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Exactly what it says on the tin: If somehow Paizo got the rights to use the WotC owned D&D races, such as Dragonborn, Warforged, Thri-Keen, Giff, Hadozee, Wilden/Killoren, Shifters, ect., where would you think they'd best fit in Golarion?
Of particular note is the Shardmind, one of the few truly new races in 4e, which I think would actually fit better in the partially-sci-fi setting of Golarion rather than the default Points of Light 4e setting.
They're basically the now-living conglomerations of psychic shards of a gate meant to keep The Far Realm (What Paizo based The Dark Tapestry off of basically) out, sabotaged by an unknown god (Likely Tharazidun, who made the Abyss and went crazy shortly thereafter), and now trying to find their purpose/reform the original gate. So, much more Sci-fi than fantasy, thus more at home in Golarion (Especially in Numeria, where they'd be right at home). But what do you think?
Shardminds backstory would have to be reworked - in WotC D&Dverse Far Realm is another plane. In Pathfinder's Golarionverse the closest equivalent is depths of cosmic space of the Material Plane itself - there is hardly place for the gate as was described. Also, I don't recall association of psionics with lovercraftian nightmares.
I would see a few places for shardminds in Golarionverse: a race dedicated to warding off lovercraftian aberrations coming from the depths of space, denizens of one of the worlds in Golarion's planetary system, possible the destroyed Disapora.
Warforged could be originally a creation of ancient Jistka, who were renowned artificers and golemologists. Another option, would be making them artificial denizens of one of the Golarion system planets with more advanced technology. Or they could be skipped as there is already equivalent in the form of Numerian androids.
Hadozee would be probably subspecies of Vanara that spread through the portals over all the nearby planets.
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One idea for the Warforged was to rename them as Runeforged and have them be relics of ancient Thassilion.
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Replacing the Pactmasters of Katapesh with robed Thri-Kreen could be a funky changeup. They'd exist in the wilds of Katapesh (and as far north as Osirion, Thuvua and Rahadoum and as far south as off the map), but the only city-dwelling Kreen known would be the coldly dispassionate Pactmasters. (They might have a city or even an entire nation of such, to the distant south, but that would be a legend to the folk of the Inner Sea and northern Garund.)
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Exactly what it says on the tin: If somehow Paizo got the rights to use the WotC owned D&D races, such as Dragonborn, Warforged, Thri-Keen, Giff, Hadozee, Wilden/Killoren, Shifters, ect., where would you think they'd best fit in Golarion?
Of particular note is the Shardmind, one of the few truly new races in 4e, which I think would actually fit better in the partially-sci-fi setting of Golarion rather than the default Points of Light 4e setting.
They're basically the now-living conglomerations of psychic shards of a gate meant to keep The Far Realm (What Paizo based The Dark Tapestry off of basically) out, sabotaged by an unknown god (Likely Tharazidun, who made the Abyss and went crazy shortly thereafter), and now trying to find their purpose/reform the original gate. So, much more Sci-fi than fantasy, thus more at home in Golarion (Especially in Numeria, where they'd be right at home). But what do you think?
Bearing in mind I am less familiar with 4E than most folks here, my guess would be:
Dragonborn: Shock troops used by both sides in the war between dragons on Triaxus
Warforged: I rather like the idea of changing them to rune-forged, and moving their creation to Azlant or ancient Thassilon. If you want a modern day origin, I think Nex is a good place to for them to be from. Honestly it's kind of hard to easily fit them in the current Inner Sea region, and their flavor doesn't work well for the Distant Worlds
Giff: UH...into the heart of a blackhole? Joking aside, if retooled to make them less 19th century big game hunters into something with a lesser degree of tech, I would put them as a barbarian race in Southern Garund. As is I don't think they work all that well in any official Pathfinder setting.
Thri-Keen: Castrovel would be a good fit since it has both bug races (Formians) as well as psionics. Alternatively they would fit well on Nchak, which is dominated by insectoid life.
Hadozee: This might be crazy, but what about Verces? Having them be uplifted alien apes that were used in the original testing and development of Vercite space technology just feels right, and is a nice nod to many science fiction stories
Wilden/Killoren: Any place with a strong First World connection, as well as the First World itself.
Shifters: Lycanthropy works a bit different in pathfinder, and I am not sure "diluted" blood lycanthropes exist. I might instead suggest going a more doctor Moreau route, with Shifters representing humans that have been given some form of bestial trait. No idea where they might best fit in.
Shardminds: Change Far Realms to the deeper parts of the Abyss, and have them be associated with high areas of Qlippoth activity.
