Daily Deals at 5+100 level?

[Mavrickindigo]

Ok I made a therad earlier asking how I get the dungeon book and people said I had to pay at least 5 then add 100 to my order

do I get daily deals if I do that? Or do I need to do 35 plus 100? I'm just curious. I don't really plan to give this 135 dollars

[Psyblade]

you need $35 for the daily deals, then add $100 for the book

Quote:

Daily Deals Start Sunday!

The Daily Deal program we announced yesterday begins on Sunday! You must be a backer at least at the $35 Adventurer level to get the Daily Deals added to your account. Don't delay - complete sets of these items will likely be very valuable, and you only get the Daily Deals starting on the day you back the project! (All existing qualified Backers automatically get the Daily Deals, and Crowdforger Alpha backers get the Daily Deals regardless of when they pledge).

[Mavrickindigo]

I feel the daily deal thing is counter-intuiative. I'm gambling 30 bucks on content I'm not sure I want, because they won't reveal them until its too late to get them. Bad move, Paizo. Bad Move.

[Psyblade]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

I feel the daily deal thing is counter-intuiative. I'm gambling 30 bucks on content I'm not sure I want, because they won't reveal them until its too late to get them. Bad move, Paizo. Bad Move.

Ehm, if it's content you don't want, sell it and make some good money on the item. They are going to be rare, limited and if people use them while adventuring, will become more rare and thus more valuable.

I would say, win for you (more ingame money) and win for GW (people are interested in it)

[AvenaOats]

You can modify your pledge level at any time, but then you lose the daily deals, so long as you're happy with that, before the campaign ends.

[Ryan Dancey]

@Mavrickindigo - Since you can cancel your pledge at the last moment of the campaign, what is your risk?

[Mavrickindigo]

Oh, is it all ingame content? I'm only interested in Pathfinder supplements and adventures

Eh, I'm no fan of day 1 dlc anyway.

[Ryan Dancey]

@Mavrickindigo - for MMOs, virtually the entire product is DLC.

[Mavrickindigo]

Not exactly a good business model when you're goign for the subscription model.

[Drakhan Valane]

Maverick, no offense intended here, but have you ever played an MMO? They are constantly under development. WoW, the king of the current MMO style, did not start with all the content you see now. It has taken 8 years to get to this point. All Mr. Dancey means is you don't buy any MMO and get all the content up front. Even with Guild Wars 2 where they only actually charge you up front (aside from Gems that you can get entirely through playing if you like instead of purchasing them) and yet they still are constantly producing more content. Guild Halls aren't in yet, but will be "soon."

[Mavrickindigo]

Updates are one thing, DLC is another. When I think DLC, I think "Pay 5 dollars for horse armor or a sword that looks cool!" not "new content that comes from the profit we've generated"

[Drakhan Valane]

Updates are technically DownLoaded Content. :P

[Mavrickindigo]

Downloadable content is optional additions to a game. Patches and updates can give you new content without being DLC

at least, that's how most companies label it.

[Fredrik]

There are answers to questions that you haven't asked yet; I know, because I wondered and looked. Since I'm such an awesome guy who loves to help people, here they are.

Q: What if I'm already a backer, but wait until later to increase my pledge level to Adventurer or above?

A: "If you are backing the Kickstarter at a level below the $35 Adventurer level and you subsequently increase your pledge, you'll start receiving Daily Deals as of the day of the upgrade, not as of the day you first pledged."

Q: But I've already pledged $105.

A: That isn't a question.

Q: Will I get the Daily Deals?

A: "If you've backed at a level below the $35 Adventurer level and done the $100 RPG Print Pack Add On you will not receive the Daily Deals. Your Reward level is the key to unlocking the Daily Deals, not the amount you have pledged!"

[Tim Statler]

I wonder if the Aldori Dueling Sword will be a daily deal or even in play?

[Inspire This]

I vote for Aldori Dueling Swords. (my favorite) And falcatas (with a buckler, Taldor-style)

[Mavrickindigo]

Man, they seem like jerks to people who already pledged over 100 bucks, don't they?

[Psyblade]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

Man, they seem like jerks to people who already pledged over 100 bucks, don't they?

huh?

