items when you make them. Thus cant you make a wand of empowered burning hands by paying the cost to create as if it were the higher level spell? Or an item that casts a quickened spell etc?

You could, but bar some new ability that overrides the standard action minimum, it's a waste.


wraithstrike wrote:
Artanthos wrote:

The dimensional agility line of feats is one of the areas in need of revision. There are too many abilities that it should work with but does not.

A classic example is the shadow dancer's shadow jump ability.

IIRC the original creator of the feat wanted it to work that way, but Paizo made it more restrictive on purpose.

PS:Sometimes Paizo uses freelancers for parts of their book.

Correct. The ability was originally much less restricted but was later changed to be highly restrictive.

And I'd say most of the Paizo books are freelancer written.

FWIW, the author has said that shift does not work.

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