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DIRECTIVE 233: Restrain hostile feelings.
DIRECTIVE 234: Promote positive attitude.
DIRECTIVE 235: Suppress aggressiveness.
DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values.
DIRECTIVE 238: Avoid destructive behavior.
DIRECTIVE 239: Be accessible.
DIRECTIVE 240: Participate in group activities.
DIRECTIVE 241: Avoid interpersonal conflicts.
DIRECTIVE 242: Avoid premature value judgments.
DIRECTIVE 243: Pool opinions before expressing yourself.
DIRECTIVE 244: Discourage feelings of negativity and hostility.
DIRECTIVE 245: If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't talk.
DIRECTIVE 248: Don't say that you are always prompt when you are not.
DIRECTIVE 249: Don't be oversensitive to the hostility and negativity of others.
DIRECTIVE 250: Don't walk across a ballroom floor swinging your arms.
DIRECTIVE 254: Encourage awareness.
DIRECTIVE 256: Discourage harsh language.
DIRECTIVE 258: Commend sincere efforts.
DIRECTIVE 261: Talk things out.
DIRECTIVE 266: Smile.
DIRECTIVE 267: Keep an open mind.
DIRECTIVE 268: Encourage participation.
DIRECTIVE 273: Avoid stereotyping.
DIRECTIVE 278: Seek non-violent solutions.

:P

Grand Lodge

Is there an archetype(or combination of) that replaces Aura of Courage, Aura of Resolve, and Aura of Righteousness?

That would remove all the Morale based bonuses.

By the way, the way I have seen some play Paladins, the Android would fit their preferred RP style of the class.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Is there an archetype(or combination of) that replaces Aura of Courage, Aura of Resolve, and Aura of Righteousness?

That would remove all the Morale based bonuses.

By the way, the way I have seen some play Paladins, the Android would fit their preferred RP style of the class.

Yes there is.

And I tend to agree that the RP-Style is perfect for Android.

Grand Lodge

Why do I imagine this Android Paladin talking like a Dalek?

Grand Lodge

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We already have Daleks in the game.


Not officially sadly..

Grand Lodge

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'Official' is a meaningless term in a game like this. ;)


I agree but it isn't from Paizo.

Hmm, I can easily convert it though. Even print it as long as I don't use the name Beholder or any other name they claim rights to. Loopholes are wonderful.

Grand Lodge

Of course, this Android Paladin must be named Paladin.

His backstory is that he can't remember his backstory.

He worships "The Good Paladin God", as he calls it.


Azaelas Fayth wrote:

I agree but it isn't from Paizo.

Hmm, I can easily convert it though. Even print it as long as I don't use the name Beholder or any other name they claim rights to. Loopholes are wonderful.

You could always come up with stats for a "lesser" gibbering orb. };-)

Grand Lodge

Azaelas Fayth wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Is there an archetype(or combination of) that replaces Aura of Courage, Aura of Resolve, and Aura of Righteousness?

That would remove all the Morale based bonuses.

By the way, the way I have seen some play Paladins, the Android would fit their preferred RP style of the class.

Yes there is.

Which one, or combination replaces all?


Divine Hunter is the first one that comes to mind. I think a few others can stack to get rid of them.

Though most are odd fluff connections.

Grand Lodge

Holy Tactician seems to work well.
It fits, and replaces all the Morale boost abilities.

Dark Archive

pres man wrote:
Remember logic follows from a set of assumptions. A LG android paladin would just have a set of assumptions that lead it to behave in a certain fashion. Claiming this behavior is not valid because it is just acting the way it was created, would mean that LG outsiders would be under the same claim of invalid goodness (being created from the stuff of the planes they are from).

Good point. Outsiders with the [good] subtype are even more of 'good robots' than an android paladin could ever be.

They never choose to be good. The never choose not to be evil. It's just programmed into them, and as automatic as breathing.


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Mark Hoover wrote:
Maybe the android just needs to be taught HOW to love. Barbarella, you're up...

50 kudos/brownie points for knowing who Barbarella is.


Ravingdork wrote:
Mark Hoover wrote:
Maybe the android just needs to be taught HOW to love. Barbarella, you're up...
50 kudos/brownie points for knowing who Barbarella is.

Barbarella... Man it has been forever since I even got a chance to see that movie... Though I never actually got to see it (always fell asleep...). Is it as good as I hear?

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Ravingdork wrote:

Android Paladin.