[Mavrickindigo]

basically if you've already paid a bunch of money, you'll have to pay even more to get the deals

[Steve Geddes]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

Man, they seem like jerks to people who already pledged over 100 bucks, don't they?

Not if Goblinworks give them what was promised when they made the pledge.

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The way kickstarters evolve can be hard to keep track of, but ultimately it's not always the case that the more you pledge the more you get. There are times (as here) where the rewards 'split'. You can pledge $120 to net you some hardcopies of books for the TTRPG or select other tiers where pledging $100+ gets you nothing but MMO content. The daily deal is to incentivise increasing your base pledge level, not your total amount pledged (at least not directly - even though ultimately that's likely to be the end result).

There's no 'correct' way to style a kickstarter, that's the beauty of it. It's pure negotiation - they make a variety of offers and we accept them or we dont. If they were to offer some ludicrous $10,000 pledge level where all you get is their eternal gratitude that's not jerkish, a ripoff or anything else - it's just not likely to be popular.

[Steve Geddes]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

basically if you've already paid a bunch of money, you'll have to pay even more to get the deals

You're still getting what you pledged for - they're just offering to sell you something else as well.

[Mavrickindigo]

but only if you add more money to your thing, even if you have enough to technically qualify

[JakBlitz]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

but only if you add more money to your thing, even if you have enough to technically qualify

Technically you have to get the $35 Adventurer level to qualify for the daily deals. If you don't want to pledge at least this level before getting add-ons then you don't qualify.

[Steve Geddes]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

but only if you add more money to your thing, even if you have enough to technically qualify

Yeah - they're selling you something extra. You have to pay more for it because you're getting more.

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There's no demand or need to contribute - your original pledge holds it's value, this is just something else you might like to buy if you want. If they just keep adding extras to the base pledge level, all that happens is their margins decline - that might be ok if the goal is just to get lots of product out there (a la the reaper miniatures deal) but not if the goal is to raise capital.

I can see people not wanting to put in extra (it's what I really like about kickstarters - you can experiment with all kinds of crazy incentives without having to take the risk of actually producing stuff which might not fly). I just dont see it as jerkish to provide something else for sale if the original pledge is still just as valuable as when we signed up, that's all.

[Steve Geddes]

JakBlitz wrote:

Mavrickindigo wrote:

but only if you add more money to your thing, even if you have enough to technically qualify

Technically you have to get the $35 Adventurer level to qualify for the daily deals. If you don't want to pledge at least this level before getting add-ons then you don't qualify.

I may be misunderstanding, but I presumed Mavrickindigo's issue was that someone pledging $5 + $100 for the print pack is supporting the product more but missing out on some incentives given to those at the $35 level.

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I think it stems from the assumption that "dollars pledged" is what should be incentivised. Whilst that's probably not an unreasonable assumption in general, in this case (where a significant proportion of the $100 for the print-pack is being eaten up in production costs) it's easy to imagine a scenario where Goblinworks would be hoping to entice people into the $35 pledge level more than they'd be hoping to entice people into the $5+$100 level*. The $35 pledge level also increases their pool of starting players (I dont know much about MMOs but that seems like an obviously desirable goal).

I'd suggest the $5+$100 people think of it as being able to get the daily deals for $30 on top of the player pack of consumables, a month's subscription and an invite to play early on. That's either worth it to the individual or it isnt. But expecting to have it chucked in for nothing is missing the point of what is essentially a capital raising.

(* With the obvious caveat that they'd no doubt be delighted to entice both kinds of 'waverers').

[Fredrik]

@Mavrickindigo: In case the Q&A made them "seem like jerks" to you, I should point out that the only parts that they actually said were the parts in quotation marks (as you can see on the linked page). The rest was just me trying to be funny.

[Nihimon]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

Man, they seem like jerks to people who already pledged over 100 bucks, don't they?

Mavrickindigo wrote:

basically if you've already paid a bunch of money, you'll have to pay even more to get the deals

My $175 pledge on day one automatically qualified me for all the Daily Deals. I would have to pay an extra $100 to get the Print Pack, but that's the only thing I would have to pay extra for.

I really don't know what you're talking about.

[Ryan Dancey]

@All - the in game items require you to be .... in game.

So requiring you to pledge at the lowest level where you get the game is the only thing that makes sense.

[Steve Geddes]

Yeah, that's a good point too. :)