A real great sword.
I love how the overall Sharpened part of the Blade is only 1" longer than their Long Sword.
But I am not gonna lie I cringed seeing some of the things they were doing... Such as the Pull-Ups.
Ice is described as being a Valyrian Greatsword. Which in ASoI&F is realistically usable 1-Handed (though with Penalty). But it was described as being Forged for a Man larger than most.
Not sure about the books (a completely different animal), but in the television show it's pretty clear that "Ice" is too unwieldy to use in combat. It's only ever used for choppin' off heads--or at least that's the impression I got from watchin' it in action.
You'll have to scroll down alittle but its hard to miss....
@Detect Magic: Ice Wiki Page. The reason why it was so large was because it was overall taller than Rob in the First Book. They made it larger do to having an older actor.
@havoc xiii: You mean the Giants Buckler?
I know how to wield a Greatsword. I just love how most think of the blade as this 5+ Foot Bladed Weapon that requires massive Strength to wield.
Yes the giants buckle, Elric takes it and uses it one handed as a normal buckler.
@kyrt-rider: So a D&D Greatsword has no real world analogue? A Collared Greatsword is the only style ever actually used. Everything else was Parade or Ceremonial Use. Heck really every Weapon should have multiple Damage Types.
@havoc xiii: Wow... A Tower or Heavy Shield I could see. A Buckler... Not so much.
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They also draw women who somehow can twist their spines such that you can see both breasts and both buttocks at the same time.
Given the usual size of the breasts in question (and often the buttocks as well), that's perfectly plausible. I would imagine its hard to position a woman with 36DDDs in a way where her breasts weren't visible.
Sorry for the Month Dead Necro...
Ice could reasonably be slightly larger do to the fact that Valyrian Steel is lighter than Steel. So a Mithril Sword could be larger than a normal steel blade.
Basically they are able to be larger do to being lighter but they still suffer from size. That means they need some sort of adapted sheathe/holster.
To those who believe that only anime has large weapons.
From wikipedia:
Staff of the Monkey King
It is an iron rod whose size changes ruyi 如意 "as-one-wishes," which Sun Wukong obtains from the undersea palace of Ao Guang, the Dragon King of the East Sea. It is immensely heavy (weighing "13,500 jīn")(8,100 kg/17,820 lbs); in modern measurements, it is slightly heavier than 8.5 metric tons.
Pfft.
Everybody knows Dragonball originated that.
Still Anime popularized the style. Sun Wukong was a Spirit and was Supernatural. He wasn't a basic human hefting that 8.5 mT Staff. I would like to point out that the Roman Army used boards less than 2 Feet Wide to cross Gaps.
There have been Large Blades. But most of them were wielded by People who make The Mountain seem small. Heck the only confirmed Wielder of one was almost 9 Feet with a Greatsword ~14-18 inches wide and ~.5 inches thick at its base with an overall length of ~6.5 Feet.
It is known that he had has sword reforged into a Bastard Sword, Short Sword/Long Dagger, and Spearhead for his children.
D&D contributed to the popularization for nearly 40 years. for 1st-3rd edition, the Greatsword dealt more damage per swing than most other weapons.
in 1st and 2nd, damage bonuses were scarce, but double specializing in the greatsword, gave you +3 to hit and damage, and an extra attack per round. it also was the only 2handed weapon with a 2d6 damage die that could reach a full enhancement of +5.
in 3rd-3.5 and in PF
while greatswords are no longer DPR kings, they still deal the most damage per swing against uncrittable foes, but lack reach or a decent crit chance. having the straight edged sword standard. being 2handed, they get a huge bonus from strength and power attack, which can be abused with certain fighter archetypes.
I meant the Oversized Stylization of them...
I meant the Oversized Stylization of them...
Anime and Mythology contributed somewhat as well.
but if you look at the D&D damage heirarchy, the most powerful weapons, were always, the large swords. and because such large weapons invalidated so many other concepts. a lot of players built characters with the concept of "Bigger is Better" in mind. they even have rules for large swords along the lines of Guts from Berserk in the 3.0 Arms and Equipment guise.
plus there was the monkey grip feat, which allowed you to take -2 to hit to wield an oversized weapon.
in PF, there is the Titan Mauler Archtype, which allows a medium creature to potentially wield a collossal 2handed weapon at a -8 penalty, reduced by an amount equal 1/3 of its barbarian level.