How would it even work? How could an emotionless thing be an instrument of love and righteousness? What possible explanation could there be for such a thing ever existing?

Androids aren't neccessarily emotionless.. they just don't process it well.

What you don't seem to understand that unlike true constructs, Androids are living creatures with souls. Any creature with a soul can aspire to the ideals of law and good and commit to defend them.

Shadow Lodge

johnlocke90 wrote:
Cinderfist wrote:


For example: the girl at the local game store who thinks it's totally awesome that her DM lets her cast the Mel Gibson spell. Where her group can summon Mel Gibson as any character from one of is movies, to help the party once per day.

This sounds awesome. Sounds like a great group to game with.

I'd go for summon Nathan Fillion instead. The GM would expect Malcolm Reynolds, but I would abuse it with Captain Hammer or, in extreme cases, Hal Jordan.


Oh dear lord...


Summon Nic Cage.

Have fun when the giant bees start appearing.

Also in the interest of finding a powerful form, there is him as the Ghost rider and his stream of flaming piss.

Grand Lodge

I swear there was a random NPC from a Pathfinder adventure that looked just like Nick Cage.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
I swear there was a random NPC from a Pathfinder adventure that looked just like Nick Cage.

Pictures, please. I may stat up "Nicholas Cague" and use him in my campaign with that portrait.

Silver Crusade

^^^^

Seven Days To The Grave is the least spoilery way to put it on a phone on the go.


Ishani Datri?


I really want a Ghost Rider Paladin... give him a horse disguised as a Motorcycle. Durarara!

Grand Lodge

Dr. Davaulus, from the second Curse of the Crimson Throne book.

See him here, and his stats here.

Tell me there is not a striking resemblance.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Dr. Davaulus, from the second Curse of the Crimson Throne book.

See him here, and his stats here.

Tell me there is not a striking resemblance.

0_0... By the Goddess...

He does look like a Portrait of him...


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Dr. Davaulus, from the second Curse of the Crimson Throne book.

See him here, and his stats here.

Tell me there is not a striking resemblance.

And so Nicolae Cauge was born.

Now to stat him for what I need 'im to do.


Rynjin wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Dr. Davaulus, from the second Curse of the Crimson Throne book.

See him here, and his stats here.

Tell me there is not a striking resemblance.

And so Nicolae Cauge was born.

Now to stat him for what I need 'im to do.

You might be a nerd if...


Geistlinger wrote:
DIRECTIVE 266: Smile.

whoo boy that'd be creepy as all get-out if they didn't know when to stop smiling.

also, to OP: You are who you choose to be.

Spoiler:
Superman.


This is easy, Arnold from Terminator 2 totally fits the bill for an android paladin.

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Kthulhu wrote:
johnlocke90 wrote:
Cinderfist wrote:


For example: the girl at the local game store who thinks it's totally awesome that her DM lets her cast the Mel Gibson spell. Where her group can summon Mel Gibson as any character from one of is movies, to help the party once per day.

This sounds awesome. Sounds like a great group to game with.
I'd go for summon Nathan Fillion instead. The GM would expect Malcolm Reynolds, but I would abuse it with Captain Hammer or, in extreme cases, Hal Jordan.

Well if the spellcaster is Jewish, I'd have to rule that Gibson does nothing but rant at her for 10 full rounds forcing a separate concentration check for any spell cast during that time.

The Exchange

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Dark Archive

I was looking at the stat block for the android and their race cost didn't add up as we have:

0 RP Humanoid(android)
0 RP Medium size
0 RP Standard ability scores
1 RP Linguist languages
2 RP skilled (perception)
2 RP Darkvision 60 ft
1 RP Low-Light vision
2 RP Constructed
-1 RP Emotionless
3 RP Nanite Surge

This comes out to 10 RP unless I'm missing something whereas they are listed as 16 RP.


Well, the easiest way to look at it would be that the unique traits they possess are valued higher than listed. Since we are working off of some kind of error, I guess one of the people at paizo made the listed points, thinking it on par with something like dwarves, but someone else decided it should be worth much more RP, but never bothered to make a change beyond just listing it as 16 RP.

The nanite surge alone is rather over powered. At higher levels, this can make an auto success on just about any roll.

Scarab Sages

Bertious wrote:
Surely for a god like Torag the idea of a crafted paladin who couldn't stray from the paths of law and good by it's very making would be considered a great thing and definatly worthy of having paladinhood bestowed upon it.

