I wasn't saying that BBT...I was saying that someone could use that as a "loop-hole" not that what you said above WAS a "loop-hole"...I usually have the same conclusions as you do when it comes to these things lol, I was trying to explain it differently
EDIT:I'm a little confused though on unarmed strikes...I thought only monks could use kicks and such for that? If I am (which I seem to be) rightly confused please tell me where I can find that relevant data :) I (and my GM) would love to know for sure
Unarmed Attacks: Striking for damage with punches, kicks, and head butts is much like attacking with a melee weapon, except for the following:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html#_unarmed-strike-damage
Hmm...guess it was the fact that I never read that particular entry...and since it calls out in the monks Unarmed Strike that he can "attack with his hands full", I took that to mean that not everyone could...I stand gratefully corrected :)
Unarmed Strike: At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.
Just so you know where I got that idea from lol...again thank you for pointing that entry out for me
Hmm...guess it was the fact that I never read that particular entry...and since it calls out in the monks Unarmed Strike that he can "attack with his hands full", I took that to mean that not everyone could...I stand gratefully corrected :)
Unarmed Strike: At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.Just so you know where I got that idea from lol...again thank you for pointing that entry out for me
No worries. I had to look it up myself the last time I did this debate.
Yeah, I recall reading the bit about Monk's being able to make unarmed attacks even 'with his hands full,' and it doesn't quite seem to match up with how unarmed strikes are defined. Somewhat odd.
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Unarmed Strikes?
Unarmed Attacks
Striking for damage with punches, kicks, and head butts is much like attacking with a melee weapon, except for the following:
Attacks of Opportunity: Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. The attack of opportunity comes before your attack. An unarmed attack does not provoke attacks of opportunity from other foes, nor does it provoke an attack of opportunity from an unarmed foe.
An unarmed character can't take attacks of opportunity (but see "Armed" Unarmed Attacks, below).
"Armed" Unarmed Attacks: Sometimes a character's or creature's unarmed attack counts as an armed attack. A monk, a character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, a spellcaster delivering a touch attack spell, and a creature with natural physical weapons all count as being armed (see natural attacks).
Note that being armed counts for both offense and defense (the character can make attacks of opportunity).
Unarmed Strike Damage: An unarmed strike from a Medium character deals 1d3 points of bludgeoning damage (plus your Strength modifier, as normal). A Small character's unarmed strike deals 1d2 points of bludgeoning damage, while a Large character's unarmed strike deals 1d4 points of bludgeoning damage. All damage from unarmed strikes is nonlethal damage. Unarmed strikes count as shed light (for purposes of two-weapon attack penalties and so on).
Dealing Lethal Damage: You can specify that your unarmed strike will deal lethal damage before you make your attack roll, but you take a –4 penalty on your attack roll. If you have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, you can deal lethal damage with an unarmed strike without taking a penalty on the attack roll.
@BBT...thats what I was talking about...I had never actually read anything about "unarmed strikes" beyond a monk...never had another character that needed to use it so that was the "entry" I was talking about that I had not read lol