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Replacing the Pactmasters of Katapesh with robed Thri-Kreen could be a funky changeup. They'd exist in the wilds of Katapesh (and as far north as Osirion, Thuvua and Rahadoum and as far south as off the map), but the only city-dwelling Kreen known would be the coldly dispassionate Pactmasters. (They might have a city or even an entire nation of such, to the distant south, but that would be a legend to the folk of the Inner Sea and northern Garund.)
And the Pactmasters and other city-dwelling kreen would insist on being called tohr-kreen.
Would those thri-kreen Pactmasters also be from Akitron originally? (Like the current Witchwyrd ones.)
instead of adding conversions. i will post a series of things that become expected when you use WotC psionics races.
when you use psionic races, or even a single NPC of any psionic class. you are basically sending a few key signals to your players. those signals are that you are open to having Psionic PCs, and that you may possibly have a fondness for either Science Fiction, Oriental Mysticism, or both.
I'd like to imagine that the Eladrin were all grinded up into food paste by drow. I'd like to imagine that a lot...
Eladrin could be the original Sovyrian elven stock that never came to Golarion until now.
Whom did we missed from 4th edition? (italicized races are those who aren't already part of Pathfinder).
PHBI: Dragonborn, Dwarves, Elves, Eladrin, Halfling, Half-elf, Tieflings,
PHBII: Deva (Samsarans in Pathfinder), Gnome, Goliath, Half-orc, Shifter
PHBIII: Githzerai, Minotaur, Shardmind, Wilden
So we are left with Goliaths and Gith from 4th edition PHB races.
I admit that I would gladly see 0 HD PC variants of Satyr and Pixie like they were done in Heroes Of The Feywild and possibly Minotaur (as it would make them playable in Dragonlance or anything related). Oh, hello Advanced Race Guide race building rules...
Goliaths? lands of the linnorm kings, good buddies with the Ulfen. both like drinking hard liquor and engaging in athletic contests.
Gith? you need mind flayers for capturing true gith, because the gith flavor is so influenced by their forced servitude to the mind flayer that they are essentially two halves of a whole.
Eladrin? elves with the advanced creature template to represent their connection to the first world is fine.
Dragonborn? should be fairly easy to create a 15RP partially draconic race using the race builder. they could fit both in Tian Xia and the lands of the linnorm kings.
Shifter? anywhere beasts exist, as well as lands of the linnorm kings (accepted and welcome) and varisia (misunderstood and distrusted)
i would like to see a 0HD PC variant of the Nymph, Pixie, Nixie, Yuki Onna, Succubus/Incubus, Nekomata, Lycanthrope, and Dragonborn.
I'd be tempted to put Goliath in the mountains of Casmaron. Especially as Casmaron seems to be the "Arabic/Middle East" continent, and the name Goliath comes from Judeo-Christian stories.
I'd be tempted to put Goliath in the mountains of Casmaron. Especially as Casmaron seems to be the "Arabic/Middle East" continent, and the name Goliath comes from Judeo-Christian stories.
true. but maybe, they were exiled from Casmaron and found a new home in the lands of the linnorm kings, where they were accepted. but i guess it's up to the DM in question,
And I would see goliaths in mountains of Varisia being a human-giant crossbreeding experiment commited by Runelords. Or maybe they could ventured east from Varisia during the Age Of Darkness and spread to northern Casmaron?
I have warforged in my Golarion - they're essentially rogue Numerian gearsmen.
Goliaths exist in Varisia (as kind of "half giants").
Dragonborn are a nationless race, although there's some not-yet-clarified connection to the old serpentfolk empires.
In the stew pot.
*smacks lips as the stew simmers....*
Taasty... ;)
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I'd like to imagine that the Eladrin were all grinded up into food paste by drow. I'd like to imagine that a lot...
While I'm more into the freakier races, I actually like the Eladrin mainly because of how they brought the Feywild front and center due to their inclusion in core.
Also, as to where they'd fit in Golarion, would there be any possible justification for somebody to hybridize gnomes and elves?
I'd like to imagine that the Eladrin were all grinded up into food paste by drow. I'd like to imagine that a lot...While I'm more into the freakier races, I actually like the Eladrin mainly because of how they brought the Feywild front and center due to their inclusion in core.
Also, as to where they'd fit in Golarion, would there be any possible justification for somebody to hybridize gnomes and elves?
I love half orcs and when I saw that they weren't in the PHB 1 and instead, we got teleporting fey-elves, I was more than a little disappointed.
