As many of you are doubtlessly already aware, we're going to be releasing this big fancy book called Mythic Adventures in the near future, and as you've probably guessed or heard through the grapevine, we're also planning on releasing some other books to help integrate mythic rules into Golarion and the Pathfinder campaign setting.
In preparation of this momentous event, I have made this thread to ask you but one question: What mythic aspects of Golarion would you most like to see? What mythic beasts would you like to see statted up? What mythic locations would you like to see detailed further? Golarion is rife with such legends and mythic potential, and I'd like to use this discussion as a means of generating some ideas for Golarion-specific material that would benefit from the mythic treatment.
Examples of things I'm talking about might include the Starstone Cathedral, Tar-Baphon, Old-Mage Jatembe and his Ten Magic Warriors, the Eldest in the First World, and so forth.
But enough from me! What about you? What's something in Golarion that just screams "Mythic!" to you?
Stats, fluff, and plot hooks/implications for Tar-Baphon. That alone would sell me on the hardcover and setting books.
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the Starstone Cathedral, Tar-Baphon, Old-Mage Jatembe and his Ten Magic Warriors, the Eldest in the First World
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Mythic aboleths! They pulled a rock to the planet; killing millions of creatures for billions of XPs!
Azlant could have some nice Mythic content sealed away or buried under the ocean.
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Geb, Nex, and Arazni. But also, Mythic characters that aren't arcane spellcasters. It kind of seems like every potential Mythic NPC we've ever heard about are/were wizards or maybe sorcerers, so I would think there have to be Mythic warriors, divine servants, and skill monkeys out there at least at some point in time, other than ones who've ended up ascending to divinity via the Starstone, or however Irori did it.
(Artokus Kirran of Thuvia would be one likely candidate, but there have to be others.)
The Shori, Jatembe, the Eldest, Irori/Vudra, Primal Aberrations, the Bone Sages, the Contemplatives of Ashok, Mythos beings, Mythic outsiders/elementals and their interactions with the Material too numerous to mention.
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Geb, Nex, and Arazni. But also, Mythic characters that aren't arcane spellcasters. It kind of seems like every potential Mythic NPC we've ever heard about are/were wizards or maybe sorcerers, so I would think there have to be Mythic warriors, divine servants, and skill monkeys out there at least at some point in time, other than ones who've ended up ascending to divinity via the Starstone, or however Irori did it.
(Artokus Kirran of Thuvia would be one likely candidate, but there have to be others.)
Personally I strongly suspect Khiben-Sald of Vudra to have been a mythic non-spellcaster.
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Geb, Nex, and Arazni. But also, Mythic characters that aren't arcane spellcasters. It kind of seems like every potential Mythic NPC we've ever heard about are/were wizards or maybe sorcerers...
Well, some of the most dangerous conquerors on the face of Golarion were wizards: the Runelords, Tar-Baphon, Nex, Geb, and now Razmir...
Wow, wizards are jerks.
As for Mythic NPCs or foes, what about Achakek? If everyone ends up going Mythical and becoming outsiders, eventually the giant outsider praying mantis that eats other outsiders might get a whiff of them.
Also, there's still that giant robot scorpion somewhere in Numeria. Nobody's gotten around to dealing with that yet.
I would like to see a few mythic non-humans..maybe a hobgoblin, or orc, or or or a mythic kobold king...yup that would do it for me
Casmaron / Kelesh Empire.
Southern Garund... including Nex.
Ancient Garund, including Jatembe, Shory, etc...
Ancient Cyclopean Empires and remnants/aftermath.
Monsters, Demigods, Avatars, and Mortals associated with the defeat of Rovagug.
Stuff tying in the pre-Starstone Golarion Elves with other nations/powers present at that time (and possibly still present, especially if they are long lived, or undead).
Hobgoblins and Oni.
Dragons.
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More than anything, I'd like to see something discussing the nature of the pact between House Thrune and Asmodeus and its implications for Cheliax as a whole (if House Thrune is wiped out, does the pact end? Do devils invade? Are the souls of every Chelish citizen spontaneously ripped from their bodies and cast into Hell because Abrogail promised the souls of an entire nation in exchange for Asmodeus' aid?)
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Oooh boy, I'll take as much as you can give me.
Mythic Casters: Nex, Geb, Jatembe, and the Mythic spells and Feats they've used to accomplish many of their most infamous deeds (if possible).
Mythic non-casters: Sure, only a few are still alive (like Artokus), but some rules on how to emulate the deeds of long-ago heroes (such as Savith)would also be nice.
