| Lobolusk |
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What action exactly is stunning fist?
say I have orc 1 grappled and susceed on a standard action then I have a free grapple has a move action due to greater grapple? when I decide to deal damage i have to roll can I use my stunning fist.
my main objective is to grapple and then pinning knock out where I do double non lethal damage. when I roll to damage during a grapple.
I guess what I am asking is when during the grapple can i use the stunning fist with out stunning pin.
| StreamOfTheSky |
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You must declare you are using stunning fist before making an attack roll with unarmed strike.
Grappling is an attack roll, as are all combat maneuvers. While RAW you can't treat it as a weapon-based attack, it is an attack and a successful hit deals unarmed damage, so I think stunning fist should be applicable to it, as long as your grapples are doing unarmed damage (ie, not using the grapple check to go for a pin or something rather than laying in muay thai knees).
| Dabbler |
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By RAW, you cannot apply stunning fist through a grapple as it is not an attack roll. However, I'd let you do it as applying a choke-hold or Vulcan neck-pinch etc.
| StreamOfTheSky |
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Grapple is an attack roll. All combat maneuvers are attack rolls. The CM section specifically says this.
The issue is that grapple is not technically an unarmed attack, and thus strict RAW you cannot apply stunning fist to it, even though it a) is an attack and b) can be used to inflict unarmed damage.
I said "should be able to." It makes sense to allow it. By strict RAW, it does not, but strict RAW is silly as hell in many instances and this is one of them, IMO.