What is your PFO Dream?


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Waruko wrote:
I highly doubt that.

I'm guessing you haven't watched Deadwood, then :)

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In all seriousness, I am excited to see PVP wars play out with good meaning behind their formation and resolution.

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Nihimon wrote:
Waruko wrote:
I highly doubt that.
I'm guessing you haven't watched Deadwood, then :)

I find your lack of faith disturbing. I learned from the best.

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@Nihimon: Yeah, after reading up on him, he seems about what I'm saying. An evil guy who makes investments in a town to further profit, in a manner that makes him a pillar of the community. (The main reason that I dislike the alignment restriction of settlements, actually- removes an entire swath of character concepts... *shakes head slowly*).

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@Waruko, I have no idea what that link is all about. I'm only referring to the single most common epithet used in Deadwood, and the fact that it's inappropriate for these forums. I took your "I highly doubt that" comment to be doubting whether or not that term is appropriate for these forums.

Something is making me feel like I'm not understanding you.

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Don't worry you reached the intended destination.

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I only really wish for two things: to see Psionics in PFO and that Half-Orcs are available to play at launch (if the crowdforging thread is any indication, people aren't really interested in seeing half-orcs or half-elves).

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The-Mage-King wrote:
@Nihimon: Yeah, after reading up on him, he seems about what I'm saying. An evil guy who makes investments in a town to further profit, in a manner that makes him a pillar of the community. (The main reason that I dislike the alignment restriction of settlements, actually- removes an entire swath of character concepts... *shakes head slowly*).

An evil pillar of community? Sounds clearly Lawful Evil to me. You could join a Lawful Neutral town and hobnob with those Paladins all day (even though they'll dislike you). If the Paladins didn't want to see you, they'd go to a Lawful Good town.

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Drakhan Valane wrote:
An evil pillar of community? Sounds clearly Lawful Evil to me. You could join a Lawful Neutral town and hobnob with those Paladins all day (even though they'll dislike you). If the Paladins didn't want to see you, they'd go to a Lawful Good town.

More NE, IMO.

Again, I think this is one of those playgroup/forum culture differences showing through.

Regardless, I still say there should be towns open for anyone, regardless of alignment, but restricted by reputation. Makes far more sense.

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The-Mage-King wrote:
Drakhan Valane wrote:
An evil pillar of community? Sounds clearly Lawful Evil to me. You could join a Lawful Neutral town and hobnob with those Paladins all day (even though they'll dislike you). If the Paladins didn't want to see you, they'd go to a Lawful Good town.

More NE, IMO.

Again, I think this is one of those playgroup/forum culture differences showing through.

Regardless, I still say there should be towns open for anyone, regardless of alignment, but restricted by reputation. Makes far more sense.

It's not Neutral Evil at all! If you're actively helping out your community, you're being lawful. You have to be a passive member of the community (through lack of care or balancing lawful/chaotic acts) to be Neutral. Chaotic societies are ones that stick together mainly due to convenience. They have no real structure and generally keep out of each others ways. And when we're talking Fantasy RPG alignment, this is something that isn't up to much interpretation.

Ryan Dancey wrote:
In a world where alignment is meaningfully absolute and there is magic that can detect it, there are issues of security and trust which are therefore deeply impacted as well. Knowing where one's companions stand on the alignment graph is important. On the other hand, where would we be without espionage, betrayal and sabotage? A way to obfuscate or mislead others about one's alignment is a necessity. The cat-and-mouse game of alignment detection will be at the heart of many intrigues.

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Waruko wrote:
The-Mage-King wrote:
Also, "Evil" characters not automatically as the villains. You can be evil while still being an upstanding member of society, after all.
So how does one become evil again?

Healthy evil ruthlessly removes the cancer from society. Society may not appreciate the painful process, but is better off for it nonetheless.

Unhealthy evil is the cancer.

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Well, within the confines of PFO, at least one way of becoming evil without getting your hands dirty: Assassination Contracts. Putting a hit on someone has been declared to be evil. I'm sure other ways will arise.

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Harrison wrote:
I only really wish for two things: to see Psionics in PFO and that Half-Orcs are available to play at launch (if the crowdforging thread is any indication, people aren't really interested in seeing half-orcs or half-elves).

Well I can only half agree with you on this one.

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See, if gnomes were already in, I could easily vote for Half-Elves to be added.

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I bet they all get in at some point. Maybe they will be races you can buy via a microtransaction. I bet some archetype paths are the same way.

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Harrison wrote:
I only really wish for two things: to see Psionics in PFO and that Half-Orcs are available to play at launch (if the crowdforging thread is any indication, people aren't really interested in seeing half-orcs or half-elves).