Villains: Baba-Yaga is proabably a given thanks to Reign of Winter. Tar-Baphon (as well as perhaps shedding a bit more light and detail on the lower levels of Gallowspire, the 20+ ones, would be nice). Walkena, the god-king down in Garund also really interests me, as does the dead god-queen Arazni.
Creatures: Oliphaunt of Jandelay at the very least. Are there other non-demigod monsters? If there are, a few of those would be great too.
Demigod Monsters: Who don't I want detailed would be a better question. Acheakak, and the other demigods (not sure if Gyronna, Camazotz, Besmara, or Groetus fall into the stattable category or not) would be beyond fantastic. The rest of this category almost goes without saying - Demon Lords, Archdevils, Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Kyton Demagogues, Asura Ranas, Ahriman, Qlippoth Lords, Oni Daimyo, Rakshasa Immortals, Primal Inevitables,Protean Lords, The Eldest (maybe even some Mythic Tane), Kami Lords, and Empyreal Lords.
There, did I miss anything?
EDIT: Yes, I did miss something: Great Old Ones and other Mythic mysteries of the Dark Tapestry would be much appreciated.
EDIT 2: Also, I didn't bother mentioning the Runelords as I figure you guys have plans for them and they'll come out when they're ready in due time.
EDIT 3: Sigh. Agreeing with those above on the Test of the Starstone. I would also like to add to my list of Demigod Monsters - Elder Titans and Heckatochire Progenitors.
Any and all Celestials.
A fully powered and Resurrected Ydersius, God of the Serpentfolk, as well as Savith, the Azlanti Warrior who defeated him.
Everything that has been said but also:
Tegresin the Laughing Fiend (I yearn, YEARN to expand on him at some point. Pretty please)
The Peacock Spirit
Zolo of Hungry Shapes (a new protean lord mentioned in Wes's artifacts book recently)
An-Hepsu XI - the Lich Pharaoh
Jatembe - already mentioned, but he's awesome and hooked me from the first mention. And he's a good guy, which makes him even cooler!
The Dragon of Nirvana
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Stuff related to the dwarves' journey to the surface and the sky citadels. Dwarven artifacts and the stories around them.
Paizo's continual downplaying of the dwarves has been disappointing. Please provide more fluff history with this one.
Thanks.
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Geb, Nex, and Arazni. But also, Mythic characters that aren't arcane spellcasters. It kind of seems like every potential Mythic NPC we've ever heard about are/were wizards or maybe sorcerers, so I would think there have to be Mythic warriors, divine servants, and skill monkeys out there at least at some point in time, other than ones who've ended up ascending to divinity via the Starstone, or however Irori did it.
This. Golarion seems to be in danger of becoming Forgotten Realms-ized, where the only powerful NPCs worth noting are spellcasters.
Geb, Nex, and Arazni. But also, Mythic characters that aren't arcane spellcasters. It kind of seems like every potential Mythic NPC we've ever heard about are/were wizards or maybe sorcerers, so I would think there have to be Mythic warriors, divine servants, and skill monkeys out there at least at some point in time, other than ones who've ended up ascending to divinity via the Starstone, or however Irori did it.This. Golarion seems to be in danger of becoming Forgotten Realms-ized, where the only powerful NPCs worth noting are spellcasters.
Kinda the problem in settings where magic beats melee 99% of the time at high levels.
The Eldest of the first world
Kaiju
Mythic casters particularly sorcerers
Mythic non-casters such as fighters, rouges, etc.
Mythic non-humans like elves, gnomes,, gwarves, catfolk, etc.
Great Old Ones
Mythic dragons possible unique ones.
Ancient Azlant
Ancient Cyclopes/cyclopean wonders
The Starstone
Empyreal Lords
Protean Lords
Peacock Spirit
Nex/Geb
Creators of vaults of the Darklands.
A couple not mentioned above:
-The awakening of a spawn of Rovagug.
-Entities like Mhar
-A dating spot for Wendigos (I know, Wendigo don't date, they procreate)
-The Isle of Terror.
-The Gorllia King decides to start using his captured cannons.
-A high end "Ruby Phoenix" style tournament on Jalmeray, maybe a martial and mental test to beocome one of Irori's champions/proxies.
I would love to see full write ups of the stats that Saveth and the Serpent God had during their battle. This is partly because I'm planning to extend my Serpent's Skull campaign, and the stats for a fully powered version of Ydersius would be very useful.