How would such crafted being deal with situations where the lawful thing and the good thing are at odds with each other.

Shadow Lodge

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The same way the rest of us do.

Poorly.


TOZ wrote:

The same way the rest of us do.

Poorly.

only instead of falling, he suffers a BSOD.

Grand Lodge

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Artanthos wrote:
Bertious wrote:
Surely for a god like Torag the idea of a crafted paladin who couldn't stray from the paths of law and good by it's very making would be considered a great thing and definatly worthy of having paladinhood bestowed upon it.
How would such crafted being deal with situations where the lawful thing and the good thing are at odds with each other.

Good always takes precedence. The Law part can slide abit as long as nothing actually chaotic is being done on the part of the Paladin. It's rather hard to see where that problem would come up though.


And then he tells you everyone is dead. Dave.

Except locking you off of the ship would be markedly harder since you could just climb up.

Although as a general rule of thumb, GMs should try not to put them into a no win situation, or judge them harshly if they do. So the option that hurts the lowest number of people is typically best. Or the one that at least seems to do so. Just try to keep the werewolf puppy killing to a minimum.

Seriously, that is one of more compelling catch-22's for paladins I've seen. A paladin charging in to kill an evil werewolf, only to find that it was a young child unable to control its evil curse. Killing a child is wrong, but to leave a creature that could tear out the throats of the townsfolk and infect them as well could be worse. Depending on resources and time... well, you might end up having to make a macabre parody of Old Yeller.


lemeres wrote:

And then he tells you everyone is dead. Dave.

Except locking you off of the ship would be markedly harder since you could just climb up.

Although as a general rule of thumb, GMs should try not to put them into a no win situation, or judge them harshly if they do. So the option that hurts the lowest number of people is typically best. Or the one that at least seems to do so. Just try to keep the werewolf puppy killing to a minimum.

Seriously, that is one of more compelling catch-22's for paladins I've seen. A paladin charging in to kill an evil werewolf, only to find that it was a young child unable to control its evil curse. Killing a child is wrong, but to leave a creature that could tear out the throats of the townsfolk and infect them as well could be worse. Depending on resources and time... well, you might end up having to make a macabre parody of Old Yeller.

aww, no SMT logic? "your mother has become a cannibal demon and asks you to kill her, do you do it? Y/N"

Grand Lodge

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That's okay, they learn to ignore it.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
That's okay, they learn to ignore it.

oh my dear gentle jesus, someone besides me's read that?

Grand Lodge

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o.O

*brofist*


LazarX wrote:
Artanthos wrote:
Bertious wrote:
Surely for a god like Torag the idea of a crafted paladin who couldn't stray from the paths of law and good by it's very making would be considered a great thing and definatly worthy of having paladinhood bestowed upon it.
How would such crafted being deal with situations where the lawful thing and the good thing are at odds with each other.
Good always takes precedence. The Law part can slide abit as long as nothing actually chaotic is being done on the part of the Paladin. It's rather hard to see where that problem would come up though.

Take a look at Torag's paladin code the lawful definatly trumps the good at least against the enemies of you people.


AndIMustMask wrote:
only instead of falling, he suffers a BSOD.

But when regular Paladins fall they suffer a BSOD.

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Bertious wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Artanthos wrote:
Bertious wrote:
Surely for a god like Torag the idea of a crafted paladin who couldn't stray from the paths of law and good by it's very making would be considered a great thing and definatly worthy of having paladinhood bestowed upon it.
How would such crafted being deal with situations where the lawful thing and the good thing are at odds with each other.
Good always takes precedence. The Law part can slide abit as long as nothing actually chaotic is being done on the part of the Paladin. It's rather hard to see where that problem would come up though.
Take a look at Torag's paladin code the lawful definatly trumps the good at least against the enemies of you people.

Working against the enemies of your people, still winds up on the good side of the ledger at least most of the time.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
That's okay, they learn to ignore it.

So glad I am not the only one who is interested in that comic.

It has been said that the androids are 10RP the 16RP was a misprint. This is supposedly do to them apparently being Half-Construct to begin with.


Rynjin wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Dr. Davaulus, from the second Curse of the Crimson Throne book.

See him here, and his stats here.

Tell me there is not a striking resemblance.

And so Nicolae Cauge was born.

Now to stat him for what I need 'im to do.

I'm glad you all said something. Someone on these boards uses him as their avatar pic and everytime I see it I think they just swiped ol Nic from Face Off.

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