Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant
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Well, just because the very few goblin PCs can buy goblin dogs from the AniArch, doesn't mean they can add them as mounts to a class. Cavalier has a specific list of mounts for med/small characters, and only a very few things change that list. Beast-rider archetype is one way, but again that is based on PC size, not race.
That isn't true.
As I noted the Goblin Dog is restricted in PFS play to goblins.
And riding dogs or wolves are restricted to small races. (I think with a few other options on my iPhone at the moment)
So there is precedent for race exceptions. My question is what else I've missed and if there are any thoughts to make other exceptions (a reptile mount option for example for Nagaji paladins for example)
A small sized mounted character without the strength penalty! Why hasn't anyone else thought of that?
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I'm curious if there is a comprehensive, PFS legal set of guidelines for what animals are available for which races as mounts or animal companions?
Specifically for not just races that are small (which get access to medium not large mounts) but also for races that might have some reasons for using animals outside of the usual lists.
Goblins with Goblin Dogs (for those lucky enough to have a boon to play one) is one case I'm aware of. The specific case I'm curious about is races like the Nagaji.
i.e. for my Nagaji Paladin would there be an options for a reptilian mount instead of a horse or camel? In a home game I would definitely work with a player to find a suitable option as the flavor of a reptilian creature (with a racial bonus to Handle Animals vs Reptiles) riding a horse or camel seems off but for PFS play I think those would be his only options.
I was thinking of a Nagaji Paladin build for PFS also. Did you learn any more about this? Most of the reptiles on the Druid companion list start out as size small (not a great choice of mount) but at effective level of 5, all but the Velociraptor are medium or large. I presume the intelligence stat for the mount just increases from the base as it must be "at least 6". I'm not sure it makes much sense to saddle a snake, so from the current list a crocodile might be the best fit.
But some sort of lizard might be better. Monitor lizards and other dinosaurs have companion details, although the lizard won't be large enough until the paladin is 7th level. I don't think the Pteranodon would have the strength to fly with a rider until you could get a large one. T-Rex companion looks like it could be a fun choice, especially at higher levels with higher STR and powerful bite.
I presume the intelligence stat for the mount just increases from the base as it must be "at least 6".
You assume incorrectly. Please refer to the animal companion advancement chart in the core rulebook. Most companions start with a 2 intelligence.
Paladins, cavaliers and rangers all get different types of companions/mounts they can pick.
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Paladins, cavaliers and rangers all get different types of companions/mounts they can pick.
Hey Chalk, maybe you didn't understand my question. In PFS we are only allowed to have mounts on page 63 of the Core Rule book. As it states
As a paladin, your divine bond mount must be at least one size category larger than you starting at 1st level. If you’re a Medium PC, your mount must be Large. If you’re a Small PC, your mount must be at least Medium. You may only select a mount from the listed mounts on page 63 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook unless another source grants access to additional creature choices. As a cavalier, you may select a mount from those listed on page 33 of the Advanced Player's Guide. No additional mounts are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play except when granted from another legal source.
So my question is on page 5 of Animal Archive it gives a list of different animals for specific races. Am I allowed to choose a Giant Eagle for my Elf Paladin's mount? Or a Dire Wolf for my Orc Paladin's mount?
Oh so you are just asking about Cavalier mounts now? Not pal/cav/druids?
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Per Additional Resources, the animals in AA are available for purchase, but that does not mean that the list of legal mounts for Paladins or Cavaliers is extended.
Yes, I'm seeing the same after further review. While many animal choices appear available as animal companions, the PFSOP FAQ limits mounts to what's listed on a specific pages of the CRB (paladins) or APG (cavaliers). Of course, those pages have words about "more exotic" and "other animals" being allowed per GM discretion. I suspect the PFSOP rules are currently excluding those vaguely defined options, for consistency.
This limitation really diminishes the value of alternate race boons if you wanted to select a paladin or cavalier, and medium characters are restricted to only horses and camels as mounts.
I need to make up a new PC for a low tier game next month, and I was really interested in the Nagaji paladin idea. Perhaps these odd racial types aren't common enough to push for a revision, but different sorts of mounts for them would give the game a better flavor. (A Nagaji PC should have a reptilian mount). I'm not sure if I'll go this route now, but maybe there is a boon out there that I could pick up before reaching level 5, which would allow a different mount. If not, I could always go with the bonded item option.
On the topic of paladin's mount INT, CRB says that the mount is unusually intelligent (INT at least 6). I think this overrides the standard INT scores listed under animal companions, but perhaps some animals allowed as companions would be deemed incapable of the higher INT required for this sort of mount. The advancement table shows that a normal animal companion (INT 1 or 2) would at best have one more point of INT when called by a 5th level character (INT 2 or 3).