Actually, information and statistics about some of the most powerful members of ancient azlant would be very interesting to see.
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Kinda the problem in settings where magic beats melee 99% of the time at high levels.Geb, Nex, and Arazni. But also, Mythic characters that aren't arcane spellcasters. It kind of seems like every potential Mythic NPC we've ever heard about are/were wizards or maybe sorcerers, so I would think there have to be Mythic warriors, divine servants, and skill monkeys out there at least at some point in time, other than ones who've ended up ascending to divinity via the Starstone, or however Irori did it.This. Golarion seems to be in danger of becoming Forgotten Realms-ized, where the only powerful NPCs worth noting are spellcasters.
That's not really the problem at all.
We know about the mythic spellcasters of the Inner Sea region because we actually listed them in Inner Sea Magic. Had we done (or if we ever do) a non-spellcaster version of that book we'd list a bunch of famous non-spellcasting NPCs of the Inner Sea, including mythic ones as well.
In fact, someone asked this same question a while back on the "Ask James Jacobs Anything" thread, and I thought I'd copy/paste that list here...
I haven't had a chance in print yet to nail down class levels for non-spellcaster NPCs in Golarion yet, alas, but here's my thinking based on a quick flip-through of the Inner Sea World Guide.
Some of the historical Linnorm Kings would be mythic barbarians.
Some of the more powerful giant jarls are mythic fighters or barbarians, particularly Jarl Gnargorak of the Tusk Mountains.
Lord Gyr of Absalom is a mythic rogue. (There's some weird stuff out there that suggests he's a wizard... while he does have some capacity to use magic, I'm pretty sure he's actually a rogue.)
There are several mythic fighters, monks, and rogues associated with Jalmeray.
Alkenstar was a mythic characer (probably a multiclass rogue with a few levels of wizard, but who abandoned magic for technology).
Previous gorilla kings were mythic fighters or rangers or barbarians (not the current one... he's pretty brand new and is "only" 14th level).
I'd like to think the Black Sovereign of Numeria is a mythic barbarian.
Some of the above might end up NOT being mythic when we finally get around to statting them up, just as others I've not mentioned might actually be mythic.
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Yeah, it was worth a shot. I think it would need both. So we're 50% there!Uh, Vudra?Heh... nice try!
But Vudra would require a psychic magic type book, not a mythic adventures type book.
Nah... Vudra is big and exotic and DOES have psychic stuff there... but it's not really mythic. My thinking is that if anywhere in Casmaron is mythic, it'd be Ninshabur and/or Iblydos.
I'd really rather avoid stacking too many "rules expansions" onto one region, because the more expansions you associate with a region, the more complex that region gets and the more likely it gets that you'll have GMs who lose interest in that region, either because they don't like one of the many expansions associated with that region, or because they don't have comfortable access to the rules.
Now... there are surely mythic characters in Vudra, just as there are mythic characters in the Inner Sea region. But as with the Inner Sea region... having a few mythic characters does not make the entire region mythic.
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Yeah, it was worth a shot. I think it would need both. So we're 50% there!Uh, Vudra?Heh... nice try!
But Vudra would require a psychic magic type book, not a mythic adventures type book.
Nah... Vudra is big and exotic and DOES have psychic stuff there... but it's not really mythic. My thinking is that if anywhere in Casmaron is mythic, it'd be Ninshabur and/or Iblydos.
I'd really rather avoid stacking too many "rules expansions" onto one region, because the more expansions you associate with a region, the more complex that region gets and the more likely it gets that you'll have GMs who lose interest in that region, either because they don't like one of the many expansions associated with that region, or because they don't have comfortable access to the rules.
Now... there are surely mythic characters in Vudra, just as there are mythic characters in the Inner Sea region. But as with the Inner Sea region... having a few mythic characters does not make the entire region mythic.
True...
Though presumably we are closer to the psychic rules, someday, since Mythic is a reality. Though I've always been in favour of a stripped-down, simple to use set of rules for psychic/mind-magic, so as to not invalidate all the mental magic (generally spell-like abilities) we've already seen...The Mythic rules do, however, provide an excellent way to run avatars of various deities and bodhisattvas and the like, which is a major part of South Asian fantasy. I think it gives the Vudran gods a way to be present in their milieu in a way that doesn't destroy balance.
Patrick Renie and James Jacobs,
Please review the opening post of this thread
Or even the whole thread..
Afterwards you may optionally raise one eyebrow and stare at James Sutter in a speculative manner.