Half orcs, half elves and gnomes. That's what I play so Im just voting for the one that can win.

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Tetrix wrote:
I bet they all get in at some point. Maybe they will be races you can buy via a microtransaction. I bet some archetype paths are the same way.

I hope they don't go this route, but if they do, hopefully those of us with subscriptions will have access to all game content like races/classes without having to go with microtransactions.

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Banesama wrote:
Tetrix wrote:
I bet they all get in at some point. Maybe they will be races you can buy via a microtransaction. I bet some archetype paths are the same way.
I hope they don't go this route, but if they do, hopefully those of us with subscriptions will have access to all game content like races/classes without having to go with microtransactions.

My guess is that they would give us so many tokens each month to use in the GW store... or something.

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I'm pretty sure Mr. Dancey specifically said he did not want to go that route. I think once they're done, they'll be added for everyone.

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Drakhan Valane wrote:
I'm pretty sure Mr. Dancey specifically said he did not want to go that route. I think once they're done, they'll be added for everyone.

Ahh, I didnt know that. Hmm I am not sure if this is a good thing or not.

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Blaeringr wrote:
Waruko wrote:
The-Mage-King wrote:
Also, "Evil" characters not automatically as the villains. You can be evil while still being an upstanding member of society, after all.
So how does one become evil again?

Healthy evil ruthlessly removes the cancer from society. Society may not appreciate the painful process, but is better off for it nonetheless.

Unhealthy evil is the cancer.

What a load of smurf.

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Hey watch you smurfing language!

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Smurf all that papasmurfin' noise.

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Tetrix wrote:
Harrison wrote:
I only really wish for two things: to see Psionics in PFO and that Half-Orcs are available to play at launch (if the crowdforging thread is any indication, people aren't really interested in seeing half-orcs or half-elves).
Well I can only half agree with you on this one.

I hope that is limited to assassinations without justification. Having someone killed who robbed you sounds right and proper.

On an unrelated note, I do hope they examine assassins being evil. I think there is confusion between assassinating, and championing for someone. You can have good assassins, they kill for noble purpose. That should make them chaotic, not evil.

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Malarious wrote:
On an unrelated note, I do hope they examine assassins being evil. I think there is confusion between assassinating, and championing for someone. You can have good assassins, they kill for noble purpose. That should make them chaotic, not evil.

An executioner may remain lawful, but should still shift toward evil if their target still rates as 'good'.

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Well, they'd go to Lawful Neutral if they kill solely based on the law. LN cares only that the law is carried out, regardless of intention. That's a prescribed job within the confines of legality, however. "Assassinating" evil before it causes harm would likely be neutral at least, often chaotic.

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IronVanguard wrote:
Well, they'd go to Lawful Neutral if they kill solely based on the law. LN cares only that the law is carried out, regardless of intention. That's a prescribed job within the confines of legality, however. "Assassinating" evil before it causes harm would likely be neutral at least, often chaotic.

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LN cares that their sense of justice/honor is carried out, which is not necessarily the law's itself.

See here.

Really, people should reread that whenever they get the desire to talk alignments. It's clear up a large number of the annoyances...

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Not all beings that are Lawful Neutral will be like I said, but all such executioners would be Lawful, and probably Neutral unless something pushed them into evil territory. Someone who always follows the law to the letter is lawful.

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Malarious wrote:
Tetrix wrote:
Harrison wrote:
I only really wish for two things: to see Psionics in PFO and that Half-Orcs are available to play at launch (if the crowdforging thread is any indication, people aren't really interested in seeing half-orcs or half-elves).
Well I can only half agree with you on this one.

I hope that is limited to assassinations without justification. Having someone killed who robbed you sounds right and proper.

On an unrelated note, I do hope they examine assassins being evil. I think there is confusion between assassinating, and championing for someone. You can have good assassins, they kill for noble purpose. That should make them chaotic, not evil.

The way I understand it, in PFO assassination is an evil act--you're murdering someone, and so your actions are aligned with certain divine (i.e. infernal) powers. Bounty-hunting however, which involves judgement and justice, is aligned with certain good divine powers.

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IronVanguard wrote:
Not all beings that are Lawful Neutral will be like I said, but all such executioners would be Lawful, and probably Neutral unless something pushed them into evil territory. Someone who always follows the law to the letter is lawful.

Some who always follows a set of laws is lawful, not necessarily the laws of the land.

Monks, for example, must be lawful primarily because the orders that train them have very strict codes.


What would be the alignment of a Gray Gardener in PFO?

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Keep in mind that by Pathfinder rules Assassins are required to be Evil.