How are you wielding a Colossal Weapon?
How are you wielding a Colossal Weapon?
Tis a mechanical perk of the Titan Mauler Archetype at the high levels. nobody can do it IRL. but by the rules, you can consider it a form of Abuse.
it is -2 for every size larger than yourself, -8 for medium, an 18th+ titan mauler can reduce that to -2, while a 12th can reduce it to -4.
tis a suboptimal archetype built around medium PCs wielding collossal weapons. doesn't stack with invulnerable rager though.
it is kind of assumed, that nobody would bring up why the barbarian is wielding a weapon the length of a skyscraper. and such a thing goes under fridge logic, the questions you ask yourself when you go to grab an unhealthy snack from the fridge, whether something toxic like beer, or something carby like potato chips.
Edit; i don't even know how the barbarian physically wraps their hands around the handle of said weapon. just that it can be done by a Titan Mauler Archetype Barbarian.
The problem is, last I checked at least, there is no weapon that you can wield as such. All weapons would be 3H for a Medium Creature.
Simply grabbing the cords wrapping the shaft would work on most. Or do like the Guy from Rave Master.
EDIT: Uta the Eternal!
The problem is, last I checked at least, there is no weapon that you can wield as such. All weapons would be 3H for a Medium Creature.
Titan Mauler gets to ignore Handedness for oversized weapons.
meaning it takes them the same number of hands as their medium counterparts
it's an errata related perk of massive weapons.
note it does not list a size limit on the weapons you wield. but a 2handed weapon is a 2handed weapon, regardless of size for you, and a collossal 2hander has a base penalty of -8 before you factor the massive weapons mitigation bonus of 1/3 barbarian level. by level 12, you can wield a huge weapon at no penalty, gargantuan at -2 or collossal at -4 and at 18th, you can wield gargantuan at -2 and collossal at -4.
it isn't so much cheesy in the overpowered sense as much as it is cheesy in the versimilitude breaking sense.
I think you passed that threshold at "Gets so angry he grows wings and eats magic like it's candy".
Golarion ain't the real world.
Titan Mauler gets to ignore Handedness for oversized weapons.
The FAQ begs to differ:
Barbarian--Titan Mauler: Can a Medium titan mauler wield a Large two-handed weapon, such as a Large greatsword?
No. The "Inappropriately Sized Weapons" rule (Core Rulebook 144) says (in summary) that a creature can't wield an inappropriately-sized weapon if the size difference would increase it one or more "steps" beyond "two-handed." None of the titan mauler's abilities say the character can break the "steps" part of the "Inappropriately Sized Weapons" rule, so the character still has to follow that rule.
@Lumiere: You might want to recheck the Errata as well as the Oversized Weapons Rule.
EDIT: Falls to pieces cause I just got... .
Is that why everyone's been saying how useless the Titan Mauler is?
I can see why TBH.
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Most either use a Dev's suggested Fix. Each time you get an increase you can increase the size of your weapons by 1 instead. I personally allow them to be able to increase whenever the weapon Penalties reach 0.
It's a stylistic thing.
Artists know that fantasy implies some suspension of disbelief (otherwise how would dragons fly) and that there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of badassness. Which leads to impressive dragons, horrifying monsters, impossibly spiked armor, trophy-skulls pasted to crotches, clothes that had to have been glued on, bodily assets that defy physics, and giant swords.
The giant sword reminds you that this is fantasy.
Think of this. Painting of a guy. Pants, no shirt, hair a little long, looks like Fabio. Looks like a dime-store romance cover. Now... add a giant sword slung over his shoulders. Suddenly it's no longer the cover of a book your mother reads when she's bored. Now it's fantasy.
And it's fantasy because it looks ridiculous.
But it does the opposite to me.
Well, not everyone reacts the same way.