Maybe it's not mythic, but it always makes me squee.
I think the underlying curse on Bastardhall is mythic. Perhaps the whole manifestation is not, but the central curse itself certainly is.
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Casmaron.
I don't really care about the Pit, but I am interested in the Padshah Empire of Kelish and the entire continent, and why can't people sail from the Inner Sea, around Casmaron to Tien instead of taking the overland route.
Of course, that's not necessarily very mythic.
Well, it might be mythic, if part of the reason is Iblydos. And the types of things that inhabit the Voyages of Sindbad - island-sized fish, rocs, and ... Sarusan.
Hey! What about Sarusan? Can we go there with mythic rules, James?
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Given my home games at the moment, I'd LOVE to see some stuff on previous Linnorm Kings or mythic threats in their modern lands. There's some really cool stuff mentioned in the Linnorm Kings book that could easily be mythic, such as the living glacier.
I'd also be interested in seeing some of the history surrounding Nidal, if there was any mythic oppressors in the region, or any of the history on the old horse lords.
Obviously there is a good chance to expand on some of the Drow families in the Darklands, as I assume some of their numbers probably end up in the mythic range. Call me a sucker, but Second Darkness was the first AP I ever GM'd all the way through, and I still count it as one of my all time favorites.
That being said... aboleths. I'm sure there's some mythic shenanigans happening around the destroy ruins of Azlant.
Arcadia and Jatembe!
Ones people have mentioned for sure and I would add
Hao Jin
The World Wound
The Eye of Abendego
Do extra planer things count as Golarion? If so I would personally love to see some more info on Heaven/Hell/The Abyss/Nirvana/Abbadon/Elysium/The Malestrom/Axis/The Elemental Planes/Boneyard etc etc etc and their resident power players, native denizens. To me nothing says mythic adventure like leaving home behind and entering the realms where your deities and demons dwell.
Also coming back to earth as it were, Arcadia would seem a place primed for mythic adventures what with the whole mysterious new world hook plus it being described as so awe inspiring and beautiful that the most powerful of the Linnorn Kings travel there to find a kind of paradise at Vallenhall.
Also maybe some tidbits on some of the toys that the Pathfinders/Clerics of Abadar etc have stashed away in their vaults that they don't want anyone else to have.
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Mythic places? Hrm...
Orv
Leng
Other levels of Gallowspire beyond the 1 mapped in Dungeons
Absalom in a more detailed book than Guide to Absalom. The "City at the Center of the World" is pretty Mythic if just simply the Myth of itself.
Aboleth-land below the seas
The area just north of Xin-Grafar, between the Furies (pretty sure the mountians' names) near TB's pit of evil-bad. Would add more spice to the otherwise mild CR of the Isle of Terror.
Mythic Foes and Allies?
The Mammoth Lords
Mythic animals / creatures like the Sandpoint Devil local to regions (yes the Sandpoint Devil isn't "Mythic" but its still a mythic creature in the region)
Some infernal dukes / demon princes (perfect for CR12-15 foes with MR's addded)
Razmir's posse of Visions, and even Razmir himself
The crazy Rovagug worshippers who routinely dump folks down the Pit of Gormuz
Everything that has been said but also:
Tegresin the Laughing Fiend (I yearn, YEARN to expand on him at some point. Pretty please)
The Peacock Spirit
Zolo of Hungry Shapes (a new protean lord mentioned in Wes's artifacts book recently)
An-Hepsu XI - the Lich Pharaoh
Jatembe - already mentioned, but he's awesome and hooked me from the first mention. And he's a good guy, which makes him even cooler!
The Dragon of Nirvana
Oooh, some more good catches. Yes, any of the Mythic Pharaohs of Osirion would be excellent. As well as any other suitably Mythic inhabitants of the Great Beyond that have yet to be mentioned in this thread.
As for more non-caster Mythics, please feel free to include anything else from the list that James Jacobs posted a few spots up. Those are all great options as well.
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Information on Azlant, both modern and today.
The Goblin hero gods
Kaiju
Mythic creatures that are not simply "mythic hydras", but rather completely new beings
Divine Avatars
Maybe a "Legends of the Inner Sea" which stats up some of the major historical figures that are less likely to be used as the centerpiece of an AP
Mythic super powerful weapons
Maybe a "Legends of the Inner Sea" which stats up some of the major historical figures that are less likely to be used as the centerpiece of an AP
That's actually a really cool idea :)