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Drakhan Valane wrote:
Keep in mind that by Pathfinder rules Assassins are required to be Evil.

Keep in mind that by Pathfinder rules, darkwood bucklers are not actually bucklers, but light shields.

The prestige class "Assassin" is not the only way to be an assassin by deed. Joining that PrC means joining a specific type of cult which has, as one of its entry requirements, the killing of someone for no reason other than being admitted into the cult. Ninja are just Asian-styled assassins, and not required to be evil.

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I'm just providing reasoning for why the devs have declared assassinations to be evil.

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DRINK AND FIGHT!!
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/277/e/a/Cayden_Cailean_by_nJoo.jpg
(going back to the dream theme)

I want to play my character as a cleric of Cayden Cailean.
I want to adventure, perform daring deeds and campaign against oppression.
Then go back to the pub with my pals an regale them with (only slightly inflated) tales of our grandeur.
And of course make good coin along the way.

Mayhaps help found a guild with similar goals and taste in RPing followers of the Drunken Hero.

I want to open my own bar and brewery. To make a ale famed across all the River Kingdoms.
It would be in high demand because I would craft healing potions into all my best brew. ;)
I my inn would be a hot spot for all who love life's simple pleasures. A destination for new players to reach because they know they'll be welcomed into a group out to enjoy life and make coin along the way.

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Kazz Squil wrote:

I want to adventure, perform daring deeds and campaign against oppression.

Then go back to the pub with my pals an regale them with (only slightly inflated) tales of our grandeur.
And of course make good coin along the way.

Ah! A brother in arms! May the Gods send us three things neverending: Enemies to fight, ale to drink, and women to woo!

~Dictated by Warden of Steel Hroderich Gottfrei to Gromovoii Malchikh, Keeper of Crystal (with much sighing and eye-rolling)

Liberty's Edge

to be a mighty wizard with my own tower where I can conduct research into arcane matters.

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I would be wise, and called upon when needed.

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Grumpy-Mcfart wrote:
to be a mighty wizard with my own tower where I can conduct research into arcane matters.

That's a primary goal for me too. Aren't you listed as a member of The Empyrean Order? One of our sub-guilds, the Azure Astra Arcanum, would be perfect for that.

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My dream is quite simple really.

I want to be the first guy people think of when they need stuff moved. When people think of moving house what's the first name they think of? Uhaul. I want to be Uhaul in PFO.

Did you just slay that dragon (or hear about someone else going to slay it. ;) ) and have a huge horde to move? Well who wants to make lots of trips when you can just call me! (I haven't decided on an in game name yet so *Shrugs*) Getting ready to do a big market event? Who better to get your stuff there than me?

Has your nation declared war and laid siege to the next nation over? Well how else you moving all that siege equipment than if you don't call me?

The key interesting bit will be how to haul all this stuff without getting killed. Knowing how to get things past customs. Getting to know the movers and shakers in every town so I can do business anywhere and everywhere. If it needs moved and you have the coin I want to be your guy. :)

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Keovar wrote:
Grumpy-Mcfart wrote:
to be a mighty wizard with my own tower where I can conduct research into arcane matters.
That's a primary goal for me too. Aren't you listed as a member of The Empyrean Order? One of our sub-guilds, the Azure Astra Arcanum, would be perfect for that.

so it would (I've been gone since before there was an "Azure Astra Arcanum")

I just registered!

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One day I will claim my place among the lords of PFO by claiming a small bit of land where only my closest confidants will be allowed to tread. Behind the stone walls of Skytalon Keep, my men and I will wait to be contracted by the populace and revered as renowned monster hunters. This has been a dream of mine for many years in Pathfinder...carve out a little slice of the world and go to town on its denizens! Train warriors to handle the big threats that will inevitably come! Tell tales of the day's valor in the taverns created by real people!

Gosh I keep throwing money at the screen but nothing happens... :(

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To have alchemists as a playable class (eventually).

Or to have a necromancer that specializes in using the undead in constructive manners. Summonings skeletons for people to train against or to maybe beef up their ranks for that treacherous cargo run through the Bandit Lands. Reuniniting people with their long deceased loved ones. Just a friendly neighborhood necromancer.

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Ideally I would like to have a small operation to train vanity pets and mounts, or even dogs bred for war. I’m not sure that this will be in game at any point but, I would love to be the guy to go to for anything from cute little hoping frogs to massive war horses whose hooves shatter the bones of my clients enemies.

If that’s not in possible in game, I would be perfectly happy just scouting around the river kingdoms looking for dungeons, ore, and fellow players to help out, whether in PVP or with simple advice. I’m really not hard to please.

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