For instance, I find crotch-mounted trophy skulls to be completely ridiculous.
Oddly enough, I have seen Historical Painting with more ridiculous Codpieces...
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Oddly enough, I have seen Historical Painting with more ridiculous Codpieces...
Like most things I post, potentially NSFW.
Actually I was thinking of that painting of a Spanish/French Noble who literally had a 2-3 Foot Metal Codpiece that curved up like... Well it should be obvious what it appears as. What you post isn't technically a Codpiece but a type of Fetish device. (Yes there is a difference. Not a big one but there is one.)
Also its good to keep in mind that historical weaponry was made purely to fight other humans. D&D fantasy weapons have to be able to effectively fight giants and manticores and dragon and so forth. The same small blades as will easily kill a human are less likely to be effective against gigantic scaled beasts, I would guess. Hence, we get giganto weapons.
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I am going based on Appearances not just names. As Zweihanders are a type of Greatsword.
Especially when a Zweihander was only 5 inches across on their Foreguard. Not the 2-3 feet that Siegfried's has.
I guess it is mostly the Width of the blades that bugs me most. I could see a long blade and long hilt. As Zweihanders and Greater Claymores were Long. Heck, some averaged around 5-6 Feet based on the Wielder. But I think the Widest Greater Claymore recorded was only 7 Inches where the blade met the crossguard and quickly tapered down to 4 inches before it went to its point over the last 6 inches of its length. And that blade was only 4 feet 9 inches with a 1.5 foot hilt.
hey if i can kill a dragon with my bare hands, i should be able to wield what ever style of sword i want, personally my greatsword is 12 feet long and shaped like a tree trunk that somehow still deals slashing damage.
in conclusion GET YOUR REALITY OUT OF MY FANTASY!!!
(not really shouting, just kidding)
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I suppose this is a bad time to mention my Crimson Throne character, who the DM foolishly allowed to have a Large Mercurial Greatsword (plus Monkey Grip and XWP: Mercurial Greatswords.)
Just for reference, this particular sword was a 12', 34# sword that did 3d6+(1.5 Str) damage, with a 20/Q critical modifier. He was literally the only person in the entire continent who could safely use it.
I literally was looking for an image to inspire some Greatsword Wielding Characters.
I found a few like this & this which are fairly realistic.
BUT!
A majority were like this, this, this, this, & this.
Can anyone give me a reason why? Is it just the Cloud and Guts wannabes? And which do you prefer your character to wield?
I guess mine is simple. I like the Realistic ones.
this is a REAL 2-handed all the rest is just for the looks and roleplay
http://videogum.com/176602/this-is-definitely-a-two-handed-great-sword/free -advertising/
@Solusek: You do realize that you can kill an elephant with a Fork if you hit it in the right locations. There are more legends of people beating the odds with Daggers than there are larger weapons. Though the most common is some form of Spear... I think it was a story from Roman Legend where a Young Celt Boy, around 6 or 7 Winters, slew a massive beast to saving a Centurion with a small knife he was given by said Centurion as a gift.
@Darkflame: Someone beat you to that. I think it was Ravingdork.
They are as good in real life as they are in Pathfinder.
But assault rifles and semi-auto pistols beat arrows and swords every time.
Just an interesting side note: Police use a "21 foot rule", which has been explained to me as meaning that a person within 21 feet of them is capable of drawing a knife and getting to them before they can reach their pistol, clear it from the holster and fire. They exercise extreme caution with any subject suspected of being armed if they must come within 21 feet, which I was also told is all too common.
Do people move slower or faster in other countries?In America perhaps.Just an interesting side note: Police use a "21 foot rule", which has been explained to me as meaning that a person within 21 feet of them is capable of drawing a knife and getting to them before they can reach their pistol, clear it from the holster and fire. They exercise extreme caution with any subject suspected of being armed if they must come within 21 feet, which I was also told is all too common.They are as good in real life as they are in Pathfinder.
But assault rifles and semi-auto pistols beat arrows and swords every time.
This made me shoot coke out of my nose in laughter. The burn, it feels so good.