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Cloistered Cleric


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Shadow Lodge

I like many of the Paizo archetypes but this is not one of them.

You give up proficiency in medium armor, shields, and all but five low-power simple weapons. Okay, you think, so this is supposed to be an extra casty support cleric rather than Battle Cleric. But then you get Diminished Spellcasting, losing a spell slot per level AND one of their domains. So they get some pretty neat abilities to make up for this, right? Like the Kensai magus' improved access to fighter feats and ability to act in the surprise round and add Int to AC, Initiative, Crit confirmations, and number of AoO?

Nope. +2 skill ranks per level and all Knowledge as class skills (instead of five of them), Bardic Knowledge, Scribe Scroll (at level 4), and two really situational bonuses for written materials and aid another.

This makes a cleric significantly worse at both melee and casting in exchange for making them a little less horrible as a skill character. So I'm thinking of combining this with the 3.5 variant for an archetype that's more clearly a "non-melee cleric" instead of a "cleric who wishes he were a bard."

1) Drop Diminished Spellcasting
2) Use poor BAB instead of average
3) Cleric gets two domains, but one of these must be the Knowledge domain. The other is chosen from the deity's list.

Otherwise archetype as written. Poor BAB won't come up too much given that this cleric won't be in melee, but it emphasizes the non-melee nature and as noted I think the archetype as written needs a boost anyway and that the loss of any decent melee capacity is enough to balance the skill benefit and bonus Scribe Scroll. Comments would be appreciated.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

Drop the HD to d6 to match the BAB and I think you've got something workable.

Andoran

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

There was a class in the Heroes of Horror book, I'm feeling like it was the Archivist? He was really close to what the Cloistered Cleric should have been like. I don't really know what they were thinking for this one, the Dimished Spellcasting made little sense.


It struck me more as an NPC class than anything. Strictly lesser power level than every other archetype or class for players and it describes a character that doesn't expect to see combat ever.

Shadow Lodge

LazarX wrote:
Drop the HD to d6 to match the BAB and I think you've got something workable.

I was thinking about dropping the HD as well, but I worried that that would make the cloistered cleric very poor at low levels, since it would be a wizard with a sling instead of a light crossbow. Would light armor compensate for that? I've never played a druid who was too soft to heft a decent melee weapon, so I'm not sure how much of a handicap the sling would be.

Ssalarn wrote:
There was a class in the Heroes of Horror book, I'm feeling like it was the Archivist? He was really close to what the Cloistered Cleric should have been like. I don't really know what they were thinking for this one, the Dimished Spellcasting made little sense.

Sounds interesting, but I'm looking for a minor fix to this archetype rather than a new class or even a new archetype. The abilities given aren't bad, just clearly not worth the costs.

Big Lemon wrote:
It struck me more as an NPC class than anything. Strictly lesser power level than every other archetype or class for players and it describes a character that doesn't expect to see combat ever.

That was my first impression, too, but even for an NPC it's uninspiring. A cleric who doesn't expect to see any combat will still want spellcasting for utility and healing. It's one thing to have an archetype with options that are generally less than optimal for a PC, but it's another to have one that's clearly significantly less powerful.


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take a look at the priest

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Weirdo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Drop the HD to d6 to match the BAB and I think you've got something workable.

I was thinking about dropping the HD as well, but I worried that that would make the cloistered cleric very poor at low levels, since it would be a wizard with a sling instead of a light crossbow. Would light armor compensate for that? I've never played a druid who was too soft to heft a decent melee weapon, so I'm not sure how much of a handicap the sling would be.

Like you said yourself, this is a class that avoids combat, and since you're dropping BAB Hit Dice should be dropped to match it.

Shadow Lodge

True enough. But should I then add the light crossbow to the weapons list, or give some other minor benefit to compensate?

The 3rd party priest class that Nicos posted is essentially the 3.5 variant cloistered cleric plus PF channel (enhanced to d8s). Compared to my altered archetype it gets better weapon proficiency, more skills, enhanced channel, and Knowledge as a bonus domain (with a bonus domain spell per day) instead of as a replacement for one domain. All together it feels clearly stronger. I might be tempted to just use it, except that I like the Scribe Scroll and minor writing/aid bonuses from the Paizo archetype.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Weirdo wrote:

True enough. But should I then add the light crossbow to the weapons list, or give some other minor benefit to compensate?

The 3rd party priest class that Nicos posted is essentially the 3.5 variant cloistered cleric plus PF channel (enhanced to d8s). Compared to my altered archetype it gets better weapon proficiency, more skills, enhanced channel, and Knowledge as a bonus domain (with a bonus domain spell per day) instead of as a replacement for one domain. All together it feels clearly stronger. I might be tempted to just use it, except that I like the Scribe Scroll and minor writing/aid bonuses from the Paizo archetype.

I'd go with adding light crossbow to your list.

Shadow Lodge

All right, that sounds workable to me, thanks for the help.


I'm not sure how I feel about dropping the BAB of the class for an archetype, it feels out of place next to every other archetype because none (that I am aware of) do this, unless there's something in one of the campaign setting books that does.

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