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I like the look of Devas. I'd probably have them as a variant of Samsarans originating from Vudra and embedding Vudran culture into their flavor.
Illumians would fit perfectly into Nex as a variant of humanity splintered off either by Nex's experiments or simply exposure to that high-magic environment. There might be some element of intentional genetic/magical engineering involved there.
Uldra could work as gnome-kin in northern regions.
Thri-kreen could work in any number of places, but Southern Garund is particularly standing out right now. Then again, there's stretches of Casmaron that could make them feel right at home too. If the place weren't so small and already crowded with Crazy Awesome, I'd put some on Mediogalti island as well.
Diablorai? Dimension of Dream for sure.
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I love half orcs and when I saw that they weren't in the PHB 1 and instead, we got teleporting fey-elves, I was more than a little disappointed.I'd like to imagine that the Eladrin were all grinded up into food paste by drow. I'd like to imagine that a lot...While I'm more into the freakier races, I actually like the Eladrin mainly because of how they brought the Feywild front and center due to their inclusion in core.
Also, as to where they'd fit in Golarion, would there be any possible justification for somebody to hybridize gnomes and elves?
I know that feel bro. I felt the same way when 4e Ravenloft was cancelled for that stupid Neverwinter book. And when 4e ended without them bringing back Spelljammer.
Hush, hush, in this thread we only speak of D&D 4th edition as a source of races to implement.
Another thought about Eladrin. Maybe they are the First World's template for elves (would this make gnomes a template for halflings? who knows).
Hush, hush, in this thread we only speak of D&D 4th edition only as a source of races to implement.
Bah, that's not what the thread title says =P Only mentions "WOTC Races", no edition specified. Thus 3E stuff is fully fair game =D Which is a good thing. I still use most of 3.5's races in my homebrew, myself.
My recommendation for Gith and Mind Flayers in Golarion would be to have them sailing the gulfs of space rather than the astral. Make them the main threat for interplanetary travel - Githyanki pirates hijacking travelers, Illithid slave-taker ships capturing smaller vessels and their crews, the occasional floating Githzerai monastery on a comet or asteroid or secluded moon. And of course the threat of getting involved in a massive space battle whenever two of the three factions collide.
Given the Illumians have a big grudge against the Flayers as well, due to the ransacking of their libraries and cities, perhaps they had colonies in space? Or perhaps the Illithid thought they were poking into things they shouldn't and momentarily came down to Golarion to smack them down. Would make sense then, if we flavored them as some kind of Nexian superhumans, that their drive for revenge against the Illithid led to researching space travel and pursuing them into the Black.
(Also yay for someone else mentioning Illumians and Uldra =D)
Hush, hush, in this thread we only speak of D&D 4th edition only as a source of races to implement.Bah, that's not what the thread title says =P Only mentions "WOTC Races", no edition specified. Thus 3E stuff is fully fair game =D Which is a good thing. I still use most of 3.5's races in my homebrew, myself.
I didn't mean that we only speak about 4th edition races, but that we only refer to 4th edition in context of new races.
... I don't understand the difference.
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Meaning leave out edition war stuff.
The illumians would also work well as surviving Azlanti, maybe descended from wizards who were able to protect their university from Earthfall.
Mind Flayers could be a major component of the Dominion of the Black. Maybe Gith are descended from some other race that got screwed over by the Dominion, and now fight a guerrilla war against them, trying to damage there schemes.
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The illumians would also work well as surviving Azlanti, maybe descended from wizards who were able to protect their university from Earthfall.
Mind Flayers could be a major component of the Dominion of the Black. Maybe Gith are descended from some other race that got screwed over by the Dominion, and now fight a guerrilla war against them, trying to damage there schemes.
What about changelings or, I don't know, gripli?
Already got grippli in Bestiary 3. Figure they're in Garund or Arcadia.
I would place gripplis in Garund and jungles of southern Casmaron. There are jungles in southern Casmaron, right?
Just remember that while 3.5/4e had changelings, Pathfinder has a "race" which shares the same name but is entirely different (as far as I know). PF changelings hearken back to their fairy-tale roots; they are the female off-spring of hags and humans, and can look forward to a transformation into a hag unless they are very lucky ...
The 3.5e Changeling would fit better with a name like "Morphling" as they are Half-Doppelgangers.
I prefer Pathfinder Changelings personally, since I live close to nations with such myths in their history.
I like both kinds of changeling as completely unrelated ideas for races. The sole problem is that WotC decided their doppelganger-descendants changelings without regard to the meaning of that word. Morphling sounds good (wasn't it my idea in rename Eberron changlings thread?).