Succubus in a grapple.


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Considering the nature of the Metaphysical conundrum we are discussing. It is best we exhaust all positions on the matter before reaching the climax of the debate.


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I'm just glad to see this rising once again.

... it just keeps doing that...


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I read the title as "succubus in a grippli" and wondered why the Hell the grippli was pregnant with a succubus' baby, and if so HOW?!


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Inlaa wrote:
I read the title as "succubus in a grippli" and wondered why the Hell the grippli was pregnant with a succubus' baby, and if so HOW?!

See book: Demons Revisited. The pages on Succubi have the details.

Just don't stare for too long.


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Oddly, in many copies, those pages are sealed.

Sovereign Court

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Don't you mean stuck shut?


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For those of you in this thread who are wondering if this stuff is actually relevant in game. The answer is yes. I inherited a Wrath of the Righteous campaign, and due to player backstories, I replaced one of the mythic fights to fit that player's backstory.

Long story short, the Paladin is now pinned by two mythic succubi bards, the Magus and Bard have been dominated and told to run away, the demon-hating Ranger has already been charmed to be friendly to the harem of succubi, and the Oracle has just gotten out of the cage trap she was teleported into.

The conclusions we went on, it's easy to hand-wave the 'act of passion' requirement when the target has the "pinned" condition. In other cases, it simply requires touch-range, and the act must be one that the target/PC considers to be passionate or intimate.


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-and some stated that this thread would have no relevance!

Ha! The egg is on their face now, isn't it! *cocky pose*

Also, it warms my heart to see that this is still going, four years later.


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And going, and going, and going...


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At this point I don't remember if the original question was ever definitively answered.


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Who cares? It is back again!


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Umbral Reaver wrote:
At this point I don't remember if the original question was ever definitively answered.

It was.

Many, many, many, many times.

Still needs answering, though. Soooooo much answering.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
At this point I don't remember if the original question was ever definitively answered.

It was.

Many, many, many, many times.

Still needs answering, though. Soooooo much answering.

Preferably with rigorous application of the Scientific Method.


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I had a picture of one of us harassing a succubus: «come on, grapple me some more, grapple me, grapple me!»
And the succubus: «I'm tired, we've been here for 6 years, I have a headache, I am sleepy, go grapple a barbed devil instead. This is no longer fun.»
«Oh, come on! Grapple me!»


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Kileanna wrote:
I have a headache,

"But grappling is good for that sort of thing! :D"


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Can a succubus wearing masterwork manacles exercise acts of passion? Does this change if the victim is helpless?


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Tacticslion wrote:
Kileanna wrote:
I have a headache,
"But grappling is good for that sort of thing! :D"

Are we going to discuss the benefits of grappling?


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Sissyl wrote:
Can a succubus wearing masterwork manacles exercise acts of passion? Does this change if the victim is helpless?

Yes.

Yes. ... but no.

Kileanna wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Kileanna wrote:
I have a headache,
"But grappling is good for that sort of thing! :D"
Are we going to discuss the benefits of grappling?

Yes. There are many!

(Note: physical and psychological...!)


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Kileanna wrote:

I had a picture of one of us harassing a succubus: «come on, grapple me some more, grapple me, grapple me!»

And the succubus: «I'm tired, we've been here for 6 years, I have a headache, I am sleepy, go grapple a barbed devil instead. This is no longer fun.»
«Oh, come on! Grapple me!»

Not so funny story, that happened on one of our recent campaigns.


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Oh, that makes it even funnier.


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This thread is the most awesome thing I have ever read!


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It is art and randomness in its most pure state.


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If you carried a Darkskull keyed to Death Ward to avoid the energy drain, how/where would you secure the Darkskull to ensure it's not stripped from you in the grapple?

I'm envisioning a hollow skull worn as a codpiece, personally.


What if - and bear with me, here - what if you tattooed the quotes-"dark skull"-close quotes on your body? Eh? Eeeeehhhhh...?


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Oh, and, relevant to this thread, from here:

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icehawk333 wrote:
ShroudedInLight wrote:
AngryNerdRageDemon wrote:
ShroudedInLight wrote:

Since this has become a thread about Succubi...

Is there actually a way to gain immunity to the level drain from a Succubus to which a living PC has access? I've only ever found temporary solutions and all of them are rather expensive.

Hey! HEY!

You know where that sort of talk goes!

ಠ_ಠ

I do, but I'm also dead serious. I know Dhampir's can ignore level drain until it kills them, but is there a manner of gaining complete immunity to level drain?

20th level martial artist is immune to energy drain, off the top of my head.

Death ward gives 1/min a level immunity.
8th level soul wardens subtract 1 from all level drain effects, reducing a succubus's level drain to 0.
ShroudedInLight wrote:

Deathward is a Paladin spell...

Say, do you think a Redeemer Paladin would attempt to redeem a succubus? Asking for a friend.

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ShroudedInLight wrote:

I swore I was done. I'm no longer done.

So as a 13th level paladin, 4*13*2000 is 104,000 gold for a continious magic item that grants Deathward.

Which is only 74% of your total WBL, a leadership suggest for a 13th level character is a Criosphinx which is the same CR as a Succubus.

So I see nothing wrong with a 13th level Redeemer Paladin with permanent deathward and a Succubus cohort as his companion.

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Tim Statler wrote:
Tim Statler wrote:
ShroudedInLight wrote:

Since this has become a thread about Succubi...

Is there actually a way to gain immunity to the level drain from a Succubus to which a living PC has access? I've only ever found temporary solutions and all of them are rather expensive.

A Pharasman Souls Domain Cleric's 8th level power allows all within 30 feet of the cleric to ignore negative energy and level drain effects.

But only for their level in rounds.

Here is the info:

d20pfsrd.com wrote:


Ward Against Death (Su): At 8th level, you can emit a 30-foot aura that wards against death for a number of rounds per day equal to your cleric level. Living creatures in this area are immune to all death effects, energy drain, and effects that cause negative levels. This ward does not remove negative levels that a creature has already gained, but the negative levels have no effect while the creature is inside the warded area. These rounds do not need to be consecutive.

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W00t~!


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True adventurers seek out a Brijidine in a grapple for some extra hot lovin'.


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I've always said it: Marilith in a grapple is the future.
Gylou in a grapple if you are into more... lawful... stuff.


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Plausible Pseudonym wrote:
True adventurers seek out a Brijidine in a grapple for some extra hot lovin'.

Just make sure you use protection. Preferably high level protection from energy because that 6d6 fire damage in a "grapple" is brutal.

If you feel a burning sensation at any time during your "grapple" please see your party cleric immediately as this can be a sign of a life threatening condition.


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Peris are an acceptable substitute if you like platinum blondes.


Also relevant:

ShroudedInLight wrote:

I realized I am equally bad at Math, the magic item would cost 72000, I forgot Paladin's had Caster level -4 for a moment.

If the Paladin chose to craft the non-chastity belt him/herself it would cost half of that.

ShroudedInLight wrote:

I mean, if you're gonna grapple a Succubus you gotta do it right. Awesome Blow, Quick Draw, Barrage of Style, Catch Off Guard, Choke Hold, Clinging Climber, Concentrated Splash, Drag Down, Grabbing Style, Hard Headed, Jaguar Pounce, Juggle Load, Let Them Come, Lunge, Mud In Your Eye, Natural Jouster, Open Up, Pin Down, Press to the Wall, Seize Advantage, Under and Over, and of course Vulpine Pounce.

The usual grappling feats >_>


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I told my players point-blank before a session, going forward, if they giggle, snicker, or otherwise make suggestive comments or innuendo concerning their characters current actions involving a succubus; it will count as an act of passion for their Energy Drain ability. It cuts down on the already excessive level of color commentary, as well as the pesky risk of alignment shifting. The Paladin tank already sees grappling succubi as a valid method of keeping them from attacking the party.

Sissyl wrote:
Can a succubus wearing masterwork manacles exercise acts of passion? Does this change if the victim is helpless?

As a bottom or submissive, no. The rules on their energy drain explicitly state "An unwilling victim must be grappled before the succubus can use this ability." If they are the Top or Dominant, they will require a Conductive weapon(whip, flail, flogger, etc) in order to use the drain without directly contacting the bottom/submissive.

As a 2-time GM of Wrath of the Righteous(a succubus-heavy campaign), I would rule a helpless victim will be a valid target for Energy Drain, as they would be unable to fight back, in the same way a succubus is required to grapple or pin the target.

ShroudedInLight wrote:

Deathward is a Paladin spell...

Say, do you think a Redeemer Paladin would attempt to redeem a succubus? Asking for a friend.

Yes, if the succubus has demonstrated the possibility of redemption. WotR has that as a major plot point in it, as well as the repeated occurrence of other potentially redeemable succubi.


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If the creature is willing, the manacles may just be part of the experience.


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The spirit is weak, but the flesh is willing?

Silver Crusade

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That's why you don't dump CON.


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It's also exactly why I DO dump WIS. Who needs a will when you can just go with the flow?

Silver Crusade

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Perception so you can appreciate all the fine details and sounds.


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And a High INT so you can remember the encounter many years down the road.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
And a High INT so you can remember the encounter many years down the road.

INT only gets better with age


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Well, you do tend to get more HD with age, so... that means grapples would last longer, too!


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If a grapple last more than 4 hours, consult a high level cleric.


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If a grapple lasts more than 2 minutes, you've very impressive... power...!


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Don't die on me, thread! There is still too much fun we can have together!


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Tacticslion wrote:
And going, and going, and going...

It has a solid stamina.


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Kileanna wrote:
Don't die on me, thread! There is still too much fun we can have together!

Don't worry, it can't die, after all,

Vidmaster7 wrote:
It has a solid stamina.

!

:D

(Also, it'll always come back, even if it sleeps for a time!)


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Can a monk succubus flurryblow you while grappled with her.... ahem... you know?


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William Werminster wrote:
Can a monk succubus flurryblow you while grappled with her.... ahem... you know?

If you are the one in control of the grapple, she can make use her full-attack action to Flurry-of-blows at -2 to hit.

If she is the one in control of the grapple, she can not as she requires a standard action to maintain the grapple and Flurry-of-blows requires a full-attack.


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Thanks CrimsonVixen, you made my day by making this thead come to life again.


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A Succubus in a grapple will want to look at the upcoming Legacy of the First World player companion.

It introduces Suffocating Grip (Greater) rage powers that prevent the target of your grapple from speaking, good for discipline. There's also a Deepwater Rager barbarian archetype, for Succubi who want to use this and also aren't afraid to get wet, or, one presumes, muddy.


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Do you think any succubus wouldn't already have a way to prevent you from speaking? *Wink*


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I bet she always wants the upper hand for a nice +1 to attack rolls.

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