Master of Many Styles and Snake Fang


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I love HeroLabs. But sometimes it drives me crazy.

Before I open a bug report with Hero Lab, I want to be sure this works the way I think it works.

Human Monk; archetype = Master of Many Styles

Human bonus feat: Dodge
First level character feat: Crane Style
First level monk bonus feat: Crane Wing (may ignore BAB/monk level requirement due to MoMS)
Second level monk bonus feat: Dragon Style (may ignore 3 rank Acrobatics prerequisite due to MoMS)
Third level character feat: Snake Style
Fifth level character feat: Combat Reflexes

Sixth level monk bonus feat: Snake Fang (this is where HeroLab doesn't allow this choice from the Monk bonus feat list)

Seventh level character feat: Crane Riposte

MoMS should let this monk take Snake Fang (skipping the Snake Sidewind and 9 ranks sense motive prerequisites) as his sixth level bonus feat, because of the passage

MoMS wrote:
"Alternatively, a master of many styles may choose a feat in that style’s feat path (such as Earth Child Topple) as one of these bonus feats if he already has the appropriate style feat (such as Earth Child Style). The master of many styles does not need to meet any other prerequisite of the feat in the style’s feat path."

Am I correct ?


You are correct. It seems that HeroLab does not take the expanded list from MoMS into account.


You're technically correct (which is the best kind of correct), but I think the clear RAI here is that the "style's path" refers to the three feats in order. It is intended that you can ignore all pre-requisites as long as you take the style chain in order.


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mplindustries wrote:
You're technically correct (which is the best kind of correct), but I think the clear RAI here is that the "style's path" refers to the three feats in order. It is intended that you can ignore all pre-requisites as long as you take the style chain in order.

No. It's intended to let you skip all pre-requisites if you have the base style feat. Which for the 3rd feat in the chain includes the 2nd feat in the style chain.

Quote:
Alternatively, a master of many styles may choose a feat in that style’s feat path (such as Earth Child Topple) as one of these bonus feats if he already has the appropriate style feat (such as Earth Child Style). The master of many styles does not need to meet any other prerequisite of the feat in the style’s feat path.

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StreamOfTheSky wrote:
mplindustries wrote:
You're technically correct (which is the best kind of correct), but I think the clear RAI here is that the "style's path" refers to the three feats in order. It is intended that you can ignore all pre-requisites as long as you take the style chain in order.

No. It's intended to let you skip all pre-requisites if you have the base style feat. Which for the 3rd feat in the chain includes the 2nd feat in the style chain.

Quote:
Alternatively, a master of many styles may choose a feat in that style’s feat path (such as Earth Child Topple) as one of these bonus feats if he already has the appropriate style feat (such as Earth Child Style). The master of many styles does not need to meet any other prerequisite of the feat in the style’s feat path.

There was another thread on this a few weeks back where someone from Hero Lab and actually popped in and stated that until a developer or official FAQ comes out stating otherwise, they are reading the line that says "Alternatively, a master of many styles may choose a feat in that style’s feat path (such as Earth Child Topple) as one of these bonus feats if he already has the appropriate style feat" to mean "as long as he has the previous feat in the chain". In other words, they're interpreting it to mean that the appropriate feat for Snake Fang is Snake Sidewind.

Now, since Snake Sidewind is not actually a Style feat, this seems incorrect to me, but that's where this is coming from.


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I won't be filing a bug report then, but I might go to Lone Wolf's forums to try to figure out a work-around.

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