Two-weapon fighting --> light weapons and som other stuff


Rules Questions


when you have the feat two-weapon fighting and use a light weapon in your off hand the penalties are -2/-2. But what happens if you use light weapons in both hands? is the penalty still -2/-2? iam lost on this one..
Iam thinking of a fighter with two kukri`s...

Iam also woundering if i should build him up as a two-weapon wilding bastard sword figheter. I understand it would give me a -4/-4 --> -6/-6 becouse of power attack. If i got a smal sized bastersword, would it count as a light weapon, thus giving me a -2/-2 and d10 and d8?

Thanks sir`s iam lost..

Grand Lodge

The size of the weapon in your main hand is meaningless.

Same penalties.

The only thing that matters, is the off-hand.


thanks..
But is it any way to improve the to hit? have -2/2 and -2 from power attack
I have waepon focus, weapon training and strengt "bounus"
a 5th level fighter.. Anything more you can think of?
Tanks :)

Grand Lodge

There is the Two-weapon Fighter archetype, that eventually off-sets the penalty entirely.


we dont use that book, first time in many years for the GM. Only players handbook

Liberty's Edge

If you are only using the Core rulebook, that's the best you can do:
-2/-2 from TWF (light secondary/off-hand weapon)
-2 from Power Attack (BAB 5)


The only tangible benefit that wielding two light weapons gives is that you can lead off with either one and still attack at -2/-2. If you had, say, a longsword in one hand and a dagger in the other, you could lead off with the sword at -2/-2, but if (for whatever reason) you needed to lead off with the dagger as the main-hand attack and still wanted your off-hand with the sword, it'd be at -4/-4.


loooks like iam "stuck" with a -4/-4, if i include the power attack..
You guys got any thoughts on how i can get my -4/-4(-6/-6 Pa) down?
Is it possibel to buy a smal sized basterd sword and use it as a light weapon?

Thanks

Grand Lodge

Are you using two Bastard Swords?

What is your class?

What are your feats?


A small bastard sword would be a light weapon with a d8 damage die.

But there is a -2 penalty for using an inappropiatly sized weapon. So this change would still brings you right back to the -4/-4

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The benefit of using two light weapons is wielding two of the same weapon and getting Weapon Focus. Otherwise, you'd have to get Weapon Focus for each weapon.


Weapon Focus, Weapons Specialization, Weapon Training - all reasons for a Fighter to use the same light weapon in each hand.

Kukri have the best crit range for light weapons. Daggers can be thrown and work with the River Rat trait. I think those are 2 good choices for TWF.


There's no reason to use a small bastard sword instead of a longsword. But you could use a bastard sword one handed with the exotic weapon proficiency feat and still only have -2/-2 because it's the type of weapon in the off hand that matters.

The benefit of using one kind of weapon in both hands is that any feats that apply to one would apply to the other.


Nevan Oaks wrote:

A small bastard sword would be a light weapon with a d8 damage die.

But there is a -2 penalty for using an inappropiatly sized weapon. So this change would still brings you right back to the -4/-4

If his main-hand bastard sword is properly sized, it's actually -2/-4, so it's slightly better than wielding two one-handers.

Still, for TWF, I would go with two light weapons to avoid the penalties, and then go with Piranha Strike.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Are you using two Bastard Swords?

What is your class?

What are your feats?

Well, iam starting a character at 5th level. So iam not sure what iam gonna do. Its stand between a fighter that goes for two basterd swords, if i can get low enough penelties or a fighter with two kukri`s.

At the moment the Basterd has a -2/-4 penalty crit range 19-20 and the kukri`s -2/-2 and crit range 18-20.
As a Human i get feats i think and the 5 no matter what feats are:
Two-weapon fighting, power attack, double slice weapon focus ..., weapon spesi.. The last two feats iam not so sure about.. If i go for basterd swords i have to take excotic weapon porf.. if im not wrong.. if i go for kukri`s i think i might go for point blank and rapid shot to have som range options.. I dont see any feats in the player that will give me more to hit or damage, so i think thoes two are a nice option.
As you understan i can only choose from the player handbook.

Hope you guys understand this nonsens, a long time since i have written english..

Thanks


+2 to one attack and a larger crit range will be significantly better. And it free's up a feat. A feat that you are later going to want for Improved Critical. (getting lots and lots of crits is one of the prime reasons to go TWF)


LovesTha wrote:
+2 to one attack and a larger crit range will be significantly better. And it free's up a feat. A feat that you are later going to want for Improved Critical. (getting lots and lots of crits is one of the prime reasons to go TWF)

Iam think that too, but not entirely sure..

Grand Lodge

Dual Kukris will be a stronger option.


-2/-2 is the best you'll get and soon enough the damage dice difference between kukri and bastard sword will be negligible.

Might try Step Up and/or Two-Weapon defense for your last two feats.


dual wield sawtooth sabres. The are both one hand weapons, but if you are blowing a feat for bastard sword, blow it on sawtooth sabre EWP instead, the bonus is you can use both weapons and only get the -2/-2 because they are treated as light for the purposes of TWF.

Grand Lodge

He has access to the Core Rulebook only.

This is why I suggest Kukris.


If you are really set on the idea of the dual bastard swords, consider playing a dwarf and dual wielding dwarven waraxes and you won't need to use a feat for proficiency.


To answer your actual question about the bastard swords (and not give you alternate weapons or whatever else) and based on the fact you don't have any other books...If you want to TWF using a bastard sword in both you MH and OH then you're just going to have to deal with having big negatives to hit my friend

Its cheesy in the first place to TWF using a bastard sword in both hands (but I love cheese in RPG's so go for it) but other than taking feats like weapon focus you're stuck with just having a hard time hitting someone but when you DO hit I could see it hurting them badly lol

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