What do you think about removing the 'gun free zone' signs from schools?
The teachers or faculty may not actually be armed, but do potential spree killers need to know this?
I think both sides can agree that murderers in general are bad.I disagree.
Heh, too broad a brush?
What do you think about removing the 'gun free zone' signs from schools?
The teachers or faculty may not actually be armed, but do potential spree killers need to know this?
Considering that they usually shoot themselves at the end (and seem to plan for this) i don't think the possibility of them getting shot by someone else is a deterrent.
What do you think about removing the 'gun free zone' signs from schools?
The teachers or faculty may not actually be armed, but do potential spree killers need to know this?
Well, unlike other types of murders, people who go on shooting rampages rarely (never?) have any sort of expectation of surviving the event.
I don't think "hey, don't shoot up THIS school mister, our teachers shoot back!" would be an effective deterrent because of the mentality of the spree killers.That said, it couldn't hurt, and it might curb non-spree school violence.
Libertardian?
Come on, I wanna play too!
Libertardian?
Come on, I wanna play too!
The only way to win is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess?
What do you think about removing the 'gun free zone' signs from schools?
The teachers or faculty may not actually be armed, but do potential spree killers need to know this?Well, unlike other types of murders, people who go on shooting rampages rarely (never?) have any sort of expectation of surviving the event.
I don't think "hey, don't shoot up THIS school mister, our teachers shoot back!" would be an effective deterrent because of the mentality of the spree killers.That said, it couldn't hurt, and it might curb non-spree school violence.
If the intent is to have a spree, wouldn't the threat of someone there to end it prematurely make them choose a different target? Or are they beyond rational thought by the time they decide to go on one in the first place?
I actually kinda like Libertardian.
I doubt it will be a deterrent. You might remember a shooting at an army base a while back? I think the shooter was well aware that some of the folks at the army base probably had guns but for some reason this didn't deter him.What do you think about removing the 'gun free zone' signs from schools?
The teachers or faculty may not actually be armed, but do potential spree killers need to know this?
My favorite part of the link you provided is this part:
"These soldiers were not allowed to carry personal firearms on the base due to military policy."
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But back to the original question of this thread, I would have to be put in the anti-bear spray in schools camp. To me, the reasoning is that the most like rampage shooting with spray deterrent would go done like this: Shooter walks in, school official notices and releases bear spray. Everyone (shooter included) starts tearing up, choking and coughing instead of running away and/or hiding. Shooter, unable to see, starts blindly firing in student/teachers general direction. Children/teacher unable to run away.
Is pointing out the positives or negatives of a specific culture considered racism?
Or is there a different word for that?
Asking for my own benefit here.
Ascribing traits - in general, whether positive or negative - to a phenotypically or geographically distinct population of people (and then using that generalization to make judgments about individuals) is generally termed racism.
Now, mind you, racism - as with all discrimination - occasionally gets a bad rap where it shouldn't. Anthropology studies shared cultural traits all the time, and modern medicine can determine whether certain "racial" groups are predisposed towards a disease.
It's a tough issue to wrestle with but, by way of example, Mead is just in denial. He actually tried to tell us that "Asian" isn't a race, as though there is something else that is. I'd love to have him tell us that "South Korean" is a race.
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There is a difference between disagreement and bat-s%*% crazy.
When you have people advocating the death penalty for pretty much any firearm infractions, that is well into the latter.
As a beat cop I would expect you notice how often the mental health thing is officially diagnosed syndroms and disorders. I would expect a lot of the stuff you see to be smaller things like depression, or a skewed world view. Would I be correct in this?
In short no. I deal with a lot of ex-military suffering from PTSD. More often they are involved in custody battles for their kids fueling their anger that makes the likelihood of an incident escalating out of control that much more real. Assuming that I mostly encounter smaller things like depression or a skewed world view minimizes the impact that mental health has had in violence. Although yes I notice a lot of officially diagnosed syndromes but that certainly doesn't minimize its involvement.
As a beat cop I would expect you notice how often the mental health thing is officially diagnosed syndroms and disorders. I would expect a lot of the stuff you see to be smaller things like depression, or a skewed world view. Would I be correct in this?In short no. I deal with a lot of ex-military suffering from PTSD. More often they are involved in custody battles for their kids fueling their anger that makes the likelihood of an incident escalating out of control that much more real. Assuming that I mostly encounter smaller things like depression or a skewed world view minimizes the impact that mental health has had in violence. Although yes I notice a lot of officially diagnosed syndromes but that certainly doesn't minimize its involvement.
This is reassuring. In the last thread we had a couple of individuals asserting that mental health played no role in incidence of violence.
This is reassuring. In the last thread we had a couple of individuals asserting that mental health played no role in incidence of violence.
It's very real and makes up a portion of calls for service. It's a small percentage mind you but I have actually gone to calls where firearms were involved only because the subject of complaint 'was off his meds'. This is a person you cannot simply reason with and it's rare that verbal intervention will work in these cases.
Back to the original point though, arming teachers with bear spray would cause more problems than solve them. If I respond to a gun call, I don't go for my pepper spray.
Back to the original point though, arming teachers with bear spray would cause more problems than solve them. If I respond to a gun call, I don't go for my pepper spray.
Personally, I'd shorten that to "arming teachers would cause more problems..."
Personally, I'd shorten that to "arming teachers would cause more problems..."
Agreed. I was just addressing the topic at hand.
What do you think about removing the 'gun free zone' signs from schools?
The teachers or faculty may not actually be armed, but do potential spree killers need to know this?
If we're really talking about this, I'd feel better about removing windows from the doors, so that you can't break a window, reach inside, and open a locked door, as happened at Sandy Hook. I'm certainly not anti-fire drill, but maybe things have gotten to the point where the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire shouldn't be the single most important event when we consider the design of public buildings. (Just to be clear, I like fire safety.)
As for arming teachers with anything, an arms race is usually less effective than prevention.
Libertardian?
Come on, I wanna play too!
The only way to win is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess?
Where you sacrifice "pawns" to protect your king?
More plutocratic crap.
Vive le Galt!
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Libertardian?
Come on, I wanna play too!
The only way to win is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess?
Where you sacrifice "pawns" to protect your king?
More plutocratic crap.
Vive le Galt!
One time I was watching m'lord and m'lady Dice play chess, and I said "If there are so many pawns, how did the king get to be the most powerful piece?"
M'lord Dice laughed and laughed, until m'lady Dice pointed out that the Queen was the most powerful piece. She started to explain what happens when a pawn reaches the opposite side of the board, but m'lord Dice sent me to get more crackers right then.
I never did get an answer to my question. :(
What do you think about removing the 'gun free zone' signs from schools?
The teachers or faculty may not actually be armed, but do potential spree killers need to know this?If we're really talking about this, I'd feel better about removing windows from the doors, so that you can't break a window, reach inside, and open a locked door, as happened at Sandy Hook. I'm certainly not anti-fire drill, but maybe things have gotten to the point where the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire shouldn't be the single most important event when we consider the design of public buildings. (Just to be clear, I like fire safety.)
As for arming teachers with anything, an arms race is usually less effective than prevention.
I think we have to realize that gun control isn't the end all solution, rather it's like those breakfast cereals telling you that it's part of a healthy breakfast, if you eat the coco puffs by themselves you're not eating a healthy breakfast. Gun control by it self won't be as effective if we ignore all the other factors that went into this crime. Unlike coco puffs I'm thinking that gun control is a bigger part of that healthy breakfast but again it's not the only thing we should be doing.
I do suspect that gun control will take more effort then getting your parents to buy coco puffs though. The analogy should end there though. I'm in favor of gun control not coco puffs after all.
To take the metaphor a bit too far, if you eat everything pictured except the coco puffs, you've still had a balanced breakfast. (In my over-worked metaphor, coco puffs is arming teachers. As I have said in every thread on the subject, I own guns and am in favor of gun control.)