Extra rage feat might be an early choice since you are going to have the same number of rage rounds as a level 1 barbarian until level 6. Otherwise, it seems alright enough. You also have the advantage of ignoring DR using only a swift action (plus an extra +2 to hit). I do believe that this could be done during rage since it is Wisdom based, so no problems.
The only problem I could ever see coming from this is that you are still a bit of a MAD character, since you would want Wisdom for exploit weakness, Constitution to keep up your rage rounds since you are not getting as many as a pure barbarian, Strength...because you hit things. And you would still want some dex to make up your loss of AC.
I was curious though: could a martial artist 5/ barbarian 10 pounce and do flurry at the same time? That would be scary. Temple swords will be your friend since they are monk weapons that can be wielded two-handed. That could take full advantage of STR, rage, and maybe power attack.
I see one possible conflict in this combo. Monks must be lawful. Barbarians must be Chaotic.Martial Artists can be any alignment.Well played sir.
note to self: change alignment of gnome martial artists/synthesis
Furthermore:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/race-traits/enlightened-warrior-aasimar--idy llkin
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Hey guys,
So I was curious on your feedback here for this class combo. I typically will play a caster of some sort for my games, but this time around I want to try a unique type of brawler character.
First I made him a Half-Elf so he can choose both of these classes as his favored class. Then I took the stock Barbarian at level one. I didn't use anything from Ultimate Combat yet. Now at 2nd level I made him a Monk(Martial Artist), so he can be any alignement and then at 5th level he gains the ability to no longer be fatigued. So my thought with this later is that he can rage, use flurry, and not be fatigued afterwards. From what I understand of the rules I can use these abilities this way. What are your opinions on feats I should take, or skills to focus on. Or even prestige classes?
I did a barbarian/monk build using the Martial Artist, but I actually went with the Urban Barbarian archetype for the barbarian levels. Once I was able to buy an Agile Amulet of Mighty Fists, I could pump all of my Rage stat bonus into Dex and have it boost my attack, damage, Reflex save, AC, and skills. I was a little low damage for the first couple levels (though I could still assign my Rage bonus to STR when I needed to), but by the time I was around level 8 or so I was dealing very competitive amounts of damage, had one of the top AC's in the party, and could Rage cycle all day long (or at least until I ran out of rounds of Rage).
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So wait at the start you go lawful to get your monk levels for a multi-class build
Then what does your PC like punch a baby in the face or shave off the party wizard's eyebrows or just like suddenly yell out "WOOOO SPRING BREAK" to change your alignment so that you can now go barbarian at a certain level?
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Because the roleplaying attempts to justify this combination of two antithetical classes tend to stink to high heavenMost Monk/Barbarian builds are not very powerful in comparison to other damage builds.
Why is there a hate against the combination?
That sir, is your opinion.
Likely tainted by bad experiences.
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So wait at the start you go lawful to get your monk levels for a multi-class buildThen what does your PC like punch a baby in the face or shave off the party wizard's eyebrows or just like suddenly yell out "WOOOO SPRING BREAK" to change your alignment so that you can now go barbarian at a certain level?
No. You take the appropriate Archetypes or traits to combine the two.
No need to change alignment.
So wait at the start you go lawful to get your monk levels for a multi-class buildThen what does your PC like punch a baby in the face or shave off the party wizard's eyebrows or just like suddenly yell out "WOOOO SPRING BREAK" to change your alignment so that you can now go barbarian at a certain level?
No. You take the appropriate Archetypes or traits to combine the two.
No need to change alignment.
I understand Martial Artist or the Aasimar thing. But my post was more for:
Monk alignment restriction only applies to gaining levels as a Monk. If you gain your monk levels first, you can swap to a non-lawful alignment and then take your levels in Barbarian while keeping all Monk abilities.
I think I am keeping the Spring Break concept in my back pocket if I ever need to shift a monk PC's alignment
He starts out lawful when he gets there and after like a week of doing body shots off of a cleric of Calistria and waking up without his pantaloons a few times he's sold on becoming a barbarian
Man where in Golarion would Spring Break even happen
i made a barbarian/martial artist not long ago- she was part of a tribe that revered dragons as their collective totem and had a traditional fighting style, modeled after them (the dragon style tree), which some warriors were trained in every generation. at 11th level her AC and attack bonus were behind the fighter, but her Hp was competitive and she punched for like 3d6+24 (i think); most importantly, she was a lot of fun to play.
for whatever its worth- for feats i took dodge and toughness for survivability, dragon style and ferocity (for story, and also extra damage), and things to improve unarmed strikes (wpn focus/specialization, improved natural attack- though, i guess there's some debate about whether monk's should be allowed to do that...).
I don't need to be lawful for this build. He is CG to start, and can continue to gain monk levels as a martial artist because he gives up certain abilities for others. I agree that changing an alignment just so you can multiclass is a little ridiculous, hence why I'm not doing it.
I had a foppish bard who lost his older brother (paladin) in a siege of their home town. His father blamed him for being a wastrel and expressed that the wrong son died... Out of guilt my PC changed his alignment and took his vows as a paladin. I (as the player ) had no intention of multiclassing till my DM threw that plot hook in. Bear in mind that this was 3.5, but ever since then I have been obsessed with bardadins. No cheese intended at all.
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I don't need to be lawful for this build. He is CG to start, and can continue to gain monk levels as a martial artist because he gives up certain abilities for others. I agree that changing an alignment just so you can multiclass is a little ridiculous, hence why I'm not doing it.I had a foppish bard who lost his older brother (paladin) in a siege of their home town. His father blamed him for being a wastrel and expressed that the wrong son died... Out of guilt my PC changed his alignment and took his vows as a paladin. I (as the player ) had no intention of multiclassing till my DM threw that plot hook in. Bear in mind that this was 3.5, but ever since then I have been obsessed with bardadins. No cheese intended at all.
Pathfinder removed the alignment restrictions from bards though, so you can actually have a bardadin without any alignment shenanigans.
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Because the roleplaying attempts to justify this combination of two antithetical classes tend to stink to high heavenMost Monk/Barbarian builds are not very powerful in comparison to other damage builds.
Why is there a hate against the combination?
Sagacious Lu comes to mind, but then that's just 14th century fiction. Probably not appropriate for a 21st century roleplaying game.
What is wrong about an Urban Barbarian/Martial Artist? Why would a tribesman who got raised in the city be unable to become a Martial Artist? I don't see any flavor problems here.
What about mixing Tetori with Barbarian? Could one manage to make a Body bludgeon